Broken Colts Curses, Crappy No-Calls, and Quarterback Controversies

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Broken Colts Curses, Crappy No-Calls, and Quarterback Controversies

 

 

 

It has been two years, nine months and 26 days since the Kansas City Chiefs held a third quarter lead of 38-10 against Andrew Luck and the Indianapolis Colts in the Wildcard Game of the 2013 playoffs. We all know what happened next on that January day. The Colts won that game 45-44 and most of us have never been the same. The Colts curse was very real on that day. 

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But that wasn’t the only time the Colts have sucked the life out of the Chiefs and their fans.

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If you go back to January 11, 2004 the Colts broke the will of the red and gold faithful in the famous “no punt” game that featured more offense than most knew what to do with, but absolutely no defense whatsoever. In fact, even though the Colts aren’t a “rival” of the Chiefs, given their history, it almost feels like it sometimes.

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These two teams have been involved in some doozies, and generally the Colts have come out on top. This is especially true within the confines of Lucas Oil Stadium. In fact, since the NFL merger in 1970–and before today–the Colts are 16-8 (including the playoffs) against the Chiefs and 6-1 when they play in the Hoosier State. For whatever reason, the blue and white ponies have consistently had the Chiefs’ number time and time again.

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That all changed today.

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As of today’s game, only 10 of the players who were active today were active on that day over two and a half years ago. If any of those players–including quarterback Alex Smith, linebackers Tamba Hali and Derrick Johnson, and safety Eric Berry–felt that monkey on their back, they didn’t show it. In fact, there was little-to-no resemblance to that wild wildcard game, aside from one thing. The injuries.

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If you remember that playoff game–yeah, I know I’m bringing up painful memories again–running back Jamaal Charles went out in the opening minutes when his head bounced off the astroturf-covered floor of Lucas Oil. The same thing happened to Smith today on a play that should have probably been flagged. In fact, it happened twice. Here’s a look at the first time.

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As you can see from the GIF, Smith’s head visibly bounces off the turf. When Smith stood up following the play, the look on his face said “I like cheese and I live on Mars.” However after being checked and run through the “concussion protocol”, he was cleared to resume play. Which he did. 

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I commented about the hit on Twitter, saying I felt the turf at Lucas Oil was prone to injuring players. I would love to post the tweet for you all to see, but I was pretty fired up and used some language that isn’t conducive to a family website, so I’ll spare you. Apparently, I wasn’t the only one who thought that. Here is one tweet I can show you. 

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Essentially the all-pro defensive back–who also kicked cancer’s ass–is saying the same thing I did via “The People’s Reporter” Terez Paylor. The turf is thinner. As in there isn’t as much padding. As in when players helmets bounce off the ground, concussions come at a bit of a higher rate. In fact, Smith wasn’t the only player to suffer from some scrambled eggs in his nugget yesterday. Chiefs’ starting running back Spencer Ware also left the game with a concussion as well as players from the home field Colts.

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That’s not okay. But to add insult to injury–pun definitely intended–after Smith came back out onto the field and threw a touchdown pass to Maclin, the Colts knew they had him on the ropes. They saw the birds flying around his noggin like Elmer Fudd when Bugs Bunny hits him with a sledgehammer. After already bouncing his head off the concrete floor once, the defense knew it wouldn’t take much to send him to the locker room again. Thus, I give you the knockout punch.

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If the first “no-call” was questionable, this was downright deliberate. The defender, free safety Clayton Geathers, takes two hands and pushes Smith’s head into the concrete. But don’t take my word for it. The proof is right there. If that wasn’t a deliberately dirty play, I don’t know what is. He should have been ejected for this and should definitely be fined by the league. But further, that official stood there and watched the whole thing go down and didn’t bother to take his flag out of his pocket. What a joke.

 

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Once Smith exited the game at this point, Nick Foles who signed with Chiefs as a free agent on August 4 because he liked playing for Reid entered the game for a second time. Foles had already led a field goal drive as well as hitting tight end Travis Kelce for a big touchdown pass. The lanky signal-caller added another touchdown to his score card–this time a long pass to an uncovered Tyreek Hill–as well as a couple of field goal drives.

 

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Foles looked good in his Chiefs debut. He did exactly what a backup quarterback should do. He came in during a time of need, he scored some points and he allowed the playmakers on the offense to do what they do best. He was a steady hand and let the Chiefs break this curse and walk out of Indy with a much needed win–their their third in a row.

 

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I said all that to say this:

 

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There is absolutely, positively, 100 percent, no quarterback controversy in Kansas City.

 

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If you think there is, you’re just not paying attention. Head coach Andy Reid has said time and time again that this team belongs to perennial starter Alex Smith. That should be the definitive answer, but leave it to the Kansas City “faithful” to take the opportunity of Smith’s concussion to come out of the woodwork and call for his replacement by backup Nick Foles.

 

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I’m not going to bore, enrage, nor entertain with you tweets from “Twitter Analysts” who believe Foles is the future of the Chiefs’ franchise. Maybe he is, but as long as Smith is healthy in 2016, Foles will continue to carry the clipboard and assist Alex with his weekly preparation. What I am going to do is provide you with facts.

 

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With Alex Smith as the starting quarterback, the Chiefs are 46-20 (including playoffs) since the beginning of 2013. They are 1-2 in the playoffs. They are 15-2 in regular season games since Week 7 of last year. They haven’t lost at Arrowhead since the Kansas City Royals were in the World Series.

 

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I get it that football is a team sport and those stats are attributed to to every member of the 53-man roster in Kansas City. But the quarterback is the most important position on the field and I don’t care what anybody says, a quarterback’s win/loss record is a very real thing. 

 

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Andy Reid is not Jim Harbaugh. About the only thing they have in common is their ability to get decent production out of their signal-callers. Reid is not going to pull the guy who has won game in and game out for the Chiefs for a guy who is slightly younger and can throw the ball a little bit farther. He knows Alex Smith gives the Chiefs the best opportunity to win in January and February.

 

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If Alex is healthy, he plays. 

 

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There is no quarterback controversy in Kansas City. But there is winning football. That starts and ends with Alex Smith. 

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  • berttheclock

    What amazed me about the first non-call and the second was even more egregious, although that involved a different ref, was the fact Craig Wrolstad the ref for this crew had called the most roughing the passer penalties of any referee in the NFL this season. Yet, somehow, he stood there and did not throw a flag. The other call was by a line judge and what in the freakin’ world was he observing at the moment? However, the most egregious part of that second play was the fact the Reid-Childress duo called Alex Smith to run in the first place. That was criminal.

    The turf at Lucas Oil Stadium is horrible. It reminds me of a comment made by Tommy Prothro when he was the HC of the LA Rams. Someone asked him what it was like to play on the new artificial turf which had become the rage to install. He told the person to take a rug out and place it over his concrete driveway, then, fall on it.

    • berttheclock

      BTW, the umpire (Number 31) who failed to flag Geathers is Barry Anderson, from North Carolina State. He threw the flag 11 times yesterday, five against the Colts for 45 yards and six against the Chiefs for 40 yards.

    • Both should have been flagged. the Helmet to helmet on a QB slide is inexcusable. The 2nd foul was flagrant. both should have resulted in ejection.

      • berttheclock

        I was just reading about Ed Hochuli’s crew working the Seahawks-Saints game. The Seahawks were flagged for a block in the back when a Seahawk player reached out and touched the back of a Saints player. Yet, later, a Saints player blasted into the back of a Seahawk driving him out of bounds and allowing a Saints runner to race up the sidelines. No call. It is this lack of consistency which really gets to me.

        • The ruling on Kelce’s catch is just plain misapplication of their own rule. he had control, he stepped out of bounds, with the ball in control. At that point, the play is over.

