Acceptance: Chiefs Fans Reach The 5th Stage Of Grief

Acceptance: Chiefs Fans Reach

The 5th Stage Of Grief   •   by Ransom Hawthorne

Whether you were holding out hope for this season, or hoping for dramatic change next season, it’s time to embrace reality. Andy Reid isn’t going anywhere, the Kansas City Chiefs aren’t winning the Super Bowl and might not win another game this year. We’ve been through denial (they’ll turn this around any day right? RIGHT!?) We’ve been through anger. Yup, lots and lots of anger. Some Chiefs fans have even resorted to bargaining (what can we sacrifice to the football gods to end the curse of mediocrity, bad luck and untimely penalties?). After all that, the depression began to set in. The Chiefs weren’t good, maybe they’d never be good. Maybe we’ll all grow older and die with the Chiefs still failing to return to the Super Bowl. For myself, I’m moving past this. It’s time to accept some things.

Chiefs Roster Lacks Talent, Especially On Defense: Once you really look at this roster, with critical eyes, you realize that the Chiefs don’t have many stars anymore. The closest they have are Justin Houston, Marcus Peters, Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce. Fans are getting tired of Peters and Houston is either not what he once was, or hurt by the lack of any viable support. I can’t name even one other guy who can get consistent pressure. Hill and Kelce’s talent is undeniable. Sadly, the rest of the offense is either being held back, or doing the holding back and it’s been so bad, recently, it’s been hard to tell exactly which players are terrible and which ones are hurt by relying on terrible players.

The positive in all this? We don’t have to be disappointed anymore. I’ve seen more than a few fans express that the 2-14 season was more fun than this. Disappointment comes from unmet expectations. People with realistic expectations, even bad ones, are not disappointed. The other potential positive from this lack of talent, is that maybe the Chiefs coaching staff isn’t as terrible as we think. That’s not a given, but if the roster is the biggest problem for Kansas City, at least Dorsey’s already gone. If coaching is the bigger issue, we’re in for a couple rough years.

Alex Smith Is Good Enough For Who The Chiefs Should Be, But Not For Who They Are: I’ll freely admit I was more down on Smith in the past than, perhaps, was warranted. The offense did enough to come away with a win, but the defense let them down. I think we all recognize that Smith can win in the playoffs with a good/elite defense. The Chiefs don’t have one now, and barring a legendary off-season by Veach, and a full return of Eric Berry, they’re not going to have one any time soon. The main problem with Smith on this Chiefs team, is that Chiefs have to win shoot outs. When they get the ball with two minutes left, they need to be able to drive down the field and score. In the Chiefs last three games, Smith has had three opportunities to do just that. Instead, he’s thrown two picks and nearly threw another one against the Jets. Smith is a good QB. He’s not the problem with this team. He’s also not the solution. The Chiefs should trade him to a team with a defense that gives him a chance at a championship, like Jacksonville. I’m not naive enough to think that Patrick Mahomes will solve Chiefs problems overnight, but K.C needs to enter a rebuild, and, for financial reasons, Smith’s not gonna be a part of that. If Mahomes actually turns out to be the kind of QB who can win shoot outs, maybe the team can get back to being competitive a little sooner. Even if that doesn’t happen, there’s no point keeping Smith around for a defensive rebuild that could span multiple years.

Kansas City Isn’t Good Enough For If Only-s: Stop torturing yourselves with what-ifs. What if Berry had never gotten hurt? The Chiefs still wouldn’t have a pass rush and 3 good CBs. They’d be better, not good. What if the Chiefs hadn’t traded for Mahomes? They might have been able to find an ok pass rusher and CB. That still leaves them with a meh 3rd CB, one good safety and a major lack of push from the DL, which makes it easy for QBs to step up and avoid the rush. Marcus Peters has shown enough cracks in his game, this year, that he might have struggled if teams targeted him instead of Gaines/Mitchell/Revis. What’s more, the offense would still have the same OL and same limitations. Simply put, teams that are two great draft picks away from a championship don’t lose to the Bills, Giants and Jets. These Chiefs were never going to win a championship this year, we just didn’t know it right away.

This might seem like kind of a downer, but I don’t view it that way. I’ve always believed that you can handle any situation if you just know what to expect. Now that Chiefs fans know that, they can avoid the frustration of a loss, in the face of an expected win, and just enjoy the good parts of each game. No need to agonize over missed opportunities. This is where we are, we’ve been through worse, we’ll get through it. Go Chiefs.

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Ransom Hawthorne

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Ransom Hawthorne is an electrician living in central KS. He's married and has two young boys. Born in KS, and raised in Tucson, Ransom spent his middle school years in southern Mexico.
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  • HOMER!! Dave
    • berttheclock

      Insipid as usual.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        I don’t think that word means what you think it does. Surely you can do better than that, Bert.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      Lol.

  • berttheclock

    Ransom, you are forgetting that one reason the defensive front has no push is due to the drafting of Mahomes II. Why? Because of his large contract added to the mix, the Chiefs did not have the money to resign Poe. Now, Poe with his back healthy is adding both push and being able to take on double teams with the Falcons.

    As to this misconceived view by many that the Chiefs are loaded with talent, how many of the current roster will go to the Pro Bowl this year?

    Thirdly, with this ridiculous decision to bench Peters for one game (By Golly, that will bring discipline to the team. That will make Sutton call far better schemes, eh?), it has made my weekend decision much simpler. Instead of heading over to Dee’s Bar in Portland to cheer for the Chiefs this coming Sunday, I will remain at home doing various things around the house. I view this move to be nothing more than a decision that this season is history. If Reid does not really want to win, then, to hell with him and his current staff and team.

