2017 Chiefs: FUBAR, Not FUBAR

 

 

 

So, let me ask you a question. In your opinion, are the 2017 Chiefs, FUBAR (Fouled Up Beyond All Reason), or not FUBAR? That appears to be the two camps, if you’re a Chiefs fan these days.

 

Chiefs FUBAR, Not FUBAR?

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Now, if you are under the opinion that only the QB situation is FUBAR with the caveat that a change there would fix things, let us know in the comments section. Or, perhaps you’re a Chiefs fan and are wishing for a coaching change. Perhaps you’d rather answer this catch-all FUBAR poll questionaire.

 

 

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If you’re at all like me, Polls in general don’t provide a way that explains fully how I feel. So, let’s hear it below.

 

 

 

 

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  • HOMER!! Dave

    Haha, I voted twice.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    F.U.B.A.R. doesn’t have the same definition from what I remember though, lol.

  • jimfromkcj

    Well, after checking the last 5 games for each team in the division, I find the Raiders with the hardest schedule and the Chargers with the easyist. Therefore I think the Chargers will win it with a 10 and or a 9 and 7 record while the Chiefs and Raiders will be 8 and 8 with the Raiders winning the tie breaker. The Raiders will finish in the celler at 6 and 10. How do you guys see it? By the way only 4 choices were not near enough to picked all the fubars in the Chiefs org. Also we are big boys and can stand the original wording of FUBAR.

    • berttheclock

      Only one change jim, the Broncos will finish in the cellar. Their experiment with Lynch went south as he injured his ankle, so, they will be forced to bring back Siemian. But, at the moment, the Chargers looks as though they will win the division.

      • jimfromkcj

        Sorry bert, I failed to put the Broncos in the cella. and had the Raiders 2nd and 4th.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    NFL Next Gen Stats tracks something called "aggressive percentage." It tracks the percentage of throws into tight spaces. Alex Smith is tied for the 2nd lowest percentage with CJ Beathard. The next QBs: Hundley, Flacco, Dalton, Tyrod, Fitzpatrick.— Brandon Kiley (@BKSportsTalk) November 27, 2017

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Again, not a surprise, just his MO.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Current QB Situation in a photo. (Stolen from a Facebook friend) @ArrowheadPride pic.twitter.com/pYOlAdLLMu— bradycummings (@bradycummings) November 28, 2017

    • tm1946

      Still got my Gary Spani and Neil Smith… think I will pass on this bunch.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        lol, good call man, good call.

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      After Mahomes first start they will switch tags.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        lol, maybe, just may be.

  • tm1946

    Wish it was this simple…. 2017 is turning into a wasted year and thanks to management and current roster requirements, 2018 may actually be worse. AND there is not a thing the fans, writers, or maybe Clark Hunt can do to stop this snowball from crushing hope for the near future.

    Oh, yeah, I know Mahomes will ride in on a white horse and save the day…. so much crap unless he can play two way… QB bombing like it was the Blitz (for younger fans, what the Germans tried to do to get Britain out of WWII) and edge rusher better than Houston before he got hurt or CB better than Revis and Peters. Draft options stink (yes, we can hate Alex and still get a 1st round pick for him… sure), cap problems are going no where, and we will begin losing tired old veterans and cannot keep those needing big deals to stay.

    But enough doom and gloom…. what you getting for Christmas… ask my wife for a 30 – 35 year old female helper for personal relief… wife said she had to clean and do windows also.

  • Jeff Morton

    The best idea I’ve seen was written by Geoff Schwartz over on FBN. I know some of you think he’s a bit arrogant, and I won’t argue that point. Nevertheless, he suggested going more up tempo/no huddle to try to get AS11 into rhythm. From what I can see, AS11 isn’t trusting his line, isn’t trusting his receivers, is stressed and is playing as such. Maybe getting him out of his own head a little (no huddle) could pay dividends. Otherwise, I think we’re on the outside looking in of the playoffs and have about a #42 pick overall to work with.

    Think we could get as high as 1 2nd rounder for Smith in the offseason?

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      The way Smith has played lately, we would be lucky to get a 5th rounder for him. Let’s hope he/they get this straightened out and finish the season strong, then he might be worth a bit more.

      • Jeff Morton

        I’m not sure exactly what the books will look like when it’s said and done, but I’m assuming Smith won’t be back, nor Ford. Maybe let DJ go. If this all gives some cap relief, KC may have to go after a FA or two until Veach can (hopefully) refill the stable.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          I agree, I hope we let Ford go. Hali needs to go as well.

  • HOMER!! Dave
    • PaulFromNorthMo

      The coolest thing about that vid might be Peters reaction on the sideline.

  • berttheclock

    Yesterday, Laddie in his thread wanted to know how a center gets a false start called on him. The call had been made in the Bills’ game. This focus by NFL refs began last season when Blandino of NFL HQ announced refs were going to pay far more attention to centers moving the ball in some way after their offensive line is set. This has resulted in several calls in NFL games this year. A couple of years back, moving a ball in some fashion by centers prior to the snap was used by many centers and the league office wanted to curtail it.

  • berttheclock

    Why doesn’t Reid call more running plays for Hunt, many have asked. Geez, just call more running plays and VOILA, all will be well. Well, it takes an offensive line capable of opening holes and as yet, the Chiefs have not been able to do it very well in the past few games. The defense by teams facing the Chiefs after the first 5 games has been dedicated to stopping Hunt and Heck’s taught line has not been up to the task.

    Look at last night’s game by the Ravens. They won due to a great defense, but, more importantly, their offensive line opened holes for their RBs. That meant Flacco could take the luxury of not trying to force passes. Winning teams, especially, in the time of the year when the weather turns south rely on great defenses and excellent running attacks. Yes, Alex Smith has been far from his early season games, but, the offensive line is not blocking for running plays. If the Chiefs had a better run blocking o-line and another RB to complement Hunt, no QB trying to lead the Chiefs would have to throw as many passes.

    • berttheclock

      Plus, one other thing about the current Ravens. Harbaugh was the ST coach under Reid in Philly. However, even though he is the HC of the Ravens, his STs are excellent. Check out, if you can, the fake punt and throw by the punter. The punter even checked his progressions. Looked to his right and, then, threw left. That one play turned the tide in the game.

    • jimfromkcj

      bert, I will say for the 100th time. Trade Houston for a 1st and 3rd pick to a team that isn’t in cap trouble such as the Browns or 49ers. The Browns have 2 1sts and 2 2nds next year and might even go for a 1st and a 2nd for Houston. Getting out from under 22 mill and getting 2 picks would go a ways towards solving our off line problem. Trading Berry for picks would solve another problem. DJ and Hali would add to the dead money list, but would free up roster spots for some new blood. On another note, I would switch to a power blocking off line and forget about the zone blocking. I have always thought that zone blocking was started because there wasn’t enough big power linemen to go around and the same with the 34. I remember the Chiefs going to a 34 originally because they didn’ have enough big def linemen to run a 43.

      • freshmeat62

        Sounds like you’re suggesting the same thing I’ve been thinking the last few weeks. Blow it up and start over w/ your new shiny QB, and coaching staff!