  • berttheclock

    Following the terrible performance or non-performance by the defense against the Steelers, I called for the Sutton to be replaced ASAP. However, following that game, Sutton has really turned this defense around and has limited 3 excellent QBs in a row. This AM Lyle Graversen has awarded Sutton kudos for yesterday’s performance and I agree with him. Sutton did adjust and he has had to mix and match various players, several of whom are rookies. Those rookies have been forced to be forged by fire, but, their increased respective snaps are starting to pay off for the team.

    In addition, Lyle gave a huge Kudo to Dorsey for building the much needed depth. Again, I agree.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      This game was the best overall coaching we’ve seen from the Chiefs all year.

    • mnelson52

      I agree with all you said. I see improvement and guys getting much needed snaps. I do however think the defense is shaded a little by the fact that our offense has been playing weak defenses that has helped keep those good offenses off of the field. I’m ready to see how they do when they play a team pretty good on both sides of the ball. If the Panthers keep playing like they did yesterday, we may find out soon.

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        Maybe what’s happening is our opponents are finding out what it’s like to play a team that is good on both sides of the ball. The Panthers just might be the ones getting the lesson.

  • berttheclock

    Get rid of him. He is a bust. Bench him or trade him or better yet, just cut him. How many posters have written such about the fellow who happens to be the leading sack master of the current KC Chiefs, one Dee Ford? Yesterday, he had 3 and one half sacks. Bill Cowher used to say it takes about 4 solid years for any player to learn how to play OLB in a 3-4 defense properly.

    Although, he had no tackles or assists, I did see Sutton put Dadi in the game late to take some snaps and give Hali some rest. One step at a time for the young man.

    • tm1946

      I am one. But heck, I am wrong more than right. I do wonder if, just maybe, Ford’s development was not hindered but decisions to let him sit on the sidelines and “learn.”

    • mnelson52

      Not sure how he will look the rest of the year, but Ford is on pace for 16 sacks.

    • Frank Leggio

      While I do think Ford is improving, getting too giddy about his performance against the Colts is premature. First 6 games of the year he had a total of 3.5, now he gets 3.5 vs the Colts. I hope he continues the progression and accelerates it.

      • Ford is what he was drafted to be. His swap of positions and that from 3 fingers in the turf to NFL OLB took some time. He showed his inside move in this game. Secondly, I think too many of us are high on critique about things and jump to too many conclusions. Of course though, Ia m correct about Bert Wilson and y’all should accept my judgement. Not Harris though, dai-knows-best(or dai-know-it-all). 🙂

    • KCMikeG

      Ford will get even better when Houston draws the top priority role and Hali will play fewer snaps making him last deeper into the season. Nirvana approaching.

  • berttheclock

    BTW, the safety, Clayton Geathers, who pushed the head of Alex Smith into the turf is strong. He is six one, weighs 215 pounds and at the 2015 NFL Combine, he bench pressed 22 times, the second most of any safety being tested. He was a 4th round pick from the University of South Florida and was taken several slots below the Chiefs taking Nelson.

    • tm1946

      Be surprised if the league will not be sending him a love note this week

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        They really should be. The ref with the flag stuck in his pocket should get one as well.

        • mnelson52

          should have been fines for hitting Smith last week also.

          • Laurels and limitations

            it’s nearly league wide

  • Chiefly Bacon

    It’s far too early to declare Foles the starter Chiefs need. A defense game-plans for the QB they are going to face. Plenty of backup QBs have good games because the opposing coordinator can’t adjust fast enough. That said, next week could be a totally different story. There’s plenty of tape out there on Foles, so Jaxonville will be prepared for him. The Jaguars are nothing close to a good team, but their head coach is a good defensive mind. If Foles has weaknesses, you can bet they will be exploited. If Foles plays lights out against the Jags, it might not be enough for him to win the starting job this year, but you can bet that Chiefs will give serious consideration to him next year. If Smith ends up missing two weeks and Foles balls out again vs the Panthers, then you have an honest to goodness QB controversy on your hands.

    • berttheclock

      What really surprised me about the play of Foles was how quickly he appeared to shake off the rust. Began a bit off, but, picked up his game.

      • Chiefly Bacon

        Foles was playing really well. If Refs hadn’t screwed Kelcie out of a catch, Foles stats would be even better.

        • berttheclock

          Terrible rule. Kelce was already out of bounds. That is nonsense about a player having to control the ball to the ground even if he is out of bounds.

    • huh?

    • berttheclock

      In late 1965, Cool Lenny was injured and Pete Beatherd took his place and did well. In fact over the off season, there were many fans in KC who wanted Beatherd to remain as the starter heading into the 1966 season. However, Beatherd was a Don Klosterman guy and Lenny was Stram’s guy. Stram prevailed and Beatherd was soon traded off to the Oilers.

      • Chiefly Bacon

        The thing that scares me is the Elvis Grbac Rich Gannon situation. Suppose Smith stays out for a while and Foles is far more productive, do Chiefs bite the bullet and move on with the whiz kid, or stay loyal to the veteran and risk a less explosive offense in the playoffs. Obviously it’s too soon for that comparison, but maybe not for long.

      • Laurels and limitations

        back in 1997 KC’s starting QB was injured and the back-up QB played admirably enough to put the team in a playoff position, the starter came back and was thrust into the starting role and the season ended badly. The back-up QB went on to win a Super Bowl, as MVP iirc, while the other guy cemented his place in history as a mediocre (at best) QB.

        • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

          A little different scenario….Gannon was replaced by Grbac as the playoffs were about to begin after Gannon had been leading the team for quite a while which was a stupid move by Marty……Foles will be filling in for Smith for just a short time in the middle of the season.

          Gannon went on to win a SB?

          • Laurels and limitations

            with Oakland. I’m not saying that there is a QB controversy right now, but if Smith is out for any good amount of time and Foles excels, there is the very real possibility of one.

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            Well, I will agree with it if Foles is indeed playing all the way to the end of the season in Smith’s place, then yeah, he should continue on if he is indeed tearing it up.
            Gannon had a SB “appearance ” with Oakland, but he didn’t win shit.

          • Laurels and limitations

            crap my bad, getting my history mixed up.

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            No worries, I just don’t like to give Oakland any more credit than necessary–lol

          • berttheclock

            Speaking of Oakland, how about those 23 penalties yesterday and four more were declined. Four of those were for roughing, one taunting, four for holding, etc. Yet, somehow, they prevailed. The amazing part was Oakland absolutely controlled the offensive stats, yet, somehow the Bucs hung in the game.

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            If Oakland could ever figure out how to quit shooting themselves and their own foot, they will be a very scary team

          • mnelson52

            I was thinking the Raiders lost that game, mostly due to the 1st time anyone knew of the tuck rule being called.

    • Jason Seibel

      If Smith is healthy, he starts. I’m telling you there is no QB controversy. Files could put up 50 on the Panthers.

      • Chiefly Bacon

        I think Smith is a good QB, but if Foles proves more productive than Smith, they’d be crazy not to ride that train till he falls off. Good teams have to know when to move on. Obviously that time is not now, but if Foles put up 50 on the Panthers, Chiefs would be nuts not to stick with him.

        • mnelson52

          Yesterday it looked like the Panthers finally got it together beating the Cardinals 30-20

      • larry mckinney

        For a couple of years the team has emphasized the need for AS11 to work on the deep ball, thereby stretching the defense. It did seem that Foles showed why that emphasis is wise as the offense was electrified when he came in. Alex has not juiced the O in that way, though he does have this habit of winning. Smith remains the starter and the Chiefs enjoy the most dangerous QB tandem in the league. I’m okay with this!

    • tm1946

      Pretty fair backup if needed.

    • Stan Colbert

      Jax quite frankly, doesn’t appear to be able to find their own sideline, right now! They look terrible.

  • Chiefly Bacon

    It’s amazing the difference a strong deep game makes. Chiefs screens and quick outs were working a lot better, because safeties had to stay back.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Hehe, you can’t really say that it ends with Smith, Foles finished the game just fine yesterday.

    • Jason Seibel

      Half a game against a really bad team.