    But, by whomever anyone considers to be up there in the vast sky above, benching Peters will really show every one the powers to be running this inept group that discipline must remain foremost at all times. No uppity upstart need apply. Just keep shuffling along with some step and fetch it moves and just smile, smile, smile and say, “Ya sir, boss man”. By the way to one and all, taking a knee has absolutely nothing to do with disrespecting the flag and it has nothing to do with disrespecting the military of this nation. It has everything to do with institutional racism and the fact many who are upset over anyone taking a knee or raising a fist never seem to say one freakin’ word about police brutality across this country.

    • Merlin

      Poe and Logan signed essentially the same contract. I suspect the Chiefs didn’t want Poe back because of his back issues.

    • HOMER!! Dave

      Poe was released from his contract of nearly 8million in 2017 and Dorsey brought in Logan, for 8 million, the contracts were a wash. Dorsey also brought in Roy Miller. Dorsey might have misfired but Logan at 8M plus Miller at 1.3M is quite a bit more than Mahomes’ salary expenditure of 2.96M.

      Also Poe has 28 combined tackles, 1.5 sacks, 2 stuffs this season.
      Logan= 48 combined tackles, 1.5 sacks also EIGHT stuffs.

      The only category Poe leads Logan in this season is passes defensed. Poe has 2 while Logan only has one. Poe IS NOT having the better year.

      They say that if you repeat something often and vehemently enough it will become fact, but not in this case.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      This post illustrates some of my frustrations with the way you’ve been forming arguments recently. You start with your premise “I don’t like Mahomes” and then try to find a way to make that the source of every problem for the Chiefs. Mahomes had NOTHING to do with not retaining Poe. This is clearly visible to everyone.
      1.Poe had the same cap hit with the Falcons as Logan did with the Chiefs. If Chiefs could afford Logan, they could afford Poe.
      2.Poe signed with the Falcons a month before the draft even occurred.
      3.Mahomes “huge” salary is all of 3m this year. That’s less than half of either Poe or Logan’s salary, and certainly not the kind of money that forces you to make big cap decisions.

    • ladner morse

      Peters 100% needed to be benched. I can’t imagine what your problem with that is but the Peters problem is one that other teams like Denver and the Raiders have too: players who think they are bigger than the game itself. So, this makes it an NFL issue too.

      Now, will it work? I’m completely on the fence with regards to Peters. This could either make him indignant or he could allow this reprieve to help shape him into a respectful teammate… and more mature adult.

      Playing in the NFL is a privilege. There are millions of us who dream that dream growing up and those with the talent — and I must add, “good fortune” — to get there must respect that opportunity. For those players who don’t respect that opportunity… they could easily end up going down the Jon Baldwin road to mediocrity and thus out of the league.

      Peters pattern of problems with authority make his suspension more problematic because this is probably late in coming. We can only pray this does some good and he may end up contrite like he was during the “time of the draft” because he had to act that way.

      My experience with humans and change as an adult (I once helped my own brother get off of alcohol after more than a decade of facing him with the problem) informs me that there are two types of responses to being confronted: 1) they are truly and permanently humbled or 2) they are sorry they got caught and that response is far less permanent. Since we now know that Peters contrition about his college conflict (chocking his coach) was an event that didn’t teach him about limiting his “reactive emotions”… it makes this suspension far less likely to end up being effective but, we’ll see. It, however, does not mean that you don’t try to do what’s best for Peters and what’s best for everyone around him, especially his teammates.

      And that… has precedence over trying to win a game vs the Raiders this weekend. As disappointing as that may be to some fans… it is absolutely necessary and long overdue.

    • larry mckinney

      Can only agree with your last point Bert. I look darkly on anyone pounding their chest and roaring over the supposed “disrespect” of taking a knee. Their actions are a disgrace to the flag, not the kneeler’s actions.

      Now I will absorb all the attacks of those who have twisted preconceptions of what our country should be about.

  • PaulFromNorthMo

    Great article Ransom. I agree that we just don’t have good enough players and I also think we need some better positional coaching. Just look at our special teams, we can’t get a KO return past the 25 yard line. Hill almost never has room to maneuver on a punt return. Has Toub fallen off that much or does he just not have the personnel he needs.
    And then our O-line, entirely put together by Dorsey and consistently “coached” by Heck.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      Thanks! While Brock Olivio hasn’t done great with Denver’s STs, I think Chiefs really miss him. This is the first year for the Chiefs with a new assistant, for Toub, and I think that’s a factor. The losses of DJA and Justin March were also likely significant factors. Even so, the reason the league changed the spot to the 25 is because teams rarely average better field position than that on KRs anyway. Toub needs to adjust to the times and quit bring the ball out of the end zone so much.

      Heck was on the hot seat with fans for a while. The early season performance, of the OL changed that, but the late season collapse changed it back. I’d love to see what a different coach could accomplish there.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        Sir Paul has been on the Get-rid-of-Heck committee for a while now and I can’t disagree one bit. Dorsey saddled Heck with some real winners in McSpin and Linkenlogs but I can’t believe that even those two were truly that bad. In five years time we have witnessed minimal to zero improvement beyond the individual(s), nothing as a whole…I have to attribute that to coaching.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          The final straw for me was bringing in who many consider the best RT in the game and now he looks average at best.

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        It’s going to be interesting how Veach handles this off-season. IMO he needs to make some tough and what will be unpopular decisions to many fans and dump a lot of dead weight and old money. There should be several younger FA’s that he could try to bring in that should provide an upgrade.

        • HOMER!! Dave

          Veach is very likely going to have to navigate the salary cap minefield in order to bring Kc out of this mess. The salary cap aside there are a number of players that will be UFA in 2018 who will need replacing.

          Wilson, Albert
          DAT
          Fulton
          Logan
          RNR
          The entire ILB depth
          5 CBs
          Our kickers
          Bray

          Holy crap, no WONDER Hunt felt inclined to can Dorsey!!…this roster is a Got’damned mess!!