      • berttheclock

        Hey jim, I have wanted to ask you a question which is completely off topic. My dad was a conductor on the Eastern Division of the Santa Fe RR and I hired out of HS as a yard fireman in the Argentine yards. For some reason, I never heard anyone in that division ever use the word caboose. They, always, called the unit at the end of road freight trains as a way car. If we had to take a transfer out of the Argentine yards, say, to another RR in Greater KC, we would have a crummy attached.

        • jimfromkcj

          bert, I think it was used in the mid west. We always used the Way car name also. Each car in a train had a bill of lading which the conductor had and they were called way bills, thus the name way car. Each railroad had various ways of doing things and different makes of engines. When I went to work in 1957 the Burlington Was called the Q and we had all wooden way cars which had a coal stove and an ice box and a toilet and two cots. The crews from St Joe and Brookfield stayed in their way cars until they were called for a train. We also had Baldwin switch engines with 4 stacks. I have a picture of one in the old round house that my wife had painted in oils hanging in my computer room. The Santa Fe had Fairbank Morse switch engines. when they sat too long carbon would build up in the stacks and all of a sudden there would be a big explosion and then a big shower of sparks would come out of the stack like a sparkler on 4th of July. Wabash had Lima switch engines which sent up gobs of black smoke when the kicked a car in their yard and could be seen all over NKC. UP had Alco switch engines and could be recognized by their whine caused by some sort of super charger. Those were great days. We got to know the yardmasters of various lines and would tell them our yardmasters had said something about their railroad, called them a wooden axle RR and get a feud going. They would put us in a track and put some cars on top of us and we might make 2 or 3 hours overtime. The next crew they sent to the Q got the same treatment from our Yardmaster. Great while it lasted. Now their are only 3 railroads in town.

      • berttheclock

        As for zone blocking, Chung going to Philly with Pederson is being credited for installing zone blocking and it helping the current Eagles. Perhaps, as you say, it really comes down to the right personnel who can pull it off and if you can’t find enough of the “right stuff”, the power scheme is better over all.

      • tm1946

        Really think Houston would be worth a 1st and 3rd? Unless Dorsey gets another GM job soon, doubt it. With his 8.5 sack (?) so far, he is not exactly even an all pro any more. If you can get it done, would fix some issue if Reid would let rookies play their first year (I know, Hunt plays but not much else and ford did not play for 2 years). Trade Berry, no issue there but until he is healthy again who would give you a football for a guy who cannot play?

        Totally agree with OL…. what ever we call it, our expensive, long contracted OL is probably the worst unit on the team… that is saying a lot with only one CB and a DL that cannot stop the run or pass rush.

      • Every team in the NFL uses zone blocking. Calling plays that go to power is possible, but you have to mix the plays called to the circumstance on the field. That’s missing with Reid’s WCO play-calling. What he is doing is bullshit.

    • freshmeat62

      That has been my theory of building a winner from the beginning. Start w/ a great o-line that can create holes my late grandma could run thru in her walker, and also protect the QB, the QB, and a dominating defense. Keep those 3 areas strong and then find the rest, what I call ‘bells and whistles’, in late rd’s. that’s when you can find the Hills, Hunts, Kelce’s.

      • I have said this each year of the draft since Dorsey started: We should be drafting as big and quick OL-men each year with a high pick, Indicating my view that the trench guys(both sides of the ball actually), is the only way to create offense or defense that moves people. One other thing: the LB corp inside… but hell, then that’s me.

    • scrap this freakin’ offense. Get Al under center. If we can’t block, go old style, get Sherman in the game, use a tight end for blocking. Play action, not west coast good grief. Not trick, not scoobie, just play football. good grief.

    • see above.

    • which makes me question how the hell we got from the top of the heap to the bottom on defense? It’s a quite a bit better. which makes me wonder how the offense went from top to bottom in 6 games. Actually, no it doesn’t make me wonder. I believe I know. Which makes me wonder why Hunt gave Reid +5? And go back and question what was going on internally and who had whose ear. And who really picked Mahomes? (Ides).

  • berttheclock

    After the first five games, one could well argue that many facets of the Chiefs are FUBAR, or even a SNAFU problem or even a TARFU. SNAFU begins with Situation Normal All F………….. Up, TARFU means Totally and Royally F…………. Up. All would apply to the Chiefs.

    Plus, many who served in the US military in the past knows the expression that military intelligence is an oxymoron. Some might say intelligent play calling by Andy Reid is an oxymoron as well. One might even throw Bob Sutton into that category as well.

    Laddie, may well try to clean up the expression by changing the well known meaning of the word beginning with the letter “F”, but, we all know just saying fouled does not really give the proper emphasis to what is truly wrong with the Chiefs.

    • berttheclock

      Considering the myriad of problems facing the Chiefs in the next few weeks, it reminds me of a scene from “Planes, Trains and Automobiles” where the character played by Steve Martin has lost his rental agreement ticket in the slosh and snow of the rental yard next to an airport. He goes up to the ticket counter, in a real mess from falling in the slosh and begins his long gripes to the lady behind the counter. She is played by the same actress who played the school secretary in “Ferris Buehler”. She looks at Martin very sweetly and listens to his diatribe which is laced with the word “F…ing”. Finally, she asks him if he still has his ticket. When, the exasperated Martin says “NO”, she looks at him even more sweetly and simply says, “Then, you’re F…..ed”. The same for the Chiefs this year.

    • LoL. I go with TARFU. and you know where I place the blame.

  • start with the top. Reid has lost this team. They don’t believe. I can often see it on their faces, their play. I am sick of seeing open receivers and no ball goes their way. I am sick of seeing stupid play calling. 3rd and 2 and run wide? If we can’t pound the ball, we can’t get the the chains moved. 2 yards? Good heavens. Shifty plays don’t work when the other team constantly reads Reid.

    There is absolutely no excuse for this team with the talent on both sides of the ball. The Boo’s Sunday were deserved.

    We had one play, where a corner could have hit the WR and prevented a first down and didn’t. When the man fought for another yard and half, he got the chains moved, the CB, too late, realized that it would happen, started to move to knock the receiver back oooh, too late. This whole team is fubar, the skid despite 1 win indicates this. It’s not just one facet of the game. Oh, I see guys really getting after it. Sorensen, Ragland, Pierre-Louis, Parker. like that. But there is an ingredient missing AND I DON’T THINK REID CAN FIX IT.

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    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Not a CB, that was Murray (#21) and I would fine his butt for that crap. Giving up on a play because you think a teammate has it under control. That is weak, nonaggressive football. And that comes down to coaching. HC, DC and DB coaches.