      • Laurels and limitations

        not arguing that, I’m not even arguing that I want Foles as the starter…but I AM stating that there are options other than Alex Smith.

  • berttheclock

    I would still like to hear Andy Reid attempt to explain why that read-option play was called in the first place.

    • Laurels and limitations

      bone headed play, even if Smith was the one who audibled out of the original play as some have thought, Reid should have let Smith know before Smith re-entered the game that he was to take absolutely no extra and unnecessary chances.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      I’m still not sure if that was the call or if Smith was ad-libbing. Reid usually doesn’t hang his QBs out to dry like that.

    • larry mckinney

      I thought it was a busted play. I’ll have to go back and look again. If I can bear to watch.

  • berttheclock

    Yesterday, there was huge communication problem going on between myself and Harris. I had cut him earlier in the game, but, somehow, he did not receive the word and somehow he appeared to make a great catch which put the ball on the one yard line. I have had similar problems after cutting Albert Wilson only to see him involved in a chain mover or two. Must be my commo set on the blink. Over…………………..

    • Chiefly Bacon

      Harris to me is the TE equivalent of Avery. Drops a lot of catchable balls, but he makes some big plays. Since Harris lacks Avery’s experience, there’s still some hope he can get better.

      • Laurels and limitations

        I’m not behind the Harris project, and haven’t been for a while now, today’s NFL catching the ball is supposed to be the rule, not the exception.

        • berttheclock

          I wouldn’t mind it so much if the drops happened on first down. But, he has been dropping 3rd down passes which costs the Chiefs the momentum. The Chiefs would have been better off giving Vernon Davis a chance to reunite with Alex Smith. He has been playing very well in DC.

          • Laurels and limitations

            looks like Davis signed for more than what KC was willing to give.

          • berttheclock

            Of course, Davis signed a one year $2.4 M deal with $500 thou signing bonus and a guarantee of $1.1 M.. Harris only costs the Chiefs $600 thou.

          • Laurels and limitations

            of course, Davis is catching 88% while Harris is catching 58% of his targets.

          • berttheclock

            One play by Harris still sticks. It was on 4th and four and he was inserted to play off the shoulder of the opposing center. He failed to look where the ball was placed and lined up past the head of the ball. That gave the other team a first down and led to a FG.

          • Laurels and limitations

            his play is just so damn inconsistent. One play he looks like the real deal then for the next five it looks as if he has never played the game before.

          • berttheclock

            Yet, he starred in high school. He didn’t play in college, but, he had football offers coming out of HS.

      • KCMikeG

        Hope your right because I would trade him in a heartbeat for Jason Dunn.

  • berttheclock

    There was one play, yesterday, which did bother me a great deal. It was the first 3rd and one play where KC’s offensive line was pushed back by the defensive front of Indy. They do have a bit of beef up front, but, the KC line was manhandled. It made me think of how 3rd and one was a favorite of Cool Lenny because he would throw a play action pass. I noticed the second time the Chiefs had such, a different play was called.

    • tm1946

      I knew the Budde family a bit. Ed played bigger than his size, Brad did not. Combo of team personnel, the times, style…… whatever, imagine some defender taking a shot at Dawson….took his life in his hands, no offensive wanted to face Lenny back in the huddle.

  • berttheclock

    Say what you will about the fans of the Oakland Raiders, but, I have never read about any of their fans throwing a dildo onto the playing field. That did happen in the Bills-Pats game yesterday, where a Bills fan tossed a dildo onto the playing field. The NFL ref made a rather good boot of it.

    • tm1946

      No, they do batteries.

      • mnelson52

        The dildo probably had batteries.

  • tm1946

    Yesterday’s game with Ford and Foles and a lesser degree the younger players…. was the first sign the Chief’s are planning a future beyond 2017. Several appear to still have an upside beyond one or two playoff runs. Even with Reid’s unique style of coaching.

  • freshmeat62

    That 1st hit on Smith I thought, OK Smith should have slid earlier, but watching the replay, and I see the defender swing his arms together trying to hit Smith’s head, bs, that guy was trying to injure Smith. And the 2nd was definitely intentional when the defender put his hand on Smith’s head…that one is a no-brainer.

    What has lit a fire under Ford the last couple of weeks? He actually looked like what he was drafted for yesterday. Is it lack of top competition, or has he turned a corner?

    And what was w/ that ‘Ole’ that Peters did when that runner ran by him? But at least he seems to have stopped his motor mouth…for now.

    Nice to see Gaines finish a game for once.

    I don’t think there is a QB controversy. Smith looked good when in there. That TD to Maclin was a perfectly thrown ball, Fole is probably going to get lots of ‘atta boys’ for his long throws, and they were nice, but that long one to Hill in the middle of the field, looked more to me like a Hail Mary up for grabs. That was just an outstanding catch by Hill to come back and get it. That TD throw to Hill down the sideline was perfect. That poor CB didn’t stand a chance once Hill turned on the jets, and the safety was supposed to give help over the top, but Hill’s speed didn’t give him a chance to get there.

    Looking forward to your anatomy of a TD this week…3 to choose from.

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      I agree on that long pass to Hill, that was a case of the WR making the QB look good. That’s the second time the supposed strong armed Foles has under thrown Reek. A better pass to Conley on the play where the DB fell down and I think Conley would have scored.

      • berttheclock

        I’m amazed Hill never played center field for any college team. He adjusts to the ball and tracks as well as some of the best center fielders I have seen play in the Bigs.

        • ladner morse

          We used to play this game in high school Pays Ed in which the ball was often thrown up in the air and it was a bit of a free-for-all going up to get it… but what sticks out in my memory was that there was this one rather mid-sized guy who knew how to position himself and jump at the right time and he always seemed to be the one coming down with the ball. I was so amazed that here it is 4 plus decades later and I still remember that guy.

          That’s who Tyreek Hill reminds me of.

  • freshmeat62

    Laddie, is there anyway you can get a way from having to go thru Facebook to sign in. I’ve spent the last 3 hours trying to sign in, because this pos Facebook couldn’t recognize the PW I’ve been using for the last 6 weeks, the PW that Facbook forced me to change too when they said my old PW had been around for too long. Bull Pucky! This is the 3rd FB account that I’d thought I’d lost because the idiots at FB are more concerned in making millions instead of fixing their bugs and putting out a quality product.

    I hate Facebook!!!

  • Laurels and limitations

    More love for Dirty Dan

    More from @PFF, "Those skills in coverage saw Sorensen allow just 3 yards on 4 targets as a sub-package LB."https://t.co/bXXSpCKLyl— BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) October 31, 2016

    • mnelson52

      I wonder if he elevated his play, or just finally got targeted.

      • freshmeat62

        Reid said later that they saw things in Indie’s game film that they were going to exploit w/ Kelce.

        • mnelson52

          The Saints had the same weakness. Why didn’t he see it then? All the fans and commentators did.

          • Laurels and limitations

            We did, for like the first few passes of the game which are always scripted for a certain number….and those passes worked. It was when Reid ran off his menu that KC got away from the crossing patterns.

          • mnelson52

            yep

          • freshmeat62

            Dang, I knew I should have taken that ‘Mind Reading 101’ down at the local JC!

  • Laurels and limitations

    I remember commenting on the moves of both Hali and Ford on this play….it was just outstanding on both their parts.

    If Dee Ford was able to lean and bend around the edge like this consistently, he'd get 15 sacks a season. And Tamba being Tamba. pic.twitter.com/bjCooKAH1I— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) October 31, 2016

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      I wonder if Ford is giving more effort if that effort is rewarded, and against better competition where he doesn’t have the success, his effort tends to slack.

      • Laurels and limitations

        man, I would hope that was not the case. 3.5 sacks cannot be undervalued but the Indy o-line is bad, like the polar opposite of Dallas bad. I read the article and Ford says one game is nothing, that he has to string them together and that is the right thinking, imho.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          That was the thing, just how bad is Indy’s o-line when even Zombo gets a sack? lol

          It kinda looks to me that Ford plays harder after he gets the first one. Either that or he’s figured out how to beat the guy in front of him. Could explain why is sacks come in bunches.

