A Look at Reggie Ragland

 

 

 

A Look at Reggie Ragland,

Acquired in a Trade with the Buffalo Bills

 

 

 

David Bell

 

The Chiefs made two big trades last week for draft picks. I support both moves by Brett Veach. The Chiefs gave up a round 4 pick in 2019 for Ragland and a round 5 pick in 2018 for Cam Erving. The Chiefs essentially obtained two players who were, in their draft year, first round talents.

 

My focus is on Ragland but in making this observation please note: neither player was a fit for the team which selected them, either from the start or after 2016. Ragland fits the 34 Defense as an inside linebacker perfectly. He is a great compliment for DJ, and with Ramik Wilson developing a strong talent that could mirror the play of DJ, both players could be, and are probably looked to as the future ILB tandem. I like it.

 

 

 

 

 

Reggie Ragland came from the Bills who swapped in the 43 defense. Reggie was not a good fit for this and this is why the Bills moved him in this trade. At Cleveland, Erving was selected to be a guard whereas all of his experience was at LT. Moreover, think on it: He was moved inside to Guard, played a little tackle and then they moved him to center. Whatever was wrong, it wasn’t working and this put a high round pick to availability in a trade. In this latter case with Erving, think to on the black hole that Cleveland has been the past 3 seasons or more, with all the turmoil, poor draft choices, distractions, and Johnny football to boot.

 

Brett Veach made a trade for top talent in a draft in both cases, albeit, one with no NFL Time and the other with questionable history.

My focus in this piece is Ragland — who fell to the 41st player selected in the draft due to a medical issue, heart murmur, and then was cleared to play only to be taken out of 2016’s season with a preseason game ACL knee injury after a malpractice in a treatment so he had to get professionals from www.the-medical-negligence-experts.co.uk to resolve the issue. Ragland comes to the Chiefs as essentially… a top ranked rookie.

 

What Are the Critiques?

What were the critiques? PFF noted that Ragland looked to be a productive two-down linebacker at the least. Pundits, analysts indicate: he was competent for short drop zones but not suited to man-coverage. He could be a 3-down player with the right scheme. An advantage is his pass-rush versatility which is a proven talent. He is certainly the type of player who has the temperament for run thumping, hard hitting ILB.

 

On the other hand, Lance Zierlein noted that Ragland would be a tone-setting run stopping ILB. When I think about all the problems the Chiefs had in 2016, one of the biggest exposures was the inability to stop the run.

 

For this reason alone, I think Ragland is a perfect fit for the WILL and to play next to DJ. But I believe, after watching film, that there is a misread on what Ragland can do in pass coverage. He will be far better than Mauga with speed. Indeed, he has the speed to cover from the middle side to side and close against most RBs and certainly Tight Ends.

 

Let’s take another look at Charlie Goldman’s comments. He stated that Ragland would be durable, and hitter, and could play any linebacker in a 34 including outside. See my film review on this factor. He has versatility.

 

I will come back to the pass coverage topic below.

 

 

Ragland Fits the WILL

With Reggie’s size and speed he certainly fits the vision of a “WILL” linebacker. He is faster and more versatile that Josh Mauga by far. Goldman’s comments it well with this particular suggestion because Reggie is more versatile than that. He is capable of playing the short drops in a zone set and has the ability to be a pass rush mix and match player. If I view the overall Chiefs linebacker crew as oriented to “Speed”, and if that were the only factor that I need to address, Ragland would follow behind the “Speed” Talent. Keep in mind the Chiefs traded earlier, under Veach’s auspice, DJ Alexander for Kevin Pierre-Louis. I think you can see from this trade that Veach was looking for more “ummph” on the inside. DJA was a speedster and benefited Dave Toub quite handily on special teams. However, Alexander appears to have lost out to other players for snaps as an ILB, namely Ramik Wilson and a couple of others, such as Terrance Smith. The trade brought the possibility of a player who was more willing to hit the hole and stop the runner at the LoS. At least that is my read on the trade.

 

Charlie Goldman viewed Ragland as a perfect for KC before the draft. He observed DJ’s age and time left in the game, Lance Zierlein liked him for the same reason. PFF worried the pass coverage but expressed the view that he could or would be a 3 down ILB. That mirrors my view.