      • Thx… it is as you say… exactly. It is not just that play, but up and down the roster. I am not even going to say that Al Smith isn’t a part of the problem — he is. He is just not seeing and slinging. Which I think is why his passes are off – he is taking a thought and not just doing what he can do. Mahomes though, is not going to be the answer either.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          I have been a Smith supporter, up until toward the end of last year. Smith has always demonstrated a lack of vision on the field, and that just isn’t going to change. Nor is his lack of aggressiveness. I don’t know if he is playing hurt or if his problem is all mental, but he isn’t standing in the pocket and delivering the ball like he did the first 5-6 games. We can blame his O-line and on some of it they are to blame, but if the QB constantly runs without cause and his blockers aren’t prepared for that, then that throws their game off, and Smith has been doing way to much of that. Hells fire, 40 year old Brady stood in his weak pocket Sunday, took at least 8 hits, 1 sack, but still threw 4 TD’s.
          I am in no way saying Smith is the entire problem, but he is supposed to be the leader, the General on the field and good leaders elevate their supporting cast, and that is something AL Smith has never done, IMO.
          Since the bye, our defense has played well enough to easily win both games. But when the offense “plays” a complete half of football and only manages 1 (one) first down, that is f…ing pathetic. Yes the coaching stinks, the play calling is suspect, but the execution is horrendous, and that come down to the person with the ball in his hands, the so called leader of our team.
          Now, after all that crap from me, do I want a change of QB? NO. Not for the remainder of this year. Do I think this team can turn this around? YES. Watching two receivers run into each other trying to catch a pass not withstanding. we are not totally fubar. I am probably wearing bright sunny glasses, but I’m going to say we beat the Jets next weak.

          • you hit the major point: the defense has been “okay”. What I see Al doing is his damnedest to move the chains. Something is going on behind the LoS. Think about his diving attempt to get a first down. But at the same time, he is not slinging the ball to the open receiver. Yes, Al is at fault and no, PM is not the answer for 2017 and I doubt 2018.

            See the play, throw the ball to that receiver. Simple. Al has gone conservative, Reid’s play calling sucks big time. Reid’s leadership is lost. That’s where it starts and ends for me. The players are not up, they are not fired, they don’t believe. They are not leaving their blood, guts and gore on the field of play. It’s that simple for me.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I agree that a number of players appear to not be giving their all. I don’t think the team is lost. I see too many players playing lights out. Ragland had a very good game. Mitchell played well at RCB. Dirty Dan played as good as he can. RNR made some plays. Houston is playing good games even though he isn’t getting sacks. Did you see the one play where Incognito pulled and ran to his right to lead McCoy, Houston stood right there, stopped Incognito in his tracks, then peeled off and made the tackle for a loss. These aren’t examples of quitters. If you want to see quitters, watch a Denver game.

          • No thanks on the Broncs. I have seen enough. Houston needs his opposite. Both need a push of the pocket from the front. Hell, Frank Zombo is making plays outside. Ragland is one of our starting ILBs now. There were times it was Ragland and Pierre-Louis. Ramik Wilson’s play snaps are gone. He is out of favor???? DJ is not himself. RN-R is doing the deed and he needs the snaps up the middle and a bit more strength in the lower body — next season? Probably will be a lot better. Sorsensen is way under rated.

            It’s the ‘missing ingredient’. No fire? you are not going to win. That’s Reid.

            Piss-poor play-calling? That’s Reid.

            Get Al under center, put a man in motion, run play-action. Sling the ball to the guy who is going to break open, fire the freakin’ football. Use Sherman. Use two TE’s. What does it take to use the team’s strengths. Split patterns for hill, throw to him or Kelce over the middle. Where is the simple TE quick slant? Come on. Slant not open, 10 yards deep Hill crossing. Or Robinson who can fight for a contested pass. Run Sherman as a lead blocker. Good grief, Andy, you offense and all it’s baloney isn’t working. Try something different. Simplify and Execute. Good GRIEF!

          • berttheclock

            That was a great play by Houston. He allowed Igconito to come to him, knowing that would force the runner to his outside, then, just dropped back and tackled him. Igconito did the pull the best he could, but, Houston really extended it to the outside. Plus, the way in which he played the LOG, did not allow the runner to cut behind him into a hole.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            What I liked best was the way Houston just stood there and absorbed the intended block. Incognito is probably having nightmares about that one. But it was a great play by Houston.

          • Well, he didn’t just stand there. He used his body to hit and take the blow and still sealed the outside and made the play.

          • berttheclock

            Earlier, igconito made a great pull to his left which opened a hole behind him for the runner, either, Shady or his backup to gain extra yardage. Did you see the difference in running yards between the Bills and the Chiefs? The Bills, using 2 runners, plus, 27 by Taylor, their QB, gained 104 yards. The Chiefs only gained 53 yards with 35 coming from Smith. Hunt does not even have a legit backup runner. West is there because he is great for blocking and can, usually, be used for swing passes. But, without Ware, the Chiefs do not have another runner. Look at the Eagles, at crunch time in the trading time allotted to teams, they went out and stole Ajayi.

          • See the other Hunt and Geoff’s comments — just posted the link

          • mnelson52

            Pederson has built a great team in a short amount of time in Philly. Not sure how much of that is GM and how much is the coach, but the team is strong and the fans in Philly are happy.

          • berttheclock

            One problem playing the Jets this week is, as was the game against the Giants, MetLife is a windy place for any QB to have to throw passes.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            True, but if Smith can get out of his own head, he can handle it.

          • that’s it. He is stopping to think and not slingin’ it to the guy who is or about to be open. That is what’s different.

          • mnelson52

            I agree that it’s 90% mental, but he is showing nothing to make me believe he’s working his way out of it. It all started when he couldn’t beat the Steelers again at home, which was game 6. Since then he’s had no confidence in himself or his team. With the exception of the Raiders game, he has been getting worse each week. He’s to the point now that he cant even score on the defenses that are struggling the most. He threw 1 TD in the last 2 games (screen pass), in 9 quarters of play against pitiful defenses. I believe this season to be lost.
            That is the reason I would change QBs. Smith’s feet are too happy right now for the line to know how or where to block, even though they are part of the problem. His accuracy has fallen, and his vision of the field has always been weak. He’s checked down, ran, been sacked, or thrown it away a lot in his career when someone would be open. I know all QBs do that, just not as often as Alex. I’ve been an Alex supporter as far as him being our best option when we got him, and best on our roster. He’s usually good with a good surrounding cast. Somehow he’s lost that. If this season is lost (and I believe it is), and if PM II is our future (and I believe he is, good or bad), and if he needs time to learn and trust the system (which I think he does) Then I would start him and let the process begin. That’s a lot of ifs but that’s how I see it. I
            might would start Smith Sunday, but if all looks the same, PM II would start my 2nd half and finish the year going in to next year with some experience. If PM II is our starter next year, I would rather see him with 4 or 5 games experience this year than see the Chiefs do 1 and out in the playoffs with no experience (that’s if we eek out a playoff spot). How about a scenario where we bring in PM II and he gets us to the playoffs with a couple of wins there? Haha not likely. I don’t expect him to win. I just want him to have experience instead of next year the 1st game being his 1st game.

          • think Waterman.

          • mnelson52

            Yes, but only Alex had his blown down 10 or 15 yds short. Eli didn’t seem to have that problem. I don’t know if it was a lack of a good spiral, velocity, or something else, but other teams have been going there and stomping the Giants.

          • mnelson52

            If you think 1 1st down in a whole half of football is being pathetic, (which it is) it’s even worse when you realize the defense you just faced gave up over 100 points in their last two games, and averaged giving up over 45 points per game the last 3 games.

  • FUBAR. What if the disagreement in house was Dorsey wanting to go his way in the draft and Reid, who had Hunt’s ear, forced JD to trade down and get Mahomes?