          • HOMER!! Dave

            There are also only 2 TEs currently on the roster, one being Harris.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            OTC has Charles on the list. They also have A Hunt, Butker and some guy named Sterns. 4 players on the 2018 roster that don’t show up on Spotrac

          • HOMER!! Dave

            thanks for that, I’m going to go look.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            My lord, sooooo much damn dead money this year. Next year, so far that is, all KC has as far as dead money is Maclin and Jah Reid but that number can increase significantly with just a few necessary moves. 3.6M for Smith, 1.7 for Tamba, and even though I understand that you are against the move, 2.25 for Johnson.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Smith, DJ, Hali, Bailey, Parker and Harris would push our dead cap to over 17.5 mil. But add in Ford and Revis, it would give us over 50 mil of cap space.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            crazy, crazy numbers. Just how in the sam hell was it allowed to get this bad!?

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            One word buddy, DORSEY.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            I’m afraid so. People were all thinking that Dorsey slept with Mrs. Hunt or something to get fired, lol. It looks to me as if Hunt just simply opened to books.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Shoot man, I actually saw this coming (sort of), I thought Dorsey could have straightened it out himself. I was never that big on Dorsey (as far as money) nor did I fuss when he got canned. I mean if we can see it on OTC and Spotrac, I’m sure Clark had no trouble at all.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            I’m not disagreeing with you one bit, you’ve been saying it for a while now. Funny part is, I wasn’t a Dorsey fan for ever and ever, then I sipped a little Kool-Aid. Wish I would have stuck to my gut. Oh well, at least I got to see my dream of a rookie QB being picked high come to fruition.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            There ya go. I tend to be a more of a “go with the flow” type. At least here where the Chiefs are concerned. There isn’t a darned thing I can do to change any of it, so the way I see it, I either live with it or walk away.
            BTW, I mentioned Murphy, OLB form the Skins earlier. Here’s a few more you can look at and let me know what you think for FA’s
            Williamson, ILB, Titans
            Eric Reid, FS, 49ers
            Fuller, CB, Bears
            Rawls, RB, Seahawks
            Pugh, LOG, Giants
            They would probably use up a fair portion of that 50 mil, but I think they would be solid additions.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            I’m not a Rawls’ fan, never have been….he reminds me too much of Lynch. KC already have 2 RBs with similar running styles so I’d like to see a change of pace guy…whoever the heck that might be.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I can see that, there just doesn’t seem to be a great deal of choices coming up in FA. At any position. Veach is going to have to act fast if he decides to take this route.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            well bub, I need to get off my butt, soooo much to do today. I’ll catch you after a bit hopefully.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Have a good one, I’ll be outta here shortly myself!

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Well, we do have Ragland and Butker for ’18, and a lot of high dollar old guy’s!

          • HOMER!! Dave

            Baby steps I guess. I wish I would have looked in Spotrac for this page earlier. KC has a ton of undeveloped guys that are going to be relied upon next season. I don’t mind some free agency adds in order to solidify a team…but a team comprised of FAs scares the Begeesus out of me.

          • HOMER!! Dave
          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Don’t know why, but this post just showed up. I know, but I don’t see a choice. If we cut 6-8 players that are wasting cap space then that only leaves us with about 35 players under contract for next year. BTW, OTC has 4 more players for 2018 than Spotrac does. With at the most 6 draft selections, we have three choices. keep old guys, bring in FA’s or fill the roster with UDFA’s after the draft.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            right, that’s solid reasoning. My main concern is if the FO tries to move too fast and brings in multiple FAs in order to remain a contender—all the while kicking dead money down the road. I’d rather Kc took it’s lumps for an entire year to get the SC under control. That’s a faster scenario in order to return to being competitive than fielding a team comprised of FAs for too long.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I agree completely. The only issue as I see it is a numbers game. We need a 53 man roster plus a practice squad. Those players have to come from somewhere. If we go into the next league year 20 players short and only 5-6 draft picks, I don’t see that we have a choice.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Yep, I’ve been studying on this a little bit lately, and we aren’t going to have a very strong or deep roster next year. We just don’t have the cap space. Our best alternative is to probably take some chances on a few players that shouldn’t break the bank.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            We’ve seen this before is my worry. I remember players like Stanford route all too well.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Yeah, that’s almost a never ending list, isn’t it. But there are a few that i think could end up being good players. One is Trent Murphy, OLB for the Skins. He had to set out this year because of a knee which should reduce his value, but he looked pretty good his first 3 years.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            I’ll have to look him up.

          • tm1946

            Love your enthusiasm… wow…. Veach is either going to be good enough for the HOF or a disappointment.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            It was not my intent to disillusion, it was to simply illustrate the seemingly uphill battle that Veach faces in trying to reinvent the roster in short order- and how that very well might be impossible to do in a single offseason.

          • tm1946

            Only I believe that is exactly what we need a GM who makes many more better moves than bad one… we are down and 50 good moves and 50 bad ones will not fix anything. I favor your opinion on this 100%

          • Chiefly Bacon

            Not saying I support it, but I’ll actually be somewhat surprised if Chiefs let Wilson go. He’s their most experienced guy. Which is sad to type.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            He fit this year as a security blanket for Smith’s limited ability. Next year will be different and I would be surprised is he is back.

          • Chiefly Bacon

            Hope you’re right. I’m ready for some Marcus Kemp.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            WITH Hill, Conley, Robinson and Chesson, we are in pretty good shape at WR. Now we need someone behind Kelce that can produce consistently.

          • yeah. add Chesson to th list of 4 I provided. That is our WR crew right there: Hill, Conley, Robinson, WIlson and Chesson.

          • which means, he is the Senior WR on the Chiefs. But not the #2 by any means. that says how young the talent is that we depend on. Of course, we will have Hill, Conley, Robinson(improving weekly) and WIlson. They come to camp more mature, a season of the playbook under their belt and more familiar with NFL speed.