 

Re-orienting, If I go to the time frame of the draft, I was big on Jaylon Smith who was my choice you may recall but Dallas took him and was willing to accept Smith sitting out the first year on the IR/PUP all season.  Ragland was on my list, but was not my first round choice. He was however, my option for round 2 but was taken in the 10 spot.

 

At the time, the Chiefs had Josh Mauga who was utilitarian/journeyman type ILB. He filled the run stopping defense role well. When he went out for the season long days after the draft, it gave Ragland even more weight to be a selection, but that is “Hindsight.”

 

Thus were the Chiefs facing a problem in the middle of their front 7 with Josh Mauga being out. That missing piece caused the Chiefs Defensive Coordinator no end of headaches in figuring out how to effectively stop the run game and that’s tough when your front 7 had a major piece missing which our young, talented and speedster ILBs weren’t able to overcome. At least this is my view and that was how Mauga fit. I am with taking a top talent who could start out of the gate. The Chiefs made a superb pick in Marcus Peters in 2015. Ragland would have been such in 2016 but it appears that the medical issue pressed Ragland down the Dorsey board and he was taken in the 2nd round at #10. As I viewed the draft, I wanted to get that OLB or ILB because this was an exposure area for the Chiefs(my nots say: DJ and Hali will soon retire, when the opportunity arises, the Chiefs need to take a top talent here. My goal was to give the Chiefs a top talent to start next to DJ. He should be a run stopping, WILL and Ragland fits this description to a “T.”

 

 

The Draft from 2016

Here is how the draft looks for linebackers to position in the 4th round, the Chiefs took Parker Ehinger.

  • Round 1, Derron Lee, OLB – NYJ
  • Round 2, Jaylon Smith, OLB – Cowboys
  • Round 2, Myles Jack, OLB- Jaguars
  • Round 2, Reggie Ragland, ILB – Bills (Pick 10, overall #41)

 

It isn’t until round 3 that another ILB is taken. Ragland was the first ILB picked in the draft despite the medical setback which the player got beyond after further evaluation.

 

Looking Back at 2014 and 2015

Because I wished to form my own opinion, I reviewed the tape of Reggie Ragland’s play in 3 games from 2014 and 5 games from 2015. I review tape to see the complete picture of a player… what type of play situation is being used and… how the player fits to that system. Next up, when you do such a review you are going to see all the warts that go along with the ‘old girl’s glow’ so to speak. Here is a summation that I think is appropriate:

 

Ragland performed well as an ILB for the Crimson Tide. He stopped the run as you would expect an ILB to do, he did stunts according to play-calling and did them well. In 2015, he put his hand in the dirt and rushed from the outside and sometimes took an inside stunt from that position. He took a standing stance as well from the outside so you saw in the collegiate games, especially in 2015 quite a bit of versatility.

 

In both years, Ragland performed the basic drops in a zone defense as you should expect an interior linebacker to do. I did not see errors in this coverage. In two games I felt he was slow to react to a receiver on the edge of his zone area but this was not a consistent factor. In all games, no matter where the ball was, Ragland pursued.

 

In man to man, in 2015, Ragland had 2 plays covering a Tight End off the line of scrimmage and a couple of games taking on a Running Back. In one case, Ragland did a text book coverage of a Tight End who appeared quick and had moves. The TE drove Ragland deep to about 10 to 12 yards, faked outside and then cut across in front of the QB. Ragland mirrored the Receiver and took away a potential pass play that I thought was designed to have that TE as the #1 target. Meanwhile coverage was good, the QB scrambled and was tackled for a loss. One game here he had an INT as well.

 

 

 

 

An Overall Summary

Ragland tackles well, squares his shoulders and takes out the opponents legs while driving through tackles and wrapping up. He performs short drops in a zone scheme well. His questioned speed appears to be a misread or over emphasized and in the cases where he manned up, he did the right type of coverage, even if his receiver made the catch, Ragland was there to make the tackle — in place, doing the right coverage and making the play.

 

My read on Ragland during those 8 games is that he is a playmaker, and I would grade him out higher than he was at draft time. I surely thought he was a round 1 talent.

 

My Read on the Deal Now

The Ragland trade has a high ceiling that he will, in my view, fulfill. Ragland has hands enough for interceptions and he has a nose for the ball. That bodes well for success in the NFL. Even if he becomes a Middle of the Road defender with not much to write Mom about, he will play well on the inside for the Chiefs 34. I am pretty confident it will be play well beyond that. I have grown even fonder of the pick after all this review and fully support Veach in making this trade.