    FUBAR see attached photo, Heir apparent? FIRE REID. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/24224880044adf2c8e9c7b21c83c915640b3b4cbbbabda3969f0a9455415842f.jpg

  • freshmeat62

    I was going to save this until after the season was over, but might as
    well go ahead w/ it now. As far as I’m concerned this season is over
    for the Chiefs. I don’t care if they win another game the rest of the
    year if they don’t have a chance at advancing in the post season, and
    I’m convinced this team doesn’t.

    It’s time to blow this team up
    and start w/ a new coaching staff. If I had my way it would start w/ a
    new owner, as I’m convinced Lil Clark doesn’t know how to find and hire
    winners. He seems to get blinded by the flashy name available at the
    time. Pioli, and Haley, and later Reid. I do believe Dorsey might have
    been able to eventually build a winner, once he learned to control the
    Cap. But he’s now water under the bridge and gone.

    I will throw this sidebar in. Clark’s wife’s name is Tavia. My son, who worked for Clark years ago, liked that name so much that he named his daughter, my granddaughter, Tavia. I like it too! That’s about the only positive I have for Clark.

    I’m tired of
    hearing about how bad it was trading all they did for Mahomes. I didn’t
    agree w/ it originally, but that also is water under the bridge. It’s
    done! Mahomes is what we have, so lets move on and build around him. Personally I think the Chiefs may have the best young QB in either last years or this years draft. But we probably won’t know that for sure for another 10 years.

    This team has some talent, as Mr. Bell stated below, but they have way to many holes for this team to fill in with 1 or 2 years of bandaids.

    The o-line…just plain weak. Other than Houston, the LB’s are lacking, although Ragland looks like a run stopper, but comes off on 3rd downs. Jones and Bailey, when not hurt, are OK on the d-line, but the rest are nothing to write home about. 2 years ago I thought the DB’d could probably turn into a good unit. They, Gaines, White, Murray, were young and looked to have some talent that I thought could develop, but they haven’t. With this pass happy NFL it’s imperative that the secondary be good.

    I would first start by trading all I could of those players I don’t think will be on the team 3 years from now. That is because I think it will take that long to build a young dominating team. Alex Smith probably has some value, and if he can come back these last few games, and play well, that value will probably go up. Peters is another that I believe has value now, although I can see that value going down every week. I think he only has 1 more year on his rookie contract and I don’t believe he is going to be signable by the Chiefs. I think he’s destined for the Raiders regardless of where they are playing. 2 vets I keep because of their fire are Houston and Berry. Also I don’t think they are tradeable because of age, contracts, and injury history. I believe that Hill, Hunt, and Kelce are signed for the next 4 years, so we won’t be losing them to FA before this team can be competitive again.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      I like what you said about Mahomes, love it or hate it, he is the future so we just need to live with it or leave. On the other hand, we know the Hunts are not selling the Chiefs and after Clark just handed Reid a new 5 year contract, Reid isn’t going anywhere either, not unless Mahomes is a complete bust and that may not show for the next 3 years, and that also is all water under the bridge.
      Is the O-line problems Dorseys picks or coaching? I would still like to see a new O-line coach brought in, the OL has been weak for the last 5 years.
      BTW, congrats on Maryville winning the state title!

      • freshmeat62

        Yeaaa Spoofhounds! That’s 4 titles and 2 2nd places in 8 years.

    • tm1946

      Ouch! Hard for most fans to swallow. Probably the only way to fix this mess for the long term. If they went that way… got to consider dumping Houston and Berry, neither is healthy enough to make you believe they would be valuable in 4 years, beside they have big contracts and we could use the spare cash. Also Kelce…. fine TE, bit of a head case… worth it or not?

      • freshmeat62

        I doubt they’re tradeable, and I see no reason to dump Houston or Berry as long as they would have dead money. They seem to be 2 of the few on the team that give a damn. Yeah Kelce is a bit of a headcase, but seems to be maturing, so I keep him.

  • oh. The Chiefs waived Ross Travis. No replacement on the Roster yet. Who are they going to sign is my question. Why Travis anyway? We don’t use a 3 TE set any more. Oh. aside. Harris made plays in this loss.

    • berttheclock

      Two other questions for Reid. Yes, you decided to get rid of 3 TE sets, but, now, you rarely use any motion and you don’t use play action very often. Now, Smith is not Steve Deberg, who was the master of sleight of hand with a football, but, he did try a sort of play action on the TD pass to Wilson.

      • Jeff Morton

        It’s like Reid has totally thrown out the playbook with which he started the beginning of the year.

    • I commented below on runs wide. Schwartz backs up my view of that. It’s a worthy analysis and end result is he sees multiple issues, he calls out Reid and lack of adjustments in play-calling. Reid to be successful, needs to get out of that or the Chiefs won’t get anywhere. If they don’t win all the rest of the games, and get on a roll? No reason for post-season. Go for getting better in th pick order, trade back for another pick. Relieve the roster of players — time for DJ to retire for example. Time for Hali too.

      Oh. Fire Reid at end of season.

  • berttheclock

    Karma that the O-line of the Bills was coached by the same fellow, Juan Castillo, who Andy Reid threw under the bus in Philly, then, tried to get him to come to KC with him to coach KC’s O-line. Castillo refused and Reid had to hire Heck who had been with the Jags.

  • berttheclock

    Speaking of playing the Jets this week, they will be coached by Todd Bowles, who spent a full year with Reid in Philly. Last week, it was Andy Reid coaching against 3 former assistants. Sean McDermott, Juan Castillo and David Culley, who left because he wanted a spring board to become a HC and ended up being the QB coach for the Bills.

    • another point eh? QB. Mahomes was an off-the-cuff spread offense gun-slinger. That does not translate to the NFL. He won’t be ready to have discipline for the NFL, I don’t believe, for another year or two. And as I think on it, he is the wrong choice for the Chiefs from the outset. Which takes me circular, back to the draft.

      • berttheclock

        Seth Kysor at AP wrote a long thread yesterday which included GIFs of Mahomes II in 2015 throwing 4 TD passes against LSU. He thought it showed what he could do in the NFL as LSU ahd many players on that team headed to the NFL (BTW, LSU has become LB U. for future LB stars in the NFL). But, he did not mention the facts that Mahomes Ii had to throw 56 passes and only completed 28 with an average per pass of 6.6 yards and one INT. Two of his TDs came in the 2nd half when LSU was blowing TT out of their own field. 3 TDs went to the current return star of the Miami Dolphins, the five six, Jakeem Grant. Grant was available for Dorsey to select as a kick returner when he drafted D J White a few picks earlier in 2016.

        • My point on PM exactly. It takes time to learn discipline in the pocket. I would go for LSU defense guys in the draft. LBs are the best example. OL? That’s a more difficult problem. I have to say though, PM was not on my radar as a pick at all in round 1 and you provide the reasoning. But then I may be wrong about AL Smith too. ๐Ÿ™‚

          • berttheclock

            Funny thing is the DB who picked off Alex Smith late in the game was both a LSU grad, plus, he went to the Bills at 27 last spring.