        • tm1946

          Talking another rebuild…. 3 – 4 years of Reid saying blame it on me, teams with no more pro bowlers than a punter or kicker, good player (if they can be found in the draft) moving on after first contract… all the time watching the NEs and Pitts, win playoff games and kick our ass more than we would like?

          • Chiefly Bacon

            I’m expecting a mini-rebuild. Take 2018, get the salary cap right, get a year of experience under Mahomes belt, and then push hard in 2019 to get there.

          • tm1946

            dead on target…. 2019 should be another rebirth and 2020 the year of elitism. If it works, this time.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            The one thing these Super Bowl winners all seem to have in common is a “franchise” QB. I can’t say that the Chiefs have one now, but we might be closer than we ever have in 40 years.

          • tm1946

            You are so right, only if we had a young Tom Brady… what would the Chief have…. a young Tom Brady…. for reasons I cannot explain the wheels have not fallen on the cart…the wheels are missing… Chiefs built a cart out of air and fantasy.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Well Brady is just……..Brady, there’s never going to be any duplicating that. I’m thinking Big Ben, Rodgers, Brees or even go back a few years to Elway, Aikman, Montana. Shoot, I would almost settle for a Jim Kelly, never won one but got there 4 straight years.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            I’d love it if that QB was Mahomes, but no matter what I appreciate that the FO is actually trying to find that QB.

    • Delaware Chief

      The special teams have not been quite as good this year, but I think the punt returns are more because of the way they kick the ball to Tyreek. Teams are definitely kicking it higher, out of bounds or away from him because of how dangerous he is. I do think that the kick returns have not been as good, and I would also say in games like Sunday when the Chiefs need a touchdown at the end to win the game that they should put Hill back there which could be a game winner. Coach Reid used to do that on punts with Desean Jackson back in his Eagles days and even got a win against the Gants that way

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        That’s kinda sad isn’t it. We need a TD to win the game and our best option is our kick return guy. We can’t rely on our defense to stop anyone and we can’t rely on our QB to drive the offense down the field for a score. Nope, this team is a mess right now, I believe it was poorly assembled and in some cases poorly coached.

  • tm1946

    Post well written, concise, well thought out…. only…. is that what we are to expect out of this form of entertainment? One time the circus would come to town and people would see the girls, clowns, elephants and the rest… well, the circus is history, its time over. Now we have the internet but it is changing daily to keep current with it users.

    My point? If the Chiefs are going to flounder around year after year….pretty much what they have done since winning only SB…. not sure in today’s view of things there is much need for it. Add we are seeing a change to the NFL, dancing after a 3 yard gain, childish behavior by some, thuggish behavior by others, safety (anyone really worried if our gladiators get hurt or not?). I think you are right but with “acceptance” may come that searching for the next thrill… so we can sit on our chesterfields and not move.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      For me this season was a reminder to think about why I watch football. Do I only watch in hope that Chiefs make it to the super bowl? If that’s the case, I’ll be disappointed more often than not. I have to get back to watching the game because I love it, because the strategy fascinates me, because it’s fun to watch. Found myself getting way too worked up over something that, as amazing as it is, is still just a game. There’s still a lot that needs fixing in the NFL. Maybe someday I’ll cringe to think I supported it, but for now, as long as they’re trying to make it safer, I can’t help but watch because I love the game.

      • tm1946

        Safety is a separate issue and do not pretend to be PC about it. If we could still have gladiators chopping each other up with sword and spears…. Arrowhead would still be packed.

        Guess my issue has changed…. I have a real issue with the way I view America and the way many other do….because of that, I have stopped watching the NFL… that’s right… all those hours at the old field down town and Arrowhead, all those hours watching other teams on tv, sort of wasted. Used to love football but as I got older and current environment, college and HS and the Chiefs are enough…. only the Chief seem to be regressing into the crappers they were most of the time.

  • ladner morse

    Marvelous bit of writing Ransom! You keep outdoing yourself.

  • PaulFromNorthMo

    i’m afraid our Smith to Jacksonville ship has sailed without Smith aboard. Especially now with Eli probably joining the off-season Uhaul caravan. I wonder if the Browns would consider a trade, with all of the draft picks they have, plus the most cap space of any team, they could draft a QB early, and still trade for Smith to let their new QB sit and learn for a year or two. That could be a win/win situation. I’m not sure Smith is still worth a 2nd rounder, but Cleveland has three of them next year.

    • HOMER!! Dave

      the QB carousal will likely continue next season. I keep thinking back to last season when QBs were taken often and early in the offseason. I don’t think this year will be much different in that regard.
      Cleveland
      Pittsburg
      Jacksonville
      Giants
      Arizona
      Jets
      Denver
      New England
      Colts
      and soooo many more will likely be looking for QBs to either start or add depth.

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        And with this next draft class not tuning out as prophesied, the trade wheels might be spinning at a high rate of speed. But on the other hand, how many teams want old retreads instead of trying to hit on a new young passer.
        In all honesty, the Chiefs themselves have taught the rest of the league over the past 30 years that running out others castoffs just doesn’t work.

        • HOMER!! Dave

          I bet the spending on QBs this upcoming draft is going to be just plain nuts because you’re absolutely correct that this supposedly crazy good draft class will likely churn out way less talent at QB than thought. Who knows though? Maybe this year’s class WILL be above average…and then hopefully we see multiple teams WAAAAAY overpay for a la the Rams and Redskins of the past.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Yeah, SF trading for Garopolo, may have been the smartest in-season move. Lynch could reap a huge payoff for someone wanting to move up.

  • ladner morse
    • HOMER!! Dave

      those two are funny

  • freshmeat62

    I see you’re all coming around to what I was saying before this season started. They were depending too much on a bunch of old and injured people coming back and having career years. Also thinking Peters is a ‘shutdown corner’, because he isn’t. He’s a part time player that came on like a sensation, but now teams are catching on to his game.