 

Keep in mind that Sutton uses all sorts of packages and hybrids to stymie and counter the offense he is seeing. Ragland may never be a HoF or superstar ILB. But he certainly will be a tough customer in Kansas City’s middle defense and he will be a punishing defender against the run. My bet is Ragland in KC will prosper.

 

There is only one contingency:  rehab from the knee injury.

 

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  • berttheclock

    Great analysis, David.

    One quick point off topic. Steven Nelson has been put on reserve/PUP. The Chiefs, because of a NFL rule, had to have him on the main roster as of Saturday, so, all that was said about him was he was not able to practice with the team. However, Burkholder has confirmed that in trying to fight through his groin injury, he had to undergo surgery and will be out for 6 weeks.

    • berttheclock

      I had mentioned Pierre Desir, the former DB of the Seahawks, might fit the Chiefs. (He has been picked up by the Colts). In response, a poster here said “We already have enough DBs”. Losing Nelson for the six weeks shows any team never really has enough quality DBs.

      • Chiefly Bacon

        Chiefs might not ever get to use the waiver wire to great advantage again. They win too many games and GMs like Ballard are wise to the value of this tool.

        • there’s an article worthy of the effort right there> Or two. Chris Ballard and his work his “rookie” Season.

          • berttheclock

            I wonder if his RB coach can properly motivate Matt Jones. Jones really got lucky getting picked up.

          • berttheclock

            Hey, as you will be watching some Seahawks’ games this fall. Seattle has, I believe, at least 7 rookies on their 53.

          • berttheclock

            3 of their cuts were picked up for main rosters and one ended up on a PS roster.

          • can’t help but get the seahawks. Part of the deal. 🙂

    • Chiefly Bacon

      He’s on IR, not the PUP. Difference being, that as many players as you want can come back from the PUP. Only two can come back from IR.

      • berttheclock

        Thanks. I wrote that fairly quickly after reading about it at the Mothership.

    • I am very sold on Ragland being perfect for the Chiefs. We have 4 solid ILBs at the very least in that case, with Rookie Eligwe. This is a good group of ILBs. with Ragland emerging with time and snaps, I want to note that my view of like Terrance Smith was validated. We picked Pierre-Louis as you noted.

  • berttheclock

    You mention the trade of D J Alexander to the Seahawks.. Although, D J is excellent on STs, he appeared to be lost trying to play ILB. Seattle really needed to beef up their STs, so, it made sense for them to acquire him and it made a ton of sense for KC to want KPL. Win-win for both teams.

    However, I have been checking on the progress of D J ever since the trade. Funny thing is I have read 2 Seahawks’ fan sites which made their projections for their final 53, plus, the projection from the Seattle Times sports writer. None of them had D J making the roster. Now, Jon Schneider did not trade for a star ST player to not want to include him on the roster. But, so many fans and writers making their projections somehow think playing on STs is somehow a lesser task and the players on it are somehow just throwaway or after thought types. Completely wrong headed. D J Alexander has made their 53 man roster.

    • ladner morse

      That.

  • berttheclock

    I consider the move by Veach to acquire Ragland to be a major coup. Consider this. For some time, I had wanted the Chiefs to trade for Mychal Kendricks of the Eagles. He does not really fit the 4-3 scheme there as he is not noted for being able to drop back into coverage. However, Kendricks is 26 and his hit against the 2017 salary cap is $6.6 M. Ragland is 23 and his 2017 salary cap hit is only $715,517.

    • larry mckinney

      Agree. Ragland is the best Chiefs’ move of the off-season. Since they did not cut Wilson

      • berttheclock

        I have heard rumors that Andy Reid wants the city fathers of KCMO to erect a bronze bust of Albert Wilson and have it placed next to “Scout” across from Union Station.

        • larry mckinney

          I’ve heard that too. Of course it’s just a bust of Wilson’s chest and head. No hands.

          • Laurels and limitations

            lol

        • Chiefly Bacon

          On the bright side, it would take quite a bit less metal, than most statues, and therefore save the taxpayers money.