          • so the Chiefs traded away the pick that was used to get the player who ended KC’s drive.

          • berttheclock

            Karma.

          • incidentally, going over and coming back here to seattle Sun Nit, Monday, some really nasty weather, snow and such at 2500 ft. Made part of the drive, difficult shall I say.

    • So then: Was the 2017 draft indicative of a Dorsey Draft? It wasn’t. It was out of character. It was so out of character, I am circular back to the internecine interenals that came in that month and a few days leading up to 4-27.

      • berttheclock

        Also, out of character was the fact Dorsey appeared to go into a type of Pioli sleep mode late in the draft. Case in point was his taking McQuay III and leaving Adrian Colbert, an excellent safety and CB from both Texas and Miami of Florida for the Niners. Mayock had spotted Colbert earlier and Ryan Tracy of AA wrote a strong thread saying he thought Colbert would really fit Sutton’s schemes. Colbert had played safety at Texas before transferring to Miami where he switched to corner. Lynch of the Niners has been strongly considering starting him at safety and moving Jimmy Ward over to corner.

        • yah. That one was a big reach altogether. Someone was going with NFL family heritage I guess. I have no prob with Hunt at all. I really don’t dislike Eligwe or Kpass. Trading down as we did, is what I believe to be a huge error.

          • berttheclock

            One of the reasons I really liked Dorsey was his ability to mine Gold out of the lower rounds. I had seen Pioli go to sleep following the earlier rounds. Best case in point is when he had two nearly back to back picks in the 5th round and took both Stanzi and Gabe Miller, which allowed Richard Sherman to be plucked by the Seahawks. There were at least 3 others taken after Miller who ended up making NFL rosters. Only late pick by Pioli was Succop. What I like about finding gems in the lower rounds is the money factor of much smaller first contracts, especially, if your GM is giving up Big Bucks up top.

          • He may have done with two of the picks as noted. Far better to trade back, get an extra 2nd round pick, then trade up to get rid of picks where you can, mine the pocket of hidden talent. I believe going that way? The Chiefs could have obtained 3 starter quality players for defense, a late round back up QB, still gotten Hunt and maybe have added a Trench guy in the process. You give me 2 2nd round picks, would have been able to get my ILB and CB, like that. And gone from there.

          • berttheclock

            The GM of the Vikings has a solid rep for finding talent in UDFAs. Best case in point is Thielen.

          • What a great signing that was.

          • berttheclock

            Plus, he was cut the last of training camp and passed through waivers.

          • which goes to a question a couple of days ago you posed: Which GM: Roseman or Spielman.

  • berttheclock

    Early Sunday, we were talking, well with Helios, about Lynch saying he was not going to play Garropolo this season, but, use him to back up Beatherd. However, a strange thing happened. A hit by Seattle’s defense put Beatherd out of the game. Garropolo came in in what essentially was garbage time and threw a 10 yard TD pass. That will stir the fans of the Niners, eh?

    • berttheclock

      BTW, players for the Niners did not like the fact fans of the Niners cheered when Beatherd had to leave the game and Garropolo came onto the field.

  • berttheclock

    All of the talk below about blowing up the team and the coaching staff reminds me of the famous quote from a US military officer in the Viet Nam war that he had to blow up a town so he could save it.

    • some irony. I think that is really the wrong answer. After the season? yeah, I see some major changes in player personnel. Hunt won’t fire Reid and we will go thru it again. Some will say Al Smith is gone. I guess I can see it but then you are 2 years way, so 2020, before Mahomes gets it. I can see DJ as a coach. Hali should go. He is still basically PUP as far as I can see. Ware back with Hunt and we are solid. West, Gaines and DAT go. Zombo maybe, keeping Sherman isn’t helping the offense. OTOH, Toub needs the latter 2. But even that across the board? Isn’t enough if Reid stays.

      • berttheclock

        Thanks for chatting, David. I’m off on errands. So, until that time, until that time.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    YAY!!! MOAR Fun!!

    Who has two thumbs and canโ€™t beat a Cover 2 defense?! THIS GUY! pic.twitter.com/GYW3B6t9uu— ChiefsJayhawksRoyals (@CJR16255) November 28, 2017

  • HOMER!! Dave

    3rd passing play in and it's a bloodbath, guys. Play call works to perfection, sucking down the corner and leaving Robinson wide open under the S… and Alex overthrows him. Levels concept designed to beat zone, execution killed it. pic.twitter.com/qjsZySj6KI— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) November 28, 2017

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      You just have to keep reminding us, son’t you!!!

      • HOMER!! Dave

        hehe, yes I do. The thing that kills me is that people are attempting to lay the lion’s share of fault at Reid’s feet. I do think Reid deserves a TON of culpability in regards to what is happening with the offense but I, and so many others, are seeing play after play where Reid’s scheming is getting guys open.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          If you recall, I have commented on this last year and maybe the year before. Smith’s lack of vision, especially when chased by ghosts.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            Nope, I remember you saying as much last season.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Chiefs promote TE Orson Charles from practice squad to fill Ross Travis' spot. Charles looked like an improved blocker during training camp. Team could really use a strong blocking TE.— Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) November 28, 2017

    • tm1946

      Reid’s re-enforcements are literally pouring in…. Revis and Charles…. Jets are shaking in their boots.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        I know I am.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          LOL!

        • mnelson52

          Yes. We’ll be scaring them on both sides of the ball.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      The above gif of Fisher explains that.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        Orsen Charles to LG?

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          OC to assist LT!

          • HOMER!! Dave

            I LUVS it, it’s groundbreaking stuff right there.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I saw one yesterday where Sherman whiffed on a chip. Fishers side.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            very unSherman-like!

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Alex Smith is actively sabotaging Demarcus Robinson's career. He's open again here and Smith is just passing gas in the pocket. WTF #Chiefs #BenchAlex pic.twitter.com/w7w5MOq6iC— Clay Wendler (@ClayWendler) November 28, 2017

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Let’s be fair about this, I don’t think Robinson was drafted to spend his career not getting thrown to by AS11.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        lol, no, more than likely Robinson was drafted to catch balls thrown at him and such but I would like to think he was brought in to contribute before 2018.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          He is man, he’s learning the routes. Upside!

          • HOMER!! Dave

            Dilly Dilly!!

    • mnelson52

      I think Alex is sabotaging the position. I watched Conley get open a lot also. Maybe not that wide open much, but then again nobody gets that open often. Of coarse not just any QB would avoid looking that way. It’s also strange that sometimes Smith seems to be looking downfield but with no vision, or maybe it’s just no intent to throw.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    This is just unacceptable line play. I've seen Fisher lose in identical fashion several times lately, though he may have expected help from Fulton inside. Either way, no chance for Alex here. pic.twitter.com/ygInI3xcIr— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) November 28, 2017

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Well, to be fair, Fisher gets beat on the outside speed rush too! Another Dorsey blunder, paying this guy the way he did.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        absolutely zero argument here over THAT one! Just why Dorsey decided to pay Fisher top 10 LT money to be a mid-tier guy is beyond me.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          I’m not sure he’s mid tier at this point, but to be fair to Dorsey, in a couple years, Fisher will paid below average.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            at the time of the contract being stamped wasn’t Fisher like top 5 or something? The contract will depreciate in comparison to the rest of today’s LT signings but I’m not sure if it will ever be considered a good one.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            This is true. Unfortunately.