    I guess my biggest surprise is how badly the o-line has come along. I didn’t think they were elite by any stretch, but I thought they were at least average. They’re not. But I can’t just pick on the o-line, this team has a bunch of holes, and not a lot of spirit.

    I think Houston is OK, it’s just the way they use him, and he really doesn’t have much around him. I was hoping Jones would be a force, but he seems to have plateaued.

    I’m also tired of hearing about who should have been taken instead of Joe Blow. If they had done this instead of that, then something else might have happened. Woulda, coulda, shoulda is dreaming about a past that isn’t doing any good. I prefer thinking about the present and future. That is ‘spilt milk’ as in ‘don’t cry over spilt milk’. It’s done, don’t worry about it, move on. I’m not saying don’t study history, but most what I see here is ‘moaning’ rather than ‘studying’.

    Also, I think it’s cute how Thorman over at AP still seems to think the Chiefs have a snowballs chance.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      I agree with some of what you say, I think this team did overachieve the first 5 games, but coming off the bye week, they should never have lost three straight.
      We do have a snowballs chance, mathematically speaking! Realistically, not so much.

      • freshmeat62

        And I have 1 chance in about 500 million of winning the lottery. I think I’d rather take my chances of buying a lottery ticket.

        • HOMER!! Dave

          haha, THAT confident, huh?

    • tm1946

      Guess this is part of acceptance. LOL

      West of Topeka it is 19 degrees…..so a snowball still has a chance. But watch out, AP can give you diabetes about all things Chiefs.

  • ladner morse
    • freshmeat62

      Yes, yes, yes! Do it while he still has some value.

      • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

        We are going to see a completely different team next year aren’t we?

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          We have too. I know you’re a fan of Dorsey, but this is a screwed up mess, especially the cap.

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            So probably no Smith, Hali, DJ….maybe Peters and Ford…..who else you think?

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I would add Parker, Bailey, Harris and Revis.

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            Parker?
            That one surprises me, he is having a slight down year, but he has been pretty solid for us.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Personal thing with me, the clown always goes for the big hit and doesn’t wrap up and tackle. Way too many whiffs. A good tackler in his spot would have made a huge difference last week.

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            I did notice last week, when Kitna hit that receiver for that loooong bomb down the right side that Parker had plenty of time to read that and it seem like he was just jogging over that direction.

          • tm1946

            Careful, most – if they can walk on the field will be with the Chiefs next year. I figure 4 draft picks, on roster but only 1 or 2 will play all that much, the 2017 draft will have to play if any talent at all, usual suspects will all be out there and we will be filled with hope they will figure out how to “help” as starters and 1st backups. Also might add 2 -3 free agents from the 2nd or 3rd level (you know, sign them after the first rush of top level guys are gone…. because management is so smart).

          • HOMER!! Dave

            no roster can be maintained for any great length of time, the franchises that ARE competitive nearly every year have one thing in common.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Nah, time for careful has passed I think. If we’re talking about blowing it up, then lets blow it to hell and gone.

          • HOMER!! Dave
          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Heck yeah, no sense going half-arsed.

          • tm1946

            Just you and me on the internet…. truthfully, you think Clark Hunt will blow up this team…. that is what it would take, the owner to say – screw it, dump/trade everybody you got and start over….not really his style, is it?

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            No, I’d say we are stuck with Reid and Veach for three more years at least. I’m just talking about the players, getting rid of the old, high dollar guys and the ones that don’t produce and rebuild the roster.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            I don’t agree with that one…Clark has done it 3 times now. Pioli/Haley, Crennel, Dorsey….Hunt is not afraid to start anew.

          • tm1946

            Not really, he made a speech about less patience and….. and smired some patch but kept most of the usual players on roster… no mass dumping of more than 1 -2 starters and usual churning of bottom 1/3rd as usual.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            I believe there was like 70-80% roster change with Pioli year one, pretty uneventful the RAC year, but there was a huge turnover when Dorsey came on also…I forget the percentage. Seeing as how only Houston/DJ/Berry/Colquit/ and maybe one or two others survived the Pioli years…I would say it’s a huge percentage also.

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            Just my opinion of course, but I think Dorsey’s beef was Reid having too much say in everybody’s job.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I have no idea on that. What I see is a weak roster and a screwed up cap.

        • HOMER!! Dave

          it’s looking as the AO consensus says that we will see different teams in both 2018 AND 2019.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            And we are always right, aren’t we! lol

          • HOMER!! Dave

            until proven wrong, duh! lol.

        • tm1946

          I like the idea but how? We will need 2018 to repair damage to cap, lesser draft successes and the 2017 draft to get playing time…. Next year suspect we will see the usual suspects, those on the roster right now or PUP/IR. AND they better play real well… then the next rebuild can get started (suppose this means Mahomes is the first of rebuilders).

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            I’ve never been a Cap Knowledgeable guy, but I believe with the release of Smith, DJ and Hali we open up a crap load of space.

          • tm1946

            Thought about this (19 degrees here, what else can I do) but Hali may retire and try for another year with another team, Smith is gone only because Mahomes is sitting there and no one will want the heat of the new star not playing… DJ depends on how Sutton sees ILB working out with Ragland and whoever the other guy will be… how much money is beyond my grasp.

        • freshmeat62

          I’d give the odds about 75-25 that Reid WILL be back next year. There are so many holes on this team that need help that I think it is impossible to field a winning team next year. And w/ only 2,3,4, and 6 rd draft picks, and I don’t see any comps coming this year.

          They’ll be calling Kansas City, Cleveland West for the next several years.

          • tm1946

            Keeping Reid might be the only saving grace with this roster (no, I cannot believe I am saying that either). He could HC a bunch of sub standard players and still provide some entertainment for fans… love those passes by a non QB to a OL.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            ugh, no more non-QB throws if you please.

