Chiefs: Changes on the DL and What It Means

 

 

 

By now everyone who follows sports knows that the Kansas City Chiefs had a defensive lineman, Roy Miller, involved in a domestic abuse incident over the Bye Weekend and is now unemployed. Without spending any more time than has already been spent on the off-field behavior of the Chiefs ex-player, it should also be noted that the team re-signed the 30-year old veteran defensive lineman Cam Thomas.

 

While Roy Miller appeared in 7 games for the Chiefs this year he had all of 79 defensive snaps or 11 snaps per game. One would assume that Miller would have gotten more snaps if he had been better on the snaps he did get. After all, he was one of the best run-defenders in the NFL… according to Roy Miller. We know he would have gotten more snaps for another reason… the Chiefs run defense has been horrible this season and if the coaches saw him out-performing his team mates you can be sure he’d have been inserted, at least during key spans of the game.

 

While Miller stands 6-foot-1 and weighs 301 lbs his replacement Cam Thomas goes 6-foot-3 and tips the scales at 330 lbs. Thomas was with the Chiefs during camp this summer and personally, I was pulling for him to make the team. Not only does he have the girth that is reminiscent of Dontari Poe but I thought he had a good training camp.

 

Cam Thomas has previously played for the Chargers, Steelers and Rams. Two numbers to remember about Thomas: 101 and 27. Thomas has appeared in 101 NFL games but he’s only started 27. So, what does that mean? It means that even if Cam Thomas is at his best he’s not likely to break into the starting line-up but… will probably be more help than Miller ever was.

 


 

In Other News

 

Andy Reid addressed the media on Monday and here’s a breakdown of his comments:

 

On the Bye Week evaluation– “It was good to have an opportunity to step back and go back through and look at things offensively, defensively and special teams-wise. I was able to do that as the head coach, looking at all three phases and all of the games. There were some things we were doing well and some things we need to improve on.”

 

Following-up on the evaluation- “…we will definitely attack the issues that need to be attacked and continue to get better at some of the things we are doing well.”

 

On the first half schedule- “… the schedule for those first nine games was unique. It was fun and interesting, but unique. Now we start on the second half here and we look forward to that collectively as a team.”

 

The practice on Monday- ” I let the guys run around a little bit today just to loosen up. It wasn’t anything too formal, but just to get themselves back in the swing of things.”

 

On this team- “I like this team and I like their work ethic. I like the way they battled through the first nine games. But there is room for us as coaches and players to improve. To me, I get kind of fired up about that. That is where I am at. That is how I feel as I stand before you right now.”

 

 

Coach Andy Reid mentions the evaluation of the team and states that there were “things to improve on” but also refused to say what those things were. We can only hope that one of the things he is planning on improving is the play calling when the team plays from ahead.

 

Finally… no matter what happens the remainder of this season, Chiefs fans should be excited that they have their RB of the future in Kareem Hunt already in the house:

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • Homer Dave

    the d-line is such a damn enigma. There are good players in house with crazy talent, Jones is an athletically gifted individual, RNR has a crazy first step even with the extra muscle he put on this year, Logan is technically sound, and Bailey is the hulk. This situation reminds of when the o-line couldn’t get it together but can we really compare the upside of the players currently on the d-line with the lack of talent that was amassed in McGlynn and Linkenbach etc. for so long?

  • PaulFromNorthMo

    I’m hoping one thing they figured out is that the D needs to spend more snaps in the base 3-4. Sutton playing so much nickel and dime is allowing their opponents to run roughshod over them. Having these big DL-men doesn’t do a lot of good if they are on the bench. It may be an illusion, but it sure seems we spend a lot of snaps with only 2 DL on the field.
    On offense, I hope we get back to the movement and misdirection. Starting with the Steelers game, our offense seemed to try to become a power run O, and Hunts production shows that’s not working. OK, I’m just going to say it, more jet sweeps.

  • Homer Dave gives good account of things in his assessment(Below). The piece on the right moves a day ago does as well. Yes, the Chiefs released Miller. Cam Thomas is back(even bigger man). But how do you get this all on a keyed approach?

    When do these guys get totally fired up to take it to the next level?

    Next, Laddie mentions play-calling. I am big on that. The Chiefs offense remains far too complicated and it causes, in my view, 3-5 penalties a game. Too, it is a “must perfectly execute” to exploit the nuances of what a given play is designed to do. Sure, Reid has plays in his book that immediately other teams exploit. We have seen it fly this year.

    What I want to see is going to the play makers. The Chiefs have Hill and Kelce. If you are targeting those 2 in the aerial game, then it should open up a third receiver and the run game and using Robinson(who is showing good signs of being a dependable WR). This, then, when coupled with morw play action(by far) would truly help the offensive line execute, and that should give Hunt the opportunity to get loose and make his plays far earlier in the game. Reid just doesn’t seem to see this or use it. Up tempo helps… it freezes the opponent in their switching in and out specialized defenses. That’s a good thing.

    Defense is suffering. I am hoping that Redmond’s addition translates into participation soon not later and not next season. I think he can be an answer to coverage opposite Peters or, given that the Chiefs think that Nelson would be better outside, then do that but something. Perhaps the Chiefs intent to man up as much as possible, needs to be backed away to unfold help over the weaker side of the cornerback play. Or show them a single high and go the other way. Something. Run defense remains a problem. Seth Keyser wrote about the shift in strategy v Dallas. But it wasn’t enough.

    Paul observes that a base 34 is what is needed. The purpose of that is to get the line tied up with 3 men and out side rushes, LBs immediately hitting the gaps in attack mode and the OLBs rushing the passer in concert. Whatever they must do, they must attack the run with the interior LBs. A blitz more often in the plan would help. It is not something the Chiefs do. (otoh, last nite Miami went for it v Newton and a quick pass resulted in an immediate TD).

    Yes, this is a good team. Yes it has play makers. Exploiting the play makers should be the goal in adjustments — and