    • jimfromkcj

      Why did he line up so far out leaving such a gap and Schwartz chicken fought with his man rather than make contact and riding him past the QB. Fulton and Morse double teamed the NT which I can’t see being done on a passing play.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    More on Revis deal: He'd have $9.815 million fully guaranteed for 2018 if he's on roster on 5th day of league year in March. $8.8M is structured as per-game roster bonuses, so he'd count <$4M on 2018 cap because of limited games in 2017. $185K workout bonus gets him to $10M. https://t.co/efiDsusD2f— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) November 28, 2017

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      I honestly hope he’s worth it.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        1 year, or 2 years is the question. The age scares me greatly for cash like that in 2018.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          Can a 34 year old Revis be worse than a 25 year old Gaines? I think I will take my chances with the Island, no matter how small it still is. At least with Revis, we have a teacher and support for the other DB’s. Think about 2018 with Revis, Peters, Berry and Parker as our backfield.

          • ladner morse

            Revis is 32. I’ll take Revis over Gaines when Revis is 65 and Gaines is 25.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            might want Emmitt Thomas to suit up then.

          • ladner morse

            lol……

          • HOMER!! Dave

            well, the reason being that Thomas is still on contract….and also better than Gaines, lol.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            My bad, but better yet.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            such a slippery slope, Revis might be an upgrade today, but falling off the edge happens to every player sooner or later. The last thing I want to see is another CB getting burned every play a la Jamell Flemming. I do like Revis as a stop gap but I’m still not sure as to why Mitchell was sidelined.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            We’ll probably never know the whole truth to that. Mitchell played well Sunday. Maybe just to see if Acker or Gaines is worth hanging onto. I think you’re right about Revis being a stopgap, we just need to get a guy drafted and ready while Revis can still play. On the other hand, Newman is doing a darn good job at 39.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            Newman, I always forget about that guy. My bad.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I remember him playing at K-State. Man that guy could fly!

        • mnelson52

          Age is a problem. We’ve seen the production fall off on DJ, Hali, and for now, Smith. The reason Revis was out of work was because his production had dropped to much for the money he wanted. I think Veach acted out of desperation a little to quick. Our defense isn’t terrible but the offense is. The defense would be even better if the offense could spend a little more time on the field instead of being on the sidelines watching and hoping the defense will get them the ball back for three more plays. I’m not saying Revis can’t still play, but I don’t know if he’s worth the millions. We know Hali and DJ can still play some, but are they worth the millions anymore? I hope Revis is since he is now a Chief.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            at the price off 333K, Revis is a steal this year even if he only makes a few plays. I’m hoping for more than that and his quick release at the trade period next year.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            The way I see it, Revis came back too early and out of shape last year for the Jets. I don’t think that’s the case now. Hali has been done for a couple years with his knees being shot, poor guy. DJ may be in the same boat as Revis, coming back too soon. DJ might play better next year than he has so far this year.
            But on the other hand, I could be wrong on all counts.

          • mnelson52

            Time will tell

  • HOMER!! Dave

    It's not all on Alex. While this throw isn't perfect, it's very catchable and good considering the circumstances. Hill drops it. Would've been a crucial 1st down. Not sure whether missed blitz is on Alex or the interior OL though. pic.twitter.com/runk90qOnz— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) November 28, 2017

    • ladner morse

      Keysor says, “Not sure whether missed blitz is on Alex or the interior OL though.” However, if you watch again, #71 Schwartz doesn’t rotate over and pick up #50 coming on the blitz. Since it’s a delayed blitz, there’s no reason for it.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        there is a point, pre-snap, where you can see Alex point out 50 also.

        • ladner morse

          And — pre-snap — Schwartz can see he has no one to block.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            That was LDT’s guy though wasn’t it?

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Both should have rotated down?

          • HOMER!! Dave

            If Smith points the guy out both Morse and LDT should have been aware enough to stay aware. Instead, both guys nomad off to other places. Bad, bad, protection.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      I remember this play too. That pass was pretty off target. If Hill was 6-2, possibly a catch.

      • ladner morse

        I didn’t think the pass was that high. But I did think that Hill wasn’t ready for a ball that was on him too quickly. With his quickness though, he should have made the adjustment. Hill looked slow to me all day long… like he was sick pre-game but decided to play anyway.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          Not high, low and outside. Definitely out of the strike zone. Oh wait, wrong sport…..oh well. lol

          • ladner morse

            hehehe

  • HOMER!! Dave

    It's not like Alex NEVER beat zone looks. BUF safeties did all kinds of movement prior to snap, ended up being cover 2, Alex shredded it with a perfect throw to Kelce. pic.twitter.com/CU5si7ICJN— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) November 28, 2017

    • mnelson52

      He had that opportunity multiple times but didn’t use it..

  • ladner morse
  • ladner morse

    Andy Reid has to know which routes combos work against both man and zone… so why isn’t he using those more?
    .
    https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/935575369717047301

  • ladner morse

    What I’m noticing here is… Fisher is not using the driving kick-step backwards with his left foot that good LTs use to stay in front of on-rushing OLBs.
    .
    https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/935577362699358209

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      If Fisher blocks that correctly, Fulton still loses, but Alex would have an extra second or so.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      We might be lucky LDT and Morse didn’t come out of that play hurt. They got tangled up and went down.

    • jimfromkcj

      What is really relevant is that your center and RG both got pancaked and Schwartz was chicken fighting with his man rather than making contact and riding him around the QB.

      • mnelson52

        they tripped over each other

        • mnelson52

          Im not sure Schwartz had enough effort to even call it chicken fighting. That was really sad. Talk about taking plays off

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I saw that too, but I’m not so sure, Smith is in shotgun, if he stays put Schwartz is in a good spot. But instead, Alex takes a 5 step drop (sort of small steps) from shotgun and ends up way back of where the tackles should expect him to be.
            If Smith stays up at about the 28-29 yard line, he has a nice clean pocket.

    • mnelson52

      Fortunately Wilson was his first read as he starred him down the whole time.

  • mnelson52

    I watched some college film on PM II. He has a strong arm that can hit small windows and the long ball, but I don’t think we should put him in. I don’t think he likes football enough to play in the NFL. His feet were not happy no matter what was going on. Smith started off the year looking good but his feet were just not happy. Now the team is losing a lot, but at least his feet are happy. So there is that.

    • HOMER!! Dave

      Mahomes turned down a baseball career to come to the NFL. I don’t doubt the kid’s love for football even a little bit.

      • Jeff Morton

        But his feet are happy, and unhappy feet mean an unhappy QB. No?

        • HOMER!! Dave

          Hehe, I’m not even sure where to start there. Was the “happy feet” thing in jest? I agree that Mahomes footwork in college was atrocious, but that is correctable and I seriously doubt that improper stance weighs so heavily on Mahomes shoulders that he is made unhappy from them.

          • Jeff Morton

            I took it as a joke, and that’s how I repackaged it. I suppose only mnelson knows the truth. ๐Ÿ™‚

          • HOMER!! Dave

            Guarantee it was joke, dude’s level.