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        But to a team in the NFC, no way to the Raiders.

        • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

          That’s where his wish list is though

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Too effing bad!

          • HOMER!! Dave

            lol

          • freshmeat62

            Agree! If he wants to go there so bad he can play out his contract, which ends next year, and go there as a FA.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I all honesty, next year is his 4th year on his rookie deal. Then we have the 5th year option since he was a 1st round pick, And then we could franchise tag him for two more years after that. He could be made a Chief through 2021.

          • tm1946

            Ugly thought

          • HOMER!! Dave

            yup, there is zero need to get in any hurry as to future in/out of KC.

          • freshmeat62

            Good grief! You just made a bad day worse.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Nah, it’s a little chilly, but the sun is shining here.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Having trouble finding verification but it sounds as if Cooper passed concussion protocol. He’ll be looking to feast Sunday.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      IMO Cooper isn’t all that scary, he doesn’t track the ball well and he drops too many passes. I still think Crabtree is their best WR. BTW does Crabtree play this week? I lost track of his suspension time.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        “Unless successfully appealed, Crabtree will miss games against the New York Giants and Kansas City Chiefs and Talib will miss games against the Miami Dolphins and New York Jets. Both will be eligible to return to their respective active rosters on Dec. 11.”

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          That may have played into Reid’s decision to bench Peters.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            lol, so could have Peters acting like a jack-ass.

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      Old butterfingers is being activated?
      Yes!!

      • HOMER!! Dave

        he’s gonna need a wider jersey, or smaller font size.

        • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

          Lol!!

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Looks like Reid is saying that Ford is day to day with his back problems. I still believe that Houston’s ineffectiveness this year stems from not having a counterpart….but it’s a sad day when I wish Ford was back on the field in KC.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      I hope Ford sits the rest of the year. That 5th year contract is only guaranteed against injury. We need him healthy to cut his worthless butt.

      • Tazmosis

        WE NEED FORD BACK ON THE FIELD FOR ONE PLAY……SO HE CAN BE CUT. CAN’T CUT HIM IF HE IS INJURED, RIGHT?

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          I don’t think he has to be on the field to prove him healthy. If we put him in and he does get hurt again, then we’re screwed.

    • tm1946

      Will need him and Houston and Dadi next year… not enough outside players to cover all our needs in 2018…. Some spots – the old veterans will play or else.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        Dadi is suspect, imho. He wasn’t overly effective in his limited snaps as-to-date…I hope he pans out but I am far from sold on him.

        • tm1946

          He is a body, should know the play book by now.. if healthy, we will be past desperate for bodies….. BODIES.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Yeah, I’m afraid next year we might be trotting out a lot of players that would have trouble making good teams practice squads. But then, they can hardly play worse than we’re seeing now.

        • Chiefly Bacon

          Haven’t really had enough of a chance to see. I think he was hurt in his first year. Could be ok, could be bad, just too early to tell.

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      That…..and it’s not a contract year….

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  • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

    So…..what will we get for Smith?

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      Who needs him the most?

      • HOMER!! Dave

        Colts?

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        Maybe Browns, they have the cap space and the draft picks. They could rent Smith and draft there future both.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Depends on how he and the team finish the year. A 3rd, maybe a 2nd. But I might be dreaming.

      • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

        Alex Smith:
        3,239 passing yards
        23 TDs
        4 INTs
        305 rushing yards
        1 rush TD
        With 4 more games to play.
        Right there with the top QBs in the league……Chiefs fans treating him like dirt.
        I hope he go’s to a team that appreciates the man………I’ll be rooting for him.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          This comment makes you sound angry? I think most Chiefs fans have supported Smith right up to and including this year. Most of us wanted to see this team excel, but after this last draft, the writing is on the wall.

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            I suppose it does….mainly I was just pointing out the reasons why another team would be glad to employ him.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      Honestly, not much. Even if a team does think of him as a quality QB, he’s in the last year of his contract, and teams know Chiefs won’t keep him. Might get a 5th from someone who wants to be first in line, might also get no takers and have to cut him. If you want max compensation for him, you’d have to carry him into the season and then trade him to a desperate team without a starter. Kinda like the Bradford to Vikings trade.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Haha, I just received like 12 notifications on my twitter feed for defending the Peters’ suspension. I thought they were all going to be negative, lol, nope…ALL positive. That’s a first.

    • tm1946

      No Pride people then?

      • HOMER!! Dave

        Oh, heck, I dunno. Are they all cussing the suspension or something?

        • tm1946

          Borrowing from a different site’s writer…. Peter’s actions meant nothing and fans are upset over nothing.

          Pride is more ….. OMG, OMG… what will we do without him Sunday… where do I go to cut my wrists… some few say good, glad someone did something.

          Pride may well have been started by those who felt the Chiefs have done nothing wrong since moving to KC. IMO

          • HOMER!! Dave

            lol, this honestly has me laughing hard right now.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      It’s funny. I was less upset at what Peters did than many, but also not upset about the suspension. Yet, I’ve talked with a couple people who are mad about the suspension.

      • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

        I am mad about him missing the game Sunday, but I am a discipline guy, I think he needed to be suspended.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    I wish that reporters, when speaking of draft success, would include where these successfully drafting teams are drafting at on average. Cleveland and Jacksonville keep on receiving praise for their oh-so-great drafts but they have been drafting near the top for years on end now.