          • Laurels and limitations

            I do think that Ford is in decent shape, he has seemed to do most of his damage late in the games but yeah, it looks like it takes a positive defensive play in order for him to get going, until then he’s kinda going through the motions.

          • berttheclock

            At times, it looked as though he was trying to set up their ROT as he would speed rush off one shoulder, then, on the next play would cut inside. He had their ROT rocking.

  • Laurels and limitations

    From PFF via AP via Twitter via my mouse..

    “How pathologically conservative is Chiefs QB Alex Smith as a passer? In 48 snaps of action in relief of Smith against the Colts, Nick Foles has half as many completions on deep passes (20+ air yards), more than half as many yards, and the same number of touchdowns (one) as Smith has managed over the entire season to date.”

    • tm1946

      Not a lot of love for Alex, still as long as they know your name?

      • Laurels and limitations

        it was one game versus a bad defense and it’s pretty fair to say that Indy was not prepared for Foles to play so much game. My thing is, Foles was lighting that defense up and Smith, pre-concussion, was not.

        • berttheclock

          Plus, add to that the fact it had taken a few games for Reid/Childress to really open up the play book. Remember the first few games, Hill did not start and was limited in going down field.

          • Laurels and limitations

            true, now that the cat is super-officially out of the bag it’s going to be neat to see how opposing teams attempt to take Hill out of the plays.

          • berttheclock

            Someone said it correctly early in the season about Hill should not be just used for gimmick plays because a defense would gear up for him whenever he would come in to play. By using him in many different roles with the 1st unit, it has allowed Hill to lull defenders to sleep for his speed bursts down field.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Hill running traditional routes has caused defenses to stay honest, true, but I also think it helps that he is much stronger than say, DAT, his nearest competition. In order for Reid to get DAT open he has to run gimmick plays and defenses know they are coming, Hill can hold his own versus other players which makes him much more beneficial to the team.

          • berttheclock

            BTW, did you catch the new wrinkle on punt returns? It was a late punt by Indy, but, Toub had both Hill and DAT back to catch the punts. Indy ended up kicking to Hill and their defense appeared to swarm to his side. But, imagine in the future one of those old reverse type plays from the two returners?

  • berttheclock

    Kudos to Elizabeth Smith, the wife of Alex, for smacking down via twitter, the twit KC weatherman, Gary Lesak, for his ridiculous tweets yesterday cheering the fact Alex went out and Foles came in to play.

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      Mrs. Smith should be venting at Goodell about the refs instead of a weatherman about a stupid tweet.

      • berttheclock

        True, but, then, look at Pete Carroll, who is livid about the inept calls by the muscle man’s crew (Ed Hocholi). Bad calls, botched calls, no-calls and failure to monitor QB hits. Look at Cam Newton who wants a sit down with Goodell over the number of hits he has taken and the lack of roughing calls.

        • Laurels and limitations

          Newton was especially livid about the hit he took below the knees while still in the pocket, and I cannot blame him.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          It seems every team, every game is having issues with the refs. At some point the NFL is going to have to fix, or at least address the officiating, and you’re full time ref program would be a great start.

        • berttheclock

          There was a flag thrown for a block in the back by a Seattle player where he reached out with one hand to touch the shoulder of a opponent. Yet, later, a Saints player smashed into the the back of a Seahawks player on the sideline knocking him out of bounds, while, the Saints runner cut up the field behind him.

    • freshmeat62

      Lesak does the weather on the WHB’s Border Patrol every morning, and wow, you talk about some worthless dead air, it’s him. He tries to banter w/ the sports talk guys, but it’s hard to listen too. I’ll certainly be glad when his contract is up.

  • Stan Colbert

    Last year, AS11 broke the team record of passes without an interception. Last year Foles threw 20 int. And 20 td. got himself and his OC fired. There is know controversy.

    • berttheclock

      Foles had one good run in Philly under Kelly. Then, his protection broke down and he became very nervous in the pocket. When, he tried to play for the Rams, the problem became even worse. He developed a tendency to bail out far too early on plays or even to hold on to the ball far too long as he did on his first series yesterday. He appeared to have overcome those problems later in the game, but, this is only one good game for him in a very very long time, so, who really knows.

      • Stan Colbert

        A poor defensive team prepared all week for Alex and Foles showed and naturally showed up! I do like the way Foles throws the ball, though.

        • ladner morse

          What it showed me is… exactly why Dorsey went out and got Foles. Foles is ht back-up pure and simple…. but a very good “back-up” to say the least.

          • berttheclock

            So, are you saying there are absolutely no QB whisperers with the Rams?

          • Laurels and limitations

            Just the Freddy Krueger type.

          • Laurels and limitations

            I wonder if Foles being brought on board wasn’t two fold, one: him being a back-up that was somewhat familiar with Reid and two: someone that could push Smith.

          • Stan Colbert

            So, do you think the Chiefs just plan for Foles to play this year, or does he have a future with the team.

          • ladner morse

            His contract doesn’t really allow for him to stick with the team. I think it balloons to like 10M or more in 2017 and unless he is the starter because Alex is injured by then… I can’t see him with the team (unless he decides to renegotiate to a much smaller number… mostly because the Chiefs have to deal with Berry and Poe this coming offseason).

          • Stan Colbert

            That would imply there is nothing special about him. He is quite a bit younger than Smith. I do agree the contract is a huge hurdle!

          • KCMikeG

            What’s going on with Schwartz? He gets beat around the edge over and over. Thought he was supposed to be one of the best RT’s?

  • ladner morse

    I’m not happy at all with the number of pots shots that Colts players took on Chiefs players. It’s really beyond what can reasonably be expected in any NFL game. Even the Raiders would never do what the Colts have done.

    • berttheclock

      I mentioned far below the fact Geathers bench pressed 22 times at the Combine. He was the 2nd strongest safety to do so at that event. So, putting his 215 pounds behind shoving the helmet of Smith into the green colored concrete flew in the face of his later comment that he had been trying to miss him.

    • Laurels and limitations

      The refs enforcing the idea that cheap hits/shots were acceptable is my largest complaint, it was ridiculous.

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        ditto, lol

        • Laurels and limitations

          that was funny.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            I would use the old cliche that great minds think alike, but I don’t fit that category.

          • Laurels and limitations

            me neither, “poor minds think alike” then?

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            That works for me!!

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      But what’s even worse was the absence of yellow flags, it was almost as if the refs were endorsing that kind of play.

      • berttheclock

        Yet, the amazing part is I read the propensities of Craig Wrolstad before the game and he has called the most roughing the passer penalties in the NFL, yet, he was the one who missed the first hit. It was Barry Anderson, his umpire, who missed the second one.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          Maybe Goodell has gotten on to him about too many of that type penalty and he decided to let them slide this week.

          • Laurels and limitations

            I had heard that the NFL had only put down enough money for a certain of allotment of penalties for each Sunday. The inordinate and record breaking Oakland/Bucs game used them all up.

          • berttheclock

            Plus, four more were declined.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Lol, in that case the Vikes and Bears should be a free for all tonight.

      • ladner morse

        Ya know, I get it if this was the Super Bowl and they decided to “LET EM PLAY” and then called the game the same on both sides…. but this was WAAAAY beyond the limits!

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          I agree Laddie, that first hit on AS11, I could almost buy the excuse that Smith slid late, except the Colts player hit with the crown of the helmet. That second one was just outright blatant. I think not only should Geathers be fined and suspended, but so should the ref in that gif above.

  • ladner morse

    Here is the Spencer Ware hit, follow 93 Erik Walden. You will also notice that 32 TJ Green leads with shoulder to Ware's head. #Chiefs pic.twitter.com/YLCpxMyu6D— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) October 31, 2016

    • berttheclock

      That is a forearm to his helmet.