          • drwillez37

            He only throws 70 yard bombs from his knees

          • mnelson52

            yep. what a wimp

      • drwillez37

        100%plus u know his father wasn t happy with that choice. Lots of football/baseball players all say they would’ve played baseball till their 40’s but retired at 32 playing football. Patrick is a Qb thru and threw

        • knowing what I know now(injuries from 45+ years ago) have taken their toll. And I didn’t get very far. I could hit a curve and fastball and back in the day, I had speed(can barely walk on the right ankle replacement, if any steep incline), sciatica left leg, L4 and L5 are shot, both shoulders(one surgery done, next surgery being scheduled), broken nose causing problems(next surgery being scheduled)… etc.

          yeah. I think I might should’a gone the minor league route. I did hit a curve down the left field line playing semi pro because we were short of players. Age 52.

          GO FIGURE. Should’a, could’a, would’a, maybe.

    • mnelson52

      Guess it was a sorry attempt at humor since some are not sure. It was to make fun of Smith getting happy feet. As in dancing and taking off with phantom pressure.

    • Stan Colbert

      I understand. I’m telling you, There is no reason to play Mahomes unless you have flushed this season. I don’t think Hunt would be impressed pulling Alex while leading the division. I really don’t want him to play until after the Charger game. They are playing very well and Mahomes might get killed!

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Oh, how the mighty have fallen…

    The Chiefs have fallen from a unanimous No. 1 pick in NFL power rankings to not being picked to make the playoffs. Via @pgrathoff:https://t.co/MtHNagF2dD— Sports Daily KC (@SportsDailyKC) November 28, 2017

  • HOMER!! Dave

    I have this feeling that Geoff Schwartz is the same guy that was a huge douche a while back over at AA. I can’t remember the guy’s name but the mannerisms are the same.

    • ladner morse

      I don’t remember Geoff ever going on AA.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        he didn’t go by GS, it was Mike Some-thing-or-another. I could very well be mistaken, but the method of comments seem all so similar.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          Mike Parks or something like that. A true know it all.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            BINGO!!!! that was the cat!!!

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I remember. It always seemed he thought he knew more about football than the rest of the world put together.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            a la Geoff Schwartz. I can’t get the idea out of my head, and it’s been days now.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I don’t dp the twitter tweeter stuff, so I’ll take your word for it!

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Holy Snikies!!!!

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000884762/article/giants-to-start-geno-smith-over-manning-vs-raiders?campaign=fb-nf-sf174608721-sf174608721&sf174608721=1&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral

    Eli Manning got Benched he beat the Chiefs I think by default that benches Smith ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚— ๐Ÿˆ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏKingdom Connection๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿˆ (@KingdomConnektN) November 28, 2017

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Good grief, they’re benching Eli for who?

      • HOMER!! Dave

        Geno Smith

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          LOL! That’s really gonna help ’em.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            Yeah, it makes no sense other than to see what they have in Geno. They picked up a project QB last draft, that Davis cat, amirite? Maybe they are trying to trade of Manning’s existing contract though…22 next year and 23 the year after.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Right now, he’s worth about as much as Smith. Maybe a bit more because of the name. With a high draft pick, having Eli or Alex for a year or two wouldn’t be a bad deal if you draft a QB next year. None of the college kids are ready to play at he next level.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Had to check, yep, Giants drafted Webb in the 3rd. I think Webb was Dai’s guy.

    • tm1946

      You mean after beating the Chiefs a team would bench their QB? Andy don’t play that game.

  • tm1946

    Lad:

    With new QB’s starting all over the place and Reid “sticking” with Alex and we can assume Reid is as smart as he thinks he is (lot of assuming with this one)…. Do we have a issue with Mahomes as a NFL grade QB? I have never seen him do a thing but what if we picked the wrong QB? Would appreciate an opinion worth considering without my personal grudges.

    Others feel free to opine – at their own risk.

    • berttheclock

      I believe as does my good buddy Ron, who happens to be a long time diehard fan of the Chiefs (Aaron Brown is still his favorite player). He is a chemist from K-State. He believes the Chiefs could get a lot of good picks from other teams for one, drum roll please, one Mahomes II.

      • tm1946

        Does not mean all that much to me. Draft picks? Reid does not play draft picks. We still need the QBOTF, with or without Alex Smith.

        Still waiting for the Chiefs to step up as an organization….to old to keep supporting bottom feeders.

        • berttheclock

          Rebuild the team first. Find a new HC and new assistants. Then, you can start looking for a replacement at QB. I really believe this Louis Reddick idea of building a team from the QB position first is pure hogwash. I adhere to John Madden. It begins in the trenches and works its way outwards.

          • tm1946

            You are talking years…. many years. No interest in dribbling in my oatmeal in a nursing home and seeing if the Chiefs or me is the first to pee down their leg in a SB.

          • berttheclock

            With the current parity in the league, a sharp GM can turn a team much faster than in the days of yore.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Not if the former GM fubared the salary cap for the next 2 years.

          • tm1946

            We are just kidding around with each other. I saw the Chiefs SB win in Vietnam on a sheet, Bert is about the same time frame, just not as old. We know the Chief are what the Chiefs are….

          • HOMER!! Dave

            even longer if what has been repeated here so many times as of late, building a team through the trenches, is attempted. Building an offensive line takes years.

          • tm1946

            Especially if you have to get rid of the overpaid beloved of Dorsey/Reid.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      No, I think Mahomes will be fine. Several new QB’s are because of injury. The others are like Denver or Cleveland that don’t really have a QB or a coach that knows what they are doing. And in some other cases, a coach with their job on the line. Reid has his mind made up and will stick with his way come hell or high water. The ship may go down but you’ve seen Reid, he’s gonna float.

      • tm1946

        Reid gets paid not matter what, apparently already has bust location for the HOF….. and we suck. Do not get it.

        • berttheclock

          Perhaps, it really comes down to some videos of Clark Hunt, Reid has stashed in a vault somewhere.

          • tm1946

            Based on the junk displayed on the internet…. Clark would have had to murdered the Pope or voted for Trump…. everything else is fatties, libs, and shaming – does not seem to effect them.

    • freshmeat62

      Of last years class of QB’s Mahomes was my favorite…although NOT so much a favorite that I’d give 2 1st rd’ers and a 3rd rd’er.

      This years class is/was suppose to be one of the top QB classes to come around in a long time. After watching each of this years top QB’s, most more than once, I don’t see it. If they are so good why is it that none of the draft big boards I’ve looked at have them rated at the top of their boards? I realize it’s early and those boards are going to change a lot. Where they have them rated now is probably a closer indication of what they really think of them. As we get closer to the draft QB’s tend to float to the top, worthy or not.

      Of this years class I like Rudolph of Okie St, and Mayfield of Okie U the best.(my old AF roomie hates when I call OU that. He went to Okie U and lives in Tulsa. He gets his digs in at me, so we’re even) Ive seen Darnold, Rosen, Jackson, and I’m not impressed w/ any of those. But Rudolph w/ his accuracy, looks really good. I think Mayfield with his fire, and he also has a good arm, will be a winner.