    Here's Sashi Brown's last two NFL Drafts. Our of his 24 picks, 20 might be multi-year NFL contributors. That's an ABSURD success rate.Plus, they have 2018 Draft 1st and two 2nds coming.If not for ownership, this would be the most coveted GM job in recent memory. #Browns pic.twitter.com/WpSH65ewy8— Eric Galko (@OptimumScouting) December 7, 2017

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      It looks good on paper anyway, not a lot there that’s proven. I just have trouble giving a lot of credit to a team that is 4-40 in the past three years.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        same same.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    For a month, a search firm has been vetting former #Chiefs GM John Dorsey, a rare accomplished GM who is available. #Browns are open now.— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) December 7, 2017

  • Well… are we there yet? {acceptance?}… Things to keep in mind(from post below)

    Wilson — good enough to be tendered(I guess)
    DAT – dearly departed. Really has little contribution to make
    Fulton – Guard/Center or come up with a cheaper b/u for Morse
    Logan – Questioning — playing well but the Front 3 needs “something”
    RNR – Tier support, DL
    Bray – From Below. Bray is the #3 QB. We need a solid number 2. Can he be that guy?
    —> why? Because Alex Smith will be playing in Denver

    Color who Gone? numbers by cap hit, and release cost to dead money – 2018 numbers. 184m anticipated, over the cap by 2.5m.

    Houston – 20.6 cap hit

    Alex Smith – [20.6m], release 3.6m /// cap hit – I am not a detractor — cap money and Mahomes in background; trading Smith gets no dead money At worst? 16m in cap savings… trade is even better.

    Berry – [13m]

    Tamba Hali [.7m] – too much money, too little contributed, release=1.7m

    Fisher [13.5], release prohibitive

    DJ – [10.25m] – I hate, really hate to say this, but age &injury has caught up with him, release = 2.25m

    Ford [8.7m] – We need him as the #3 OLB at the very least(Where is #2 , or whom?), release=0.

    Colquitt [4.5m, 2017]- 14th season next year. Money? – huge contribution to S/T success, FA, Release=0.

    LD-T [5.3m], release= way prohibitive

    Bailey [8m], release=2m

    Schwartz [7.7m], release 4.2m

    Parker [7.7m], release=2m

    Sorensen – [4.8m], release=3m

    Revis [4.5m], release=0

    Mahomes [3.7m]

    Gaines – time to go
    Acker – didn’t pan out
    Sherman – I like him, but what would we say(we don’t use FB & S/T is big effect)
    Zombo – has been solid for KC, l#3 or 4 OLB & S/T – see above
    West – not enough to keep, but not good enough for #3 RB
    DAT – time to find another team, not much of a contribution
    Mitchell – okay CB but not #2 CB
    Hunt(#31) – cheap enough
    (other FA, 2018: Charles, Devey, Terrell, Jenkins, KP-L)

    • one year cost for all other players is below 4m in cap hit

    • HOMER!! Dave

      am I reading your post correctly? Your willing to let go of all those listed?

      • I was illustrating the problem.

        And it is a big problem.

        Let’s start with Al Smith, Tamba Hali, and DJ. That is a decent buy back in cap money. Oh. We are starting with 5.6m in dead money anyway, for 2 players.

        But who is necessary in this list. We are 2.x million over the 2018 cap. That can shift dramatically, but keep Al Smith? That is my choice as I am seeing that Mahomes could take over but we are not going anywhere next year if that is the case. and as I noted, I am not an Al Smith detractor.

        If you subtract Al’s 16.x mil in cap buy back by releasing, that is minimum. The other option is to trade him(which is probably likely to happen). But that probably gives us 14 mil in cap space, covering the over the cap amount for the roster in other words. Deeper cuts are required, so consider the rest of my observatoin:

        keep Hali? Why? 2 years of little or no contribution. Without Hali at top form, Houston’s effectiveness is reduced. Can For be that guy in 2018? He shot his mouth off in pre-season, didn’t play til after game 8. He is not himself even so. DJ either. DJ’s age has caught up with him. Unless a miracle happens in rehab, strengthening and losing 10 pounds occurs, I don’t see the point. He could be a huge trade/bargaining chip. Why is that necessary? We only have Picks 2,3,4&6. Tough to get what is needed with that.

        At that point, you have to consider that the Chiefs would be better off with a 4-3. We do have the people to man that, and consider that DJ is captain and leader and whether he is a fit for the 43. Ditto Justin Houston. He would go to DE in a 43. Doesn’t mean he has to have his knuckles in the grass.

        Zombo and Sherman are big time players and leaders esp. on S/Teams.
        Colquitt isn’t done but he is a F/A and we have to see what his cost is
        with a new contract. He also is crucial to S/T.

        The others below? No big gain but the occupation of a roster spot.

        Gaines, Acker, West, DAT, Charles, Devey, Terrell, Jenkins and maybe even KP-L.

        • HOMER!! Dave

          Oh, I get that you are illustrating the salary cap problem…but I agree that some bleeding must be caused and I cannot see any way out of this cap situation without making real, deep, cuts to the roster.

          That said, if I am reading this correctly, you would rather continue to build a roster around Alex Smith than Mahomes. I know I am a Mahomey and all, but building a roster around Smith has been attempted for 5 years now and has been proven cost prohibitive- and that is just the top of the barrel.

          • I am a realist, so if Al has to go, then that is what will happen. BUT: Al and Mahomes is a pretty cheap 1-2 at this point. Plus I would rather see PM break in 2019 or 20, not 2018. Look at it this way: Smith is going to set his own records in 2017. He is a top QB(not elite, but one of the top QBs, say in the top 10). His W-L record is among the top 5. Look at any other team with such a QB and who is cut, released, traded or retired? Discount Eli, then you have to look at Dallas right?

            But if we are going to ‘retool’, then realistically, you go with PM and build from there. Keep in mind, I think PM will be among the top QBs in the NFL when it is said and done. Here? Think Rodgers first 3 years….

            If we have to retool, consider who are the team has to make up top players, and observers say it takes 10.
            They don’t have to be all pro every year. But playmakers who make things work.

            s Subtract Al Smith and go from there: Kelce, Hill and Hunt on offense. That is 3 men.