        • Delaware Chief

          Although in today’s atmosphere of tearing down statues that are offensive, there may be a riot in Kansas City near the Albert Wilson statue the first time he drops a pass this season based on all the comments I have read about him

      • that a 10-4 LoL

  • Chiefly Bacon

    Unless I’m missing something, Chiefs only have 9 players on their practice squad. Kemp, Deiter, King, Mama, Cheek, Redding, McQuay, Charles and Rush. Perhaps Stave takes that 10th spot.

    • berttheclock

      King appears to be the only one in question at this time. Is or isn’t he on the list? Paylor never confirmed it early on. The last time I checked the list at the Mothership, they did not have him on, either. But, he might be. This AM, I looked at the list of the Seahawks and they only had seven.

      • King is not on the NFL Transaction list either. I will say the Chiefs updates on transactions and roster changes lags terribly at times.

  • freshmeat62

    Avery huh. I’m envious. Beautiful country. There’s a little town of Cambridge, ID about 300 miles south on 95 hwy, a main north south road thru ID. If you happen to go thru it, there’s a mom and pop restaurant there that has what I consider one of the best breakfast I’ve ever had…and cheap! Don’t remember the name, but it will be the one where the hwy turns w/ lots of cars outside.

    • berttheclock

      Cambridge, you say. Isn’t that the jumping off point to Hell’s Canyon?

      • freshmeat62

        Could be. I remember seeing Hell’s Canyon signs along the way.

      • ladner morse

        Hey Bert, remember we were talking about Will Tye yesterday…
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        https://twitter.com/TheRedzoneorg/status/904692989150330881

        • Chiefly Bacon

          Wow, he did not fall far.

        • berttheclock

          They had to as their starting TE is suspended for the first two games.

          • berttheclock

            Of course, their starting QB and backups are suspended somewhere out there in space, as well.

    • I am amateur photog and have maybe 2k photos on my facebook page. Someone commented I could do a coffee table book. I have been through cambridge, not stopped, but will make it a point. Good sign for a good place to eat, cars in the lot.

  • berttheclock

    The loss of Nelson really bothers me as the Chiefs really need a tough slot corner. Even Houston’s quip of “HIt him”, yesterday was based on how quickly Brady releases the ball to his slot backs. I don’t know who will end up trying to replace Edellman full time, but, the Pats will still use that very quick throw.

    • ladner morse

      Nelson’s absence makes me “more” concerned about the Chiefs CB unit than I already was. The Chiefs don’t have the luxury of having a Safety jump up and cover the slot as well as Nelson did. His quickness will be missed especially against a team (this week they’re like Voldemort, you don;t say their name, you just call them “a team”)… that traditionally uses a smallish WR with quickness who can run short “J” patterns.

      • ladner morse
      • berttheclock

        I mentioned below how many fans overlook the importance of ST players. They, also, overlook the importance of an excellent slot corner. They tend to think of that position as a leftover DB one. John Elway said, when, he gave an extension to his top slot, now, playing outside, that he thought the slot corner was second only to the starting QB as the most important position on any NFL team. Look back to the Indy game when Flowers came up to play more slot and stopped the quick wide outs of Indy. After he was injured, Hilton had a field day and destroyed the Chiefs.

    • freshmeat62

      Amendola is kind of the same mold as Edelman. I assumed he’d go to the slot. But the other receivers scare me too. They could afford to lose Edelman more than he Chiefs can afford to lose Nelson.

  • Chiefly Bacon

    If DAT sticks around past this year, I would love to see Chiefs cross train him at CB. He’s not the tallest guy, but very quick and agile. Also displays the necessary toughness on STs. While he may never carve out a starting role in the offense, he could be useful when Chiefs have to cover shorter, speedy wideouts. I think jack of all trades, master of none, is the best fit for DAT on this team, why not add another trade to his repertoire?

    • berttheclock

      BTW, did you see that Josh Huff was released. He played at Nike at the same time as DAT. When, Chip Kelly had the chance to draft DAT, he took Huff instead as he said Huff was bigger. Huff never really could find his groove in Philly, then, was released due to a grass and weapons bust. The Bucs picked him up , but, have cut him.

      • Chiefly Bacon

        Huff looked promising, but never seemed to get his head right.

  • ladner morse
    • Chiefly Bacon

      As you know, I had this game penciled in as a loss before Nelson got hurt. Now I’m just more certain.