      The odds that Rudolph would still be around for the Chiefs to draft him, if they still had their 1st rd pick, would be outlandish. I’m happy we have Mahomes. And if people think Mahomes is worthy of all these draft picks in a trade, then they also must like him.

    • mnelson52

      Well, after 5 games, there was a lot of film out on everybody on every team. Since then Reid has been out coached every game.

      • tm1946

        Not so sure (I am not a Reid guy). IMO he is stiff necked, believes his own press clippings about how great he is. Just what changes has he made on offense with the losses? I see the same mistakes, same game plan, same old, same old and I expect nothing different Sunday or the rest of this season.

        • mnelson52

          To start the game Sunday, Hunt up the middle, no gain. play 2 Hunt up the middle no gain. play #3 screen pass. 3 and out

  • berttheclock

    Ross Travis is out. Orson Charles is in. Just brought up from the Chiefs’ PS.

    Plus, micah has decided to leave his cousin by himself in Denver as he will relocate to New York to root for his old buddy, Geno Smith. Number One Boosta of Geno.

    • berttheclock

      Orson Charles is more of a H-back TE. He can play fullback, if needed, as well.

      • tm1946

        Maybe he can block?

  • berttheclock

    The NY Giants have just placed four players on IR. So, what should be the next step? Why, bench the starting QB. He must have been the reason for all of the injuries.

    • drwillez37

      Thank God Geno wasn’t playing when they played us. Though would’ve stung so much more

  • drwillez37

    I beleive its easier to explain how gravity works or the impact of gamma rays on our planet

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Colts claim Ross Travis from Chiefs, waive Matt Hazel https://t.co/E1sGHdam0v— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) November 28, 2017

    • tm1946

      Poor bastards…. how bad are the Colts this year?

      • HOMER!! Dave

        they will be bad as long as Pagano is the HC. That dude is intent on getting the starting QB killed.

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        Bad enough their star QB talked his way onto IR.

  • berttheclock

    Todd Bowles has named Josh McCown, QB, to be the starter against the Chiefs.

    Tampa Bay just cut a TE, more of a pure blocker, who had been with the team for 7 years.

    • tm1946

      Do not worry…. even in the far NW territories, where the news may be delayed. Reid is sticking with Alex and has positively stated – we have to do better. Started setting money aside for SB trip….

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        Well then, as long as Reid said we have to do better and said it positively, we should be good to go. lol

        • tm1946

          Sure, he has been saying the same thing since he got here. Every loss…. blame me, we have to do better.

          • berttheclock

            Oh please, stop it both of you. Don’t you recall, he said “Mea Culpa” 3 times prior to that?

          • tm1946

            And who ever said – HC has an issue when the message falls on deaf ears….with Reid… deaf ears just keeps those pay checks coming on??

          • freshmeat62

            There you go throwing a monkey wrench into our positive vibes! Now I’ all confused and don’t know what to think.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Now you stop it, positive vibes my rear! lol

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            But which would you rather have, a HC who stands in front of the podium and shoulders the blame, at least publicly. Or a HC that throws his players under the bus. Personally, I wouldn’t want to play for a coach that would go to a press conference and say “Yep, I saw the same thing you all did, our Quarterback played like shit today, we had moron receivers running into each other, looking like stooges, nothing but half a locker room full of clowns.”
            Nope, the head guy has to shoulder the blame, and Reid has been doing it long enough he has is answers down pat, whether we like them or not.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            The above comment doesn’t mean I like the way Reid has been coaching or calling plays, by the way.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            ‘zactly, leaders shoulder the blame, they don’t lay it.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Not publicly for sure, now behind closed doors is another story!

          • mnelson52

            behind doors they have to be held accountable

          • HOMER!! Dave

            right, behind closed doors is where leaders are real leaders. It’s easy to put on a show for the masses and talk big game. When the doors close you have to hold people accountable and correct things.

            You do not, ever, do that in front of an audience.

          • tm1946

            Of course that concept is from earlier days and the leaders also had to fall on their swords when they failed… tended not have repeated losses.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            lol, not so much, man. In the days of falling on your sword corporal punishment was instrumental in keeping the masses in rank. Not so much today.

          • tm1946

            It is not a case of either “it is my fault” or throwing the team under the bus. Somewhere there is – I am fixing what went wrong…. heard that yet? Or…. coaches and players need to start preforming or else….

            No, with the Chiefs and their fans…. it is my fault… good enough and all they deserve.

      • berttheclock

        Against the Panthers, McCown rolled out to his right and at his own 41 lofted a pass which was caught in stride by Anderson at the six of the Panthers for an easy TD. However, one difference in the game was McCown was strip sacked and the recovery was run in for a 34 yard TD by Kuechley.

  • berttheclock

    Trivia fact about the oft traveled Josh McCown. He played for both SMU and Sam Houston State College. After being drafted in the 3rd round of the 2002 draft by the Cardinals, he has bounced around the league with several different teams as a backup and as a starter. He even dropped back and played one season for the Hartford team in the minor leagues. But, the trivia fact about him is on December 1st, 2002, he came off the bench to play in a blowout by the other team. He relieved Jake Plummer. That other team was the KC Chiefs. That game was his introduction into playing in the NFL. KC won the game 49-0.

    • berttheclock

      One thing he has never been is consistent. He can connect on passes in streaks or he can throw a slew of INTs.

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        Well, let’s hope for the latter, but with our luck…………

  • Aside: interesting story from a fan of the Raiders — 98 year old vet, served USN 23 years. Was on the Pennsylvania at Pearl Harbor…

    https://www.liftable.com/bdirks/98-year-old-pearl-harbor-survivor-steals-show-front-54000-people/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=janbrewer&utm_content=2017-11-28&utm_campaign=can

  • Stan Colbert

    I found Geoff Schwarz article enlightening, where he said the Chiefs do so many things and vary so much in the game plan week to week that it is easy to get out of synch. Nobody pays me to be DC but it seems logical to have one of the best pass rushers in the league, rush the passer! Someone should be able to design a defense to allow that! Who knew Albert Wilson played such a critical role! Why on Earth would you run T.Hill on a 3 yd. crossing route and target him! I believe, if I ran a jet sweep twice and lost yardage both times, I might not call it again that day! By the way MP22 was 3 yds. behind Zay Jones on that TD pass.

  • ladner morse

    So… Geno Smith will be starting this week for the Giants ending Eli Manningโ€™s consecutive games started streak. He has no contract at the end of the year.

    Question: how many of you think Eli will end up in Denver next season?

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      I don’t know Laddie, he could stay in NY and switch to the Jets, that would be funny. With all the problems Denver has, they might have trouble getting any FA to go there.

  • jimfromkcj

    There is one question that keeps going through my mind and it is WHAT ABOUT TYLER BRAY? How come he is never in this conversation? We have been screwing around with him taking up a roster spot for 3 or 4 years. If Smith is shot and they don’t want to throw Mahomes to the wolves, why not Bray? Are they afraid that he might show something that might make them look bad for not giving him a chance in the reg season? I say give Smith one more game and if he stinks, get him out and let Bray have his chance. If he bombs then get rid of him after the season ends. This shouldn’t be a rest home for over the hill players.