            I am not a big subtractor about the OL — it is better rated(PFF for example) than the fans think. We are still missing a guard. But LD-T, Morse, Fish and Schwartz are pretty good league wise.

            If you retool the OL to bulldozers? We have Fulton and ???? The OL is feet and speed, not tandem road-graders… So add Fish, LD-T, Morse to the list.

            that is 6.

            On defense: Peters, Berry. That is 8. Houston is 9.

            now, DJ was tops at ILB but not this year. I question whether he can ever be what he was in the past. Far better, unless a miracle happens for 2018(his contract year), the we still only have 9. If the observers are right, and you need 10, then we are close but not enough. With Al, we have 10 to continue to build around.

            Mahomes is not considered — he is indeed a question mark but has not had a game yet.

  • Chiefly Bacon

    This makes more sense. Chiefs didn’t suspend Kelce for the flag toss, so makes sense they wouldn’t do the same for Peters.

    A little more clarification on Peters: Chiefs coach Andy Reid suspended him for walking off field, not flag toss: https://t.co/hlviBRJnmY— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) December 7, 2017

    • tm1946

      Interesting…. noticed site quoting Peters tweet comment – LOL. Seems real contrite, this will redirect his attitude.

      There is all kinds of spin on this “incident”. Truth…. Peters will not play Sunday. What it means… like his incident, probably will not effect the outcome of the game all that much. AND Reid is getting credit for being a “proper”, tough HC…. Know what, this will pass.

  • tm1946

    ArrowheadAddict, Matt Conor (sp) has finally gotten the last word the silliness that is Peters and his non event…. It is the fault of the fans and if they would quit putting kindling on this fire…. all would be good. Needless to say, I would disagree with him.

  • jimfromkcj

    Until the Chiefs and you guys admit that the Chiefs have a cap problem that inhibits every move they make, the Chiefs will continue their mediocre ways. I have been saying for years that the Chiefs are over paid and are less talented than what you all think they are. The Chiefs just don’t seem to have the balls to do what is necessary to field a team capable of winning against the better teams in the league. The solution, well you have to place a number at each position and stick to it. No way is Houston worth 20 plus mill a year, and there is no way Berry is worth 13 mill a year when he has been out for so many games and still struggles to cover the top TE’s. And you could go on and on like paying Fisher top 10 money when he plays like middle of the pack at his position. The cap is so screwed up that a washed up player like Hali would cost too much dead money to let go. He hasn’t contributed much for 2 years. If Clark wants to run an old folks home, I guess you could understand it, but until they take a look at the Raiders an see how they got rid of their overpaid over the hill players, I don’t see why we waste our time with this team..

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Ian Rapoport is reporting that the Cleveland #Browns are eyeing former #Chiefs GM John Dorsey. Time for everyone to fire up the Alex Smith/Marcus Peters to Cleveland hot takes.— Farzin Vousoughian (@Farzin21) December 7, 2017

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Raiders WR Amari Cooper (ankle) declined locker-room interview request. But he’s walking without a discernible limp. Yet to practice this week. Team has session Friday before flight to KC.— Michael Gehlken (@GehlkenNFL) December 7, 2017

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Raiders Thursday injury report pic.twitter.com/MSzvDyc8wW— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) December 7, 2017

  • HOMER!! Dave

    LB Tamba Hali joined the group not practicing today. Might be due to move indoors on turf. Morse, Ford, Murray and Peters did not practice. Allen Bailey back on limited basis.— Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) December 7, 2017

    • tm1946

      Zombo will play iron man…. or maybe KPass will get the odd rep.

      • Laurels and limitations

        Zombo will continue to get the nod, he hasn’t been bad…just hasn’t been great.

        • tm1946

          One step behind but all we have…. for most of this season.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Peters is not allowed to practice due to his suspension, that’s just the way this works….this Hali debacle is a mess though.

  • Laurels and limitations

    We placed LB Dee Ford on injured reserve. We signed Free Agent DT Justin Hamilton. pic.twitter.com/p6cfeeB6Tp— Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) December 8, 2017

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      Who?

      • Laurels and limitations

        lol, Dee Ford, starting ROLB for the KC Chiefs. Guess I can’t fault you for not knowing who he is, he hasn’t played for Kc since 2016. J/K of course!!!!! No idea who the replacement guy is.

    • tm1946

      Hope Ford can get the med help so he can return next year.

  • Chiefs-Kings-A’s
    • tm1946

      Just for fun…. I want the OC who did NOT call the pass to the OL replacing Kelce….LOL…. not that it matter that much.

      • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

        Haha! True…..that just made us look desperate and amateur-ish

    • Laurels and limitations

      I likey the idea of Reid handing off duties but at the same time I’m not comfortable with a quick strike offense coupled with a BBDB defense. As bad as it is to say, with the current state of the KC defense, the offense needs to take more time yet remain just as effective in scoring as the last game.

      • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

        I agree with this

  • Laurels and limitations

    Browns reached agreement with former Chiefs GM John Dorsey to become Cleveland’s new GM, sources tell @mortreport and me.— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 8, 2017

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      Lucky them

      • Laurels and limitations

        Haha, not sure if cereal…..

        • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

          Huh? I’m not sure if it’s cereal either.

          • Laurels and limitations

            that’s not-so-new-age for ‘serious’.

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            Ah….I’m cereal exhausted tonight….sorry for being slow.

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      I wonder if the Browns will make a run at Smith then………not sure if Smith was Dorsey’s guy though or just Reid’s

      • Laurels and limitations

        They cold use some solidity at the position for once. How long has it been, the 1986 Kosar led team?

        • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

          Since Marty

          • Laurels and limitations

            Was Marty there the same time as Bernie? Man, it’s been a day or two.

          • tm1946

            Showing my age but as I recall football was a lot better in those days… oh, yeah, Chiefs were bad, back then.

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            Yes….although Marty left first

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