      • KCMikeG

        Looked like helmet to helmet to me

  • Laurels and limitations

    something to keep in mind…

    Per PFF: Every OL who played Sunday for Colts (even backups) allowed multiple pressures on Luck. Only Ryan Kelly didn't allow a sack or hit.— Josh Wilson (@JoshWilsonSB) October 31, 2016

    • berttheclock

      Kelly has kept his record of not allowing hits going. He did allow one rush up the middle by Jones, but, that really was due more to Jones beating their OG. Kelly was a steal for them as he is by far their best offensive linemen.

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      After yesterday, it’s kinda hard to complain about our O-line. Any news on Ehinger?

      • berttheclock

        So far only that it is believed to be a sprain.

        • berttheclock

          However, I believe the whirl pools will be very busy in both Indy and KC.

      • Laurels and limitations

        I’m more worried about Schwartz’ ankle, all that tape made him slow as cold molasses yesterday.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          Do the Jags have much of a pass rush? Cold molasses was almost enough yesterday and might be again next week.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Jags have immense talent all across the board, but they are led badly by their brass. I like to wonder what that team would be like if Kahn had hired Del Rio instead.

          • berttheclock

            It still amazes me about Greg Olsen being fired and Nathaniel Hackett being elevated. Not that Olsen was doing anything right, but, the fact that years before he had been given the Tampa Bay job after they fired Paul Hackett, the father of Nathaniel.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Olsen was just the sacrifice to appease the masses, nothing more.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Or maybe purchased by someone other than Kahn. I haven’t seen them play, but seems there QB play hasn’t been good at all.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Bortles is a hot mess, bad bad mechanics. My buddy is a huge Jags fan that also blames a lot of the team’s problems on Bradly having lost the locker room. I have no idea if that is true or not.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            If Bortles is struggling, playing in Arrowhead in good weather with the Chiefs playing well won’t do him any favors.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Via twitter it was said that Jack. brought in another (new?) QB’s coach to help with Bortles, but yeah, if he keeps up the same stuff KC will make him pay as I am willing to bet Bortles and Bradley might go after Peters in order to create a spark for their team,

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            One other thing I read about the Jags, is Ramsey loses his cool pretty easy. With the way Maclin like to jaw, JMac will be in Ramsey’s head early and often.

          • Laurels and limitations

            I watched a game the other day where Ramsey was just being a douche, I guess he has already been ejected once this year?

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            If we don’t have the same refs as yesterday, that could spell trouble for him. If we have the same refs as the Raiders and Bucs, it could be a long day.

          • berttheclock

            The early 15 day forecast for KCMO shows next Sunday to be mild.

          • Laurels and limitations

            good, winter sucks.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            The local prognosticator’s are showing a chance of rain wednesday, but mild temps all week.

          • berttheclock

            What do you think about the trade rumors for Dan Stutka, their OLB?

          • Laurels and limitations

            I had heard nothing of it, and have to admit I don’t know the guy. Would KC be interested?

          • berttheclock

            I believe his current salary is about $4 mill plus a year.

          • Laurels and limitations

            but is he good?

          • berttheclock

            I read recent trade reports which said Dan Stutka, their OLB might be traded. He has not been able to rush the passer very much due to the Jags having to play far more nickle. There was word he might be moved up to play DE, but, he could be traded tomorrow.

  • Laurels and limitations

    While I like Dirty Dan, top rated player? PFF might need to slow down their ranking process.

    Safety Danny Sorensen earned the top Chiefs @PFF defensive grade for the second game in a row Sunday. https://t.co/kup1ocaFUP— Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) October 31, 2016

    • berttheclock

      PFF has officially moved from England to Salt Lake City. In the future, they will be known as the Deseret Pro Football Focus.

  • berttheclock

    Meanwhile, the coming out party for Knile Davis did not go well yesterday with the Packers. He had practiced with their 1st unit all week and was supposed to be involved with their running game. He only had a few carries for very little, if any. Rodgers had to do the majority of the running with a backup FB from Oklahoma, Ripkowski, to get the calls ahead of Davis.

    • ladner morse

      Knile would have been so much better off going to Dallas. I know, I know… you could say that about any RB… but that is especially truer for Knile because he’s a one-cut runner. If Knile has to make multiple moves is when he gets into trouble because it slows him down so much.

      • mnelson52

        Behind that Dallas O-line, Knile could be a homerun threat on many plays with his speed.

  • Andy

    Big fines in the future for some Colt defenders.

  • Laurels and limitations

    BURKHOLDER: Alex Smith does not have a concussion.— Soren Petro (@SorenPetro) October 31, 2016

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      How, just how does AS not have a concussion?

      • Laurels and limitations

        I dunno, cuz that dude was knocked the F out.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          Maybe credit his wife, if I were in his shoes I would make sure I didn’t have one, cause I would never hear the end of it.

      • berttheclock

        He had to be examined by independent doctors. Great news, but, it reminds me that I am out of Tylenol at the moment.

        • berttheclock

          I believe Barry Anderson, the umpire who missed the second hit, sent his own MD to KC to examine him.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            I don’t know if the NFL can fine refs for blowing calls, but that clown deserves one.

    • ladner morse

      Said Smith has no symptoms of concussion today— Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) October 31, 2016

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        Good news, but wow.

        • ladner morse

          The first time Alex got up off the turf he looked like a boxer who had wobbly-knees after the standing 8-count. So, I really don’t understand how he doesn’t have a concussion now.

          I’d be fine with Alex taking this week off.

          • berttheclock

            You mean a type of Red Skelton doing his “Which way did he go?” routine?

          • mnelson52

            I used to love Red Skelton

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            I was surprised he came back in the game. I’ll bet now, he is wishing he didn’t.

          • berttheclock

            Should he, please, no more read-options.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            No more read-options, period.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Lol, I thought you LIKED offense.

          • berttheclock

            All of that time wasted by Ault, eh?

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            I can see all of those plays I can stand on Saturday.

          • Laurels and limitations

            I’m just saying that with Foles in there, we would probably see much more of Reid’s playbook, lol.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            If Reid was going to sit AS for a game, this would probably be a good one to do it.

          • Laurels and limitations

            take it from someone who has his fair share of concussions, Smith was concussed so I agree, I’d sit Smith this next week just because.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Some have said AS11’s play in games 2, 3 and 4 were due to the hit at the end of game one. We don’t need him to play like that three more games.

          • Laurels and limitations

            I was one of those people, I think it was the elbow that was messing with him. Who knows though?

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            There was an elbow bump, but he took a pretty good lick on that TD run. I’m guessing it was more.

          • berttheclock

            Also, I thought one of those caused a bump on his elbow.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Read should have been whupped for even allowing Smith the option running one..so foolish.

          • ladner morse

            Did Alex ply a the very next snap… then go to the protocol?

          • berttheclock

            No, he left immediately after both hits.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            No, after he stood up wobbly, he was escorted off the field.

          • berttheclock

            I recall seeing one of the Colts yelling for the refs to look at him.

          • mnelson52

            Reid said the first one was air pressure in his ear from the blow that messed up his equilibrium. No concussion involved.

  • berttheclock

    Belichick just made the Browns very happy. He sent Jamie Collins, LB, to them for a conditional 3rd round pick. I guess Dorsey and BB are not on each others speed dials.

    • ladner morse

      Dang! BB must hate Collins.

  • berttheclock

    Once again, I would remind everyone about the excellent thread by Lyle Graversen this AM. He gives raves to both Sutton for making the needed adjustments following the Pittsburgh debacle, but, also raves to Dorsey for adding the needed depth to this team.

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      But, but, I don’t want to leave Laddie’s site!

      • berttheclock

        Just for the brief moment. Yes, I cringe on Mondays when I check in to read Lyle. I dont’ stay around for any comments. I still remember the days when area and I would banter in the early mornings. I do miss area.

        • Laurels and limitations

          that dude is a jerk.