      • freshmeat62

        If it was anybody but Brady, I might try to argue w/ you, but dang that guy is so good. Just hope they can put pressure on him, and Sutton come up w/ something special to cover for Nelson. Just don’t want to see Houston trying to cover some WR.

        • Laurels and limitations

          the only thing that might work in KC’s favor is that Edelman is injured.

  • ladner morse
    • berttheclock

      Plus, James Conner has stuck and moved up on their chart. This is really the year for rookies making NFL teams. I mentioned below that Seattle is carrying at least 7 rookies.

  • berttheclock

    One of the several young QBs we all kicked around pre-draft will be starting this week. Peterman will start due to the concussion of their 1st string QB.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      That was my guy, I’ll be curious to see how he does.

      • mine too. watched him play one series or 2, TD. calm in the pocket. He will surprise all the pundits and experts, I believe.

  • Chiefly Bacon

    If Mitchell is healthy, I would put Marcus Peters in the slot and Kenneth Acker on the outside. Roll safety help (Parker) Acker’s way, leave Mitchell on an Island and put Berry in the box.

  • berttheclock

    Ballard is proving a point that he may sign you, but, that does not mean he’ll keep you. Case in point was in March, he signed Brian Schwenke, who had been with the Titans for 4 years as a center, both starting and backup. Ballard released Schwenke earlier in the week and the Titans have just welcomed him back.

  • berttheclock

    A few years back Chris Harris, Jr was injured. John Elway went out of his way to extend his contract. In doing so, he spoke about the importance to a team of a top slot corner. He mentioned that a slot corner must have the quickness to come up and hit the opposing slot receivers, yet, have the toughness to drop them quickly. Plus, he needed speed and hip movement to be able to switch outside if necessary to cover. This is why a slot corner is never an afterthought. When, Seattle defeated the Broncos in the SB, it was largely due to their top slot corner who stopped the quick slot wide outs and never allowed them to be able to have many YACs. When, that happened, Peyton had no choice but to throw longer passes. His top wide out had a record setting day in receptions, but, only made the end zone one time and that was really in garbage time.

    • Laurels and limitations

      the Nelson injury is a major one. While I believe that Gaines has the ability to perform at the slot CB position, I also don’t believe that he has the durability to. I don’t like banking on single players but KC was already doing so with Nelson, now I am actually cringing at who might be thrust into a starting role there in Nelson’s stead.

      • they weren’t banking on 1, they were banking on 2. :0. Nelson was better than just good but so was Gaines. Let’s hope the injury prone label doesn’t stick. They would need to sign a very top notch youngster or a better than journeyman level corner to replace either so I expect if there is an opportunity Veach will take it. OTOH, I don’t believe the sky is falling because Gaines sold me on his ability to play the position. Staying healthy? I think he was unlucky and won’t stick injury prone label on him, yet. Another thing: They have Murray back in the back end and he can swap up. I wonder if that is already in the works. Or White. don’t have anything that says they can’t. don’t know how well they would do.

        • Laurels and limitations

          Murray and White look okay in coverage..but the slot position in Sutton’s defense requires more than just okay. I really think people don’t realize how pivotal Nelson was to the KC defensive scheme. Only Berry and Parker played more snaps than Nelson did in 2016 on defense, but then Nelson also played a not-insignificant amount of ST’s snaps also.

          I agree about Gaines’ ability, but his availability needs some serious attention. Gaines has shown some adeptness in the slot in the past so I’m not overly concerned about his play, just his staying on the field.

  • larry mckinney

    Way, way, way off topic. And apologies for muddying up matters surrounding a very good article. But it’s a good one.

    Circulating around Denvertown at the moment, this puzzler – who loses their current job first, John Elway or Donald Trump?

    • berttheclock

      Why the sudden loss of faith in horse face? Something of the ‘What have you done for us lately?’ thingee?

      • larry mckinney

        Sloter, the best QB on the roster, goes to Minnesota PS after Horsetooth cuts him. And more, recent high-round draft choices go belly up. The fog of stardom is lifting…

        • berttheclock

          and, then, there was the acquisition of Donald Stephenson.

          • larry mckinney

            Still on the team. Last year’s saviour, this year’s back-up swing tackle. It’s pretty evident. Heat is on John-boy.