    • ladner morse

      I haven’t read it yet… but always do read Lyle’s stuff. He’s an excellent writer and I always appreciate his in-depth views… which are also always very thoughtful.

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        Almost as good as yours.

        • berttheclock

          What? You have not seen the movie of Laddie called, “A League of His Own”?

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            I’m still waiting for it to come our on VCR.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Bummer, I only have it on Beta otherwise I would loan it to ya.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Damn, I got the sound track on 8-track, it’s awesome.

          • berttheclock

            You do know Laddie aspired to be “The Guitar Man” for several years.

          • berttheclock

            His idol was Dan Fogerty.

          • ladner morse

            Fogelberg

          • berttheclock

            Picky picky, but very correct. What makes it even worse is I had just Googled it. Now, I know I really need to attend my VA eye doctor to set up an appointment for those little thingies in my eyes to be removed.

          • ladner morse

            Fogerty never wrote anything quite as elegant as “same auld lang syne”…….

          • mnelson52

            Well lets drink a toast to innocence.

          • mnelson52

            I also loved Leader of the band. Excellent guitar picking also. Now that I think about it, I may try to learn to pick that one.

          • Laurels and limitations

            We got into a huge debate over whether 8 tracks or cassettes were better the other evening out in my garage. I just remembered it and am laughing so hard.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            I was an 8 track guy, my brother preferred cassettes. That started more than one discussion that included fists.

          • berttheclock

            Recently, I watched a couple of seasons of the New Zealand detective series called “Brokenwood”. In that series, the lead inspector drives an old Aussie car from the early ’70s. He plays C&W on old cassettes and he has roll out wing windows, plus, the regular roll up and down windows.

          • berttheclock

            Plus, you can always tell the age range of the person you are talking to if they happen to say they had to roll up their windows.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Depending on which vehicle I drive, I still roll up my windows.

        • ladner morse

          hehe…. Lyle and I got to AA about the same time so we have some History. He’s a great guy.

  • Laurels and limitations

    In other news, Alex is the starter until Alex is not the starter…

    Alex Smith is the starter when healthy. This could not have been more definitive from Andy Reid.— BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) October 31, 2016

  • Laurels and limitations

    "It will be a stretch for him to play," Chiefs coach Andy Reid on the chances of linebacker Justin Houston being… https://t.co/FNzS2b3R2I— Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) October 31, 2016

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      Houston will have to be placed on the active roster no later than the 8th, correct?

      • Laurels and limitations

        I know they had 21 days to declare a designation of whether he will play or be IR’d but I forget the exact date of when he was taken off the pup.

        • berttheclock

          This short term PUP is hard to follow.

          • Laurels and limitations

            I can’t do it, man. The designations all run together in my head and when I go to read the descriptions of them they almost all seem the exact same to me.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          I believe they brought him off PUP on a Wednesday, I think it will be 2 weeks day after tomorrow. But heck, the way time flies, it might be three weeks already.

      • berttheclock

        I wonder how the visit to Dr Andrews will go for Charles. Reaves is still with the PS.

      • Laurels and limitations

        Here you go.

        If it's 2 weeks before Justin Houston's return, he could make season debut Nov. 13 at Panthers & Cam Newton.— Blair Kerkhoff (@BlairKerkhoff) October 31, 2016

  • freshmeat62

    Just wondering if Dorsey knew of the Jamie Collins trade for a 3rd rd pick before it happened? If so then why in the world isn’t he here instead of Cleveland?.

    • berttheclock

      I believe the proper term for Cleveland tootball is “The Bone Yard”. BTW, did you see the hilarious photo of the Dawg Pound fans putting up their signs of “Dawg Pound”, yesterday, but, they reversed the order of two of them.

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        I wonder if they did that on purpose to show the ineptness of their team.

        • berttheclock

          When UCLA and USC played in the Coliseum , it became great fun by both sides to figure out ways to mess up the others’ placards.

        • Laurels and limitations

          like 16 games a year wasn’t good enough.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            There is no such thing as too much of a good thing!

          • Laurels and limitations

            Oh boy could I tell you some stories, lol.

      • berttheclock

        Some wag wrote if the Indians win the series, that will mean Cleveland’s baseball and basketball teams will have more wins than the Browns.

      • Laurels and limitations

        My son showed me a video a disgruntled but hilarious Brown’s fan cracking jokes outside of the Brown’s stadium. I’ll have to see if I can find it so everyone can laugh.

      • freshmeat62

        The only possible thing I can think why BB wouldn’t trade him to KC, is that BB knows he could possibly meet KC in the post season and doesn’t want to face Collins. I’d have given more than a 3rd for Collins.

      • Laurels and limitations

        Found it…amazingly enough, there is a large amount of disgruntled Brown’s fans out there.

        https://youtu.be/tRBDMMVctu8

        • Laurels and limitations

          “factory of sadness”…Bwahahahahaha!!!!!!

        • mnelson52

          Have they tried flying messages over the stadium

          • Laurels and limitations

            Haha, probably not, them slackers.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Ford man, what an enigma. I gotta admit that he doing all the right things and saying the same.

    Stats are sometimes just stats. they can mislead.. But, didn't think we'd see this in 2016#Chiefs #chiefskingdom pic.twitter.com/oLRmh33LdY— Ryan Tracy (@RyanTracyNFL) October 31, 2016

    • berttheclock

      Plus, Alexander was hurt yesterday and his sacks may be ended for awhile.

    • ladner morse

      Why… what’s he saying? Is he talking about me again?

      • Laurels and limitations

        of course he is, your omnipresentness, lol.

        • ladner morse

          Ooooh… I like that… maybe I’ll change my name to….. “your omnipresentness”…. but maybe all caps.

          • Laurels and limitations

            lol.

          • mnelson52

            Sorry, I would just have to call you OMNI for short

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            OMNI, I like that.

          • mnelson52

            Actually, on this site, you are omnipotently. Not sure I spelled that right

          • ladner morse

            HA! Right! As if…..

        • mnelson52

          Love learning new words.
          My vocabulary has expanded reading this site. Even if they are not all real words..lol

        • mnelson52

          Maybe a touch of omniscientness.

    • berttheclock

      Cooper just needed to be in the right system. He was really moved around far too much by Sutton, especially, those semi legal picks by Denver sapped his confidence.

      • Laurels and limitations

        was definitely a scheme thing, but I also attribute some of his success in Arizona to the talent surrounding him.

        • mnelson52

          and the knowledge of the game he learned in KC

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        Didn’t he have all three of those picks in one game?

        • Laurels and limitations

          his first week traded I believe.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Yeah, that’s what I thought, he doesn’t seem to have made much difference since then. Although I do believe he is still starting.

    • KCMikeG

      Think we gave up on Cooper too early – $3 on the list for AZ

  • Laurels and limitations

    Here you go Paul…

    Chiefs don’t have to make a roster decision on him until next week https://t.co/AJlzeWIR4H— Arrowhead Pride (@ArrowheadPride) October 31, 2016

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      Cool, thanks.

      • berttheclock

        I’m telling you, the man really knows how to do pick and shovel work.

        • Laurels and limitations

          paste and copy, bub, paste and copy.

          • berttheclock

            Perhaps, but, first you have to know where to look, eh?

          • Laurels and limitations

            not really, just have to pick the correct guys to follow on twitter. For every guy out there twittering about KC that is decent there are 50 who plain suck.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            49, I don’t tweet.

          • Laurels and limitations

            I hardly do, here’s one you’ll get a kick out of though. The other week when KC was playing in Oakland I found myself defending Santos. ME, defending Santos!!! Oh what a wacky world.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            That’s tough, but man, there are a lot of kickers missing this year, especially in OT. I’m guessing Santos is top half.

          • Laurels and limitations

            The dude was talkihg of how bad Santos was that game, and I’m all like…”on that field?”…nobody could get there plant foot to stick that day and that can hardly be blamed on either Santos or Seabass.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Oh, right, the Oakland mud pit. I almost forgot that.

          • Laurels and limitations

            his missing of that 28 yarder yesterday wasn’t even his fault, other than that and the Oakland swamp game, I don’t think he’s missed a one has he?

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            According to NFL.com he is 14 of 17 on FG’s and 16 of 17 on PAT’s.

          • Laurels and limitations

            there was the 28 yarder yesterday, and one that I know of from Oakland, wonder what the other was.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            I can’t remember, but did he have one blocked?

          • Laurels and limitations

            just not sure man, I’ve slept since then.

          • mnelson52

            Well, now 48. I don’t tweet either. I am not smart enough to figure out how to get my point across when limited on how many charactures I can use…lol

  • Laurels and limitations

    hmmmm, where have I heard this before?

    Dee Ford's speed used to work against him, often running himself out of plays. He's now starting to bend around the edge and get leverage.— Nicholas Jacobs (@Njakey) October 31, 2016

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      About time, huh!

      • berttheclock

        The supposedly great LB from Wake Forest, of whom many thought would be picked by the Chiefs, went to Seattle and he never learned how to control his speed and would over run plays. He, later tried to make the Raiders roster, but, he still had not figured it out. Herm Edwards, having left the Chiefs, kept begging for him to be drafted by KC.

      • Laurels and limitations

        Yup, but I still want to see him do it versus a team with a good o-line and a QB that likes to get rid of the ball fast-like.

  • berttheclock

    Thanks for sharing the early morning. Pat is twisting my arm to head out for “errands” and such. Later to all.

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      Have a good day!

    • Laurels and limitations

      Later Bert.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Probably Smith’s best throw of the year so far.

    ‼️ Caution, these highlights may cause excessive cheering ‼️Full #KCvsIND game highlights ▶️ https://t.co/P7D3UMq7Zg pic.twitter.com/1AGXqsDSKt— Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) October 31, 2016

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      That was a good pass.

      • Laurels and limitations

        yup, right in the bucket and in stride.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          That was kinda the thing with Foles, the pass to Reek in midfield was way under thrown, the one to Conley was thrown behind him and then he way over threw West on that one that should have scored. The one to Reek when Hill was wide open was a pretty throw, but I guess a lot of that could just be experience, or lack of.

          • Laurels and limitations

            As I remember neither of us two thought that Foles was very exact with his ball placement during the preseason. Thing is, I think he allows for the receivers to adjust to the ball flight better than Smith does so he does not have to be so exact in his placement every time. The Reek throw WAS way under though but I might put that Hill outrunning the play, lol.

    • Frank Leggio

      It is up there with the Hill pass last week.

      • Laurels and limitations

        I’d call the Hill pass a close second. On the Smith/Maclin pass absolutely zero adjustment was needed for Maclin to haul it in…not route, nor speed…it was just plain gift wrapped. Of course, Hill likes to outrun his routes due to his speed right now, there is the very real possibility that the pass there was perfect also, lol.

        • Frank Leggio

          Agree. I just meant my comment as an additional good pass. We say Hill had to adjust to the pass, but perhaps Hill ran a route too tight to the sideline. We don’t know that part. Either way, the Maclin pass was money.

  • Laurels and limitations

    going to read about what Kc said versus him having/not having a concussion.

    • Laurels and limitations

      that was a complete waste of 20 seconds of my life.

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        Hey, I almost forgot to mention the INT of your boy Gaines.

        • Laurels and limitations

          Man, if that kid can complete his transition to the NFL by learning to turn and track the ball (and stay healthy of course) KC would be absolutely set and LCB/RCB for years.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            With Sorenson coming into his own and if Murray turns out, safeties aren’t looking too bad either.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Nelson is still my guy for weak link, he’s not failing, but he sure ain’t prevailin’.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            He seems to be continually in trail mode, maybe he catch up soon.

          • Laurels and limitations

            yeah, some of that is just the position of being the slot guy but the better QBs look for him now, especially if Gaines is on the field. Slot CB might be the most difficult position as a CB.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Well, time for me to head out, thanks for the visit man, have a good one.

          • Laurels and limitations

            later man.

          • KCMikeG

            White will be better I think

          • mnelson52

            I think Sorenson would make a good Mike LB. I also think for the most part, RW hasn’t looked to bad. Sorenson may be Berry’s replacement.

          • ladner morse

            I’d hope that they use Sorenson very little as a Mike LB. I like him in his role as a Safety and think he’s developing quite nicely.

          • mnelson52

            I agree 100%. He’s getting better every week and I don’t want him to start learning a new job. That’s why I think he may be Berry’s replacement. I was just thinking about how hard he hits.

  • Laurels and limitations

    down to the day on this tweet versus the Chief’s chosen media spokesman.

    Justin Houston's 21-day window on the PUP list goes until next Wed., Nov. 9. That's the latest he could be activated & still play this year.— BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) October 31, 2016

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      Welp, that kinda answers things.

      • ladner morse

        I think we can expect him to be activated BEFORE that time so they will continue to have an option of using him this year. That is unless… he’s obviously not able to make it go.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          I’m sure he’ll be activated, I made a prediction some time ago of the Thursday night Raiders game being his first game back. That’s just a guess on my part.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Great point…

    But even if Houston is on active roster, that doesn't mean he'd necessarily play that next week. There are 7 inactive players each game.— BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) October 31, 2016

    • sidibeke

      That’s my guess, that he’s active and doesn’t play.

      • tm1946

        Two starters possibly out with concussion s, not the time to carry someone active who will not play.

        • sidibeke

          Don’t really have a choice, and against Jax at home, I think it’ll be okay.

  • sidibeke

    I actually think the first is the more blatant. AS slides feet first. Period. The spot is at the beginning of the slide (that’s still the rule, isn’t it?). The Colts player lunges helmet first. Horrible no call.

    • ladner morse

      True. AND… it only gets worse from there on out because the refs continue with their no-calls and the bulk of those were on Chiefs players by Colts players. Atrocious.

  • berttheclock

    Need a backup RB? Knile Davis has just been cut by the Packers. Forget about that conditional 7th pick for him.

    • berttheclock

      Reminds me of last year when Schneider traded Christine Michael to Dallas. Michael never fit well in Dallas and was cut. Suddenly, Seattle ran out of RBs and had to call him to come “home”.

      • Laurels and limitations

        Remember not so many years ago when KC was relegated to their 5th RB? As much love as anyone is giving Dorsey for his equipping the team with depth, he sure didn’t take it to Indy with the rest of the team. KC was one snap away from Santos at QB and Poe at RB.

  • Chiefly Bacon

    Man. The comment section went nuts today. Laddie must be thrilled.

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      It has been a good day.

    • Laurels and limitations

      Can’t get Bert or Paul to shut up, lol.

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        Wanna count comments? lol

        • Laurels and limitations

          lol, nope.

  • PaulfromnorthMO

    Knile Davis was cut by the Packers today. Trade agreement not met, so Chiefs receive nothing.

    • Laurels and limitations

      I believe that Omni said it, but GB was a bad fit for Knile…then again, as much as it pains me to say it, KD might not be good enough. Sometimes it is just that simple.

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        I remember Omni saying Dallas would be a better fit, but some team, at some point will need a RB, so I hope he doesn’t stray too far from his phone.

        • Laurels and limitations

          He’s fast and a pure North/South runner, he’ll find a home very soon hopefully.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Alec Guinness or Ewan McGregor….that has always been the question for me.

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      That’s tough, even though I haven’t seen the new one yet, I’ll give the edge to McGregor.

      • Laurels and limitations

        Ewan was always one of my favorites, since Trainspotting, but I really liked him as a young Jedi. I agree, it has to Ewan if not simply for the increased role.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          Sir Alec was somewhat limited in the action department. Changing times.