  • berttheclock

    I often wonder why so many fans come up with theories of looking down on both ST players and slot corners. Plus, they don’t believe top safeties should be paid well, don’t believe OGs should, either. and no ROT should receive the type of money LOTs receive. The NFL is a league of major changes over time. DCs and OCs are matched up constantly in an arms race of sorts. They are, always, changing the importance of various positions due to trying to out think the enemy. Thus, one should never set anything in stone as to how much any position should be paid or not be paid.

  • berttheclock

    Hey Laddie, did you see what your childhood favorite college team did? UCLA was down by 34 points in the 3rd quarter to Texas A&M. Then, something clicked and their QB threw 4 TDs and when the extra point was made, UCLA won by one, 45-44.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Ragland is an old school, pure thumper guy with a good motor….but I shudder at the thought of him in coverage. I was watching some tape of his and I don’t think I ever saw him in any position while covering a pass-eligible player where he was not trailing. Okay, that said and done, Ragland is adept at shedding blockers and getting to his lane. Plus, I never saw him quit on plays before the whistle. He could be god 2-down guy as long as he is fully healed.

  • Chiefly Bacon

    Chiefs have added OL Isaiah Willliams to the PS. That makes the 3rd OL on the PS.

    • Laurels and limitations

      competition is a good thing.

    • berttheclock

      Be very careful looking up Isaiah Williams as there are two offensive linemen with NFL connections. One is 30, played with several different teams and has been out of football for over 2 years.

      The one the Chiefs has picked up is a 23 year old who played for Akron, then, walked onto the Redskins last year and spent the year on their PS.

  • berttheclock

    Checking Rotoworld, I saw the names of two other NFL corners being put on that same 9 week IR for hammy problems. Must be a rash.

  • jimfromkcj

    Saw where Jerry Jones and Kraft had donated a million bucks to match Trump’s million. Our illusterous owner is being sued for mishandleing 300 mill of a states money by his hedge fund. Still waiting for the Clintons and Obamas to make their donations.

    • berttheclock

      How do you know if the Trump offer will even be paid? He promised money to vets, then, when it was out he never paid one dime, had to reluctantly agree to his “Oops”. He promises a ton of things, but, follows through rarely unless they are forced upon him.

      Most of his boasts about giving to charities end up to be nothing but boasts.

    • berttheclock

      Since 2013, the Hunt Family Foundation has given over $1 million to local charities of Greater KC. The money comes from a raffle paid into by fans at home games. It was announced that starting with the final preseason game last week, one half of all raffle money collected will be given to the flood relief funds. Clark Hunt said whatever amount is collected for each game, his foundation will match that amount in giving to the flood relief.

  • berttheclock

    Hey Ransom, would you take a flyer on signing an injured DB to the PS? How about the oft injured Senquez Golson, the former 2nd round pick in 2015 (only 7 behind Morse) from Ole Miss. He was never injured in college, but, with the Steelers, he ended up hurting his shoulder which was operated upon, then, tore a lisfranc and this season, he hurt his hammy. So, in 2 years, he has missed the majority of training camp for the Steelers. He was a late cut by them.

  • Stan Colbert

    Raglan is a thumper two down LB. I think he could develop skills to be a 3 down LB in zone schemes. KC doesn’t play much zone. KPL and Uligwe are far more suited to play and develop into three down man coverage LBs. Sutton uses safeties mostly in the three down role presently anyway!

    • Laurels and limitations

      good call.

    • again: I watched film for Ragland for 8 games. I do not see the weakness at all for drop zone coverage. I called the few man up coverages he did and watched him cover well on a TE and 2 different games RBs, with one particularly admirable coverage or 2. I did not see failure in man up coverage. I did not see excellence. I did see that he was in coverage and made the play most of the time but the completions were made. He made the tackle. I noted 2 times that I felt that he was late to react. I don’t believe this is failure to launch. It will take some work but I believe he can cover with the coaching. He has the quickness to do so. But here we are not talking about isolating on Wrs now. He has the size to take on any TE and RB for certain. I think the views as were expressed in my piece cover the gamut. I think he is a 3 down ILB. Look: DJ is no slouch but no speedster either so as a pair complimenting each other, I think they wouled work well together. And if you go the other way you have, as noted, Eligwe, or Pierre-Louis, Wilson etc.

  • Roswell Incident

    Chiefs 9 point dogs. Man, I hope KC shows up better than they did in their 1st 2 games last year. I hate NE.