          • Laurels and limitations

            And man, Episode 4 was having to break soooooo many roadblocks in the movie industry e.g. Credits, special effects, the entire movie industry hierarchy. It really is amazing what they were able to accomplish with that movie.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Yeah, with today’s special effects, those first three are entirely different movies.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Yup, I bet Lucas would give a ton to be able to go back and have a do-over with the light saber battles.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            I wouldn’t be surprised, if after the last three are done, there isn’t a remake.

          • Laurels and limitations

            not sure how I feel about that…Star Wars was what got me going on science fiction as a kid. I once heard a remake of the song Stairway to Heaven, I would have to treat any remake of the original 3 in the same manner as I did that *song*.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Oh, I agree, I’m not saying I would like them or even want them to. I’d just be a little shocked if at some point they don’t, simply because of the great time lapse between episodes.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Hahahaha, just what has this world came to?

    Dee Ford the best 1st round edge rusher from the 2014 NFL Draft. Wow.— Hungry Pig Right (@JinxSavage) October 31, 2016

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      Statistically accurate, or just a comment?

      • Laurels and limitations

        Sooooo many things can be argued in that statement: language of position between a 4-3 and a 3-4, round chosen, wow. I’m not sure I have the energy right now to argue it all.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          With Clowney and Mack in that class, it would be tough to call him the best as of now.

          • Laurels and limitations

            But Ford is whupping them this year, even though I agree that it is premature as of this point in their careers. I still have to believe it to be hyperbole until the point is proven.

  • Laurels and limitations

    This kid will be KC’s number one before long, as long as Hill lets him have it….

    🖐 #ChiefsKingdom pic.twitter.com/ljsoEzIyxU— Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) October 31, 2016

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      Yep, Conley is really starting to shine. Might be the best WR from the 2015 draft. lol

      • Laurels and limitations

        Number one receiver from the third round in the 2015 draft.wow.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Blast from the past right here…

    #Bears C/G Eric Kush starts at LG for Sitton. Will be only his 3rd #NFL start in 4 seasons (2nd this season).— Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) October 31, 2016

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      Good for him, I didn’t think he was even on a team.

      • Laurels and limitations

        Wasn’t he picked up by the Colts then released or something like that? I sure hope he has worked on his speed off the snap, I remember he was so damn slow.

        • Laurels and limitations

          my bad, KC, STL, Chicago

        • berttheclock

          His jeep moved well, though, especially, with the large Chiefs flag on it.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Does your ol’ lady know your up, young man?

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            It’s not dark in his country yet, the chickens are still up.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Barring the Reid meltdown that we are accustomed to at least once a year, is there really a game on here that scares anyone?

    Jaguars
    Kansas City

    Kansas City
    Carolina

    Tampa Bay
    Kansas City

    Kansas City
    Denver

    Kansas City
    Atlanta

    Oakland
    Kansas City

    Tennessee
    Kansas City

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      The at Denver game, mostly because the donkey’s have 2 weeks to prep. Falcons will be tough in their house. Not much other than that.

      • Laurels and limitations

        I think people are getting enough tape on Denver that their time has eclipsed, gonna be a tough go, but a W well enough as long as KC goes in healthy. The Falcons game actually worries me more.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          Denver having their bye right before we visit is what worries me. Most teams have a decent advantage right after their bye, especially in their house. But yeah, health will be a big factor in that one.

        • mnelson52

          If Carolina keeps playing like they did Sunday, that could be a concern. All these games are winnable, but what scares me is that being the better team doesn’t always mean you will win. Reid usually blows one or two games a year himself.

    • Merlin

      Both Denver games, Carolina and Atlanta. I am not looking past Oakland either.

      • Laurels and limitations

        so nearly every game then, lol….KC Chief’s fan conditioning in effect.

        • Merlin

          Realism, in effect 😉

          • Laurels and limitations

            I suffer from the same thing, man.

          • Merlin

            It helps you not get to high or to low.

          • Laurels and limitations

            more truthiness.

          • mnelson52

            I like that better than homer fandomness

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        I think we can handle the Panthers, even at their place. Thursday night games are so hard for the road team is why I don’t think Oakland will be a problem. Christmas night, Arrowhead should be rockin’.

        • Laurels and limitations

          gonna be cold too, them Kal-I-forniuns hate the cold.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            I might have to ask Santa for malfunctioning heaters on the opponents sideline.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Doubt you been a good boy, lol.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            No doubt at all, but shit, I’m asking for something NOT to work. lol

          • Laurels and limitations

            lol

          • mnelson52

            maybe their communication radios will freeze up

      • mnelson52

        I wouldn’t look past Chargers either. I think the Chargers are a lot better than their record shows. When they don’t shoot themselves in the foot, they usually win. They can be dangerous. Even if they were terrible, records go out the window when playing divisional games. Especially in their house.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Spelled out nice and cleanly, this usually means at least one missed game. Reaves elevated to the 46?

    #Chiefs’ Spencer Ware failed second portion of concussion testing: https://t.co/9b7aG3zenr— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) October 31, 2016

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      That pretty much sucks if Charles can’t go.

      • Laurels and limitations

        Yup, DAT between the tackles is a less than useless venture.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          I wonder if they were suspecting something up with JC, why they added the extra RB to the PS.

          • Laurels and limitations

            they had to have been, man. Then they go and spring the fact that JC was going to see Edwards today..so sneaky.

    • KCMikeG

      Reaves is a beast plus DAT & Hill can play RB too.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Jalen Richard agrees…

    Trick or treat! pic.twitter.com/YN0VtsOGHW— Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) November 1, 2016

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      That is a cool pic.

      • Laurels and limitations

        There’s a special place in my heart that will die a little when DJ retires. DJ has been a rock for KC.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          Yep, gotta start searching for another LB named Derrick. Just wouldn’t be right without one.

          • Laurels and limitations

            We do have an alexander, but it would seem he is not cut from the same cloth.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            IDK, he may need to be a first rounder.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Now you’re speaking my language!!

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Just found it. Alexander’s first name is Donell.

          • Laurels and limitations

            so close.

  • Laurels and limitations

    B.S. it’s not uncommon….

    #Chiefs’ Andy Reid says Jamaal Charles’ visit to surgeon isn’t uncommon: https://t.co/kaZ0jdhmv6— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) November 1, 2016

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      It isn’t uncommon, if something is wrong!

      • Laurels and limitations

        Lmbo, too true!!!

  • Laurels and limitations

    Alright, I’m out folks. Lots of kids here looking to score some candy. Happy Chieffing!!

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      Have a good one, don’t short the kiddies.

  • KCMikeG

    Reid Press conference:

    Reid: No, I’m not even sure I like the way you’re going with this. Alex can do all the things that need to be done in this offense and do them at a Pro Bowl-caliber level.

    Q: Is he your quarterback when he’s healthy then?

    /death stare

    Drops mic and walks off stage…..

    • and the timeliness of the response was appropriate as well. And ‘ow to run an ‘otel.

  • well, I can’t see this at all watching harris. He is doing decently blocking. He has made big catches. His drop on the failed drive was the second one: The first was Kelce, so c’mon guys. Then as Bert notes he makes a hell of catch so I think you guys need to “re-look” at that one. jeez. Re-look. Re-Watch. Our abuse of the language is sorely affected by Gen-X and the millennials. That does not imply that I am going to watch any “Survivor”. I sometimes wonder exactly what y’all expect of a #2 TE. Now Wilson. He has good speed. But he doesn’t know how to do anything (or can’t) once he makes a catch. That is quite different than the #2 TE in what you are looking for. Now my aside: I am watching the Vikes get out played, coached, etc v the Bears right now. Bu the playcalling by xxxx is pertty good thus far. On the other side, the OL for the Vikes has struggled but Whitehair looks pretty good and let me say it: Eric Kush is to his left and I am watching him with a purpose. Thus far he has looked pretty good. I check PFF and his rating is 69. Whitehair 80. If this game has anything to say about Kush and his rating, it ought rise at the next publishing. btw: I am not spending another dime with PFF. Looking at ratings and players, I think they have messed up somehow from 2015 or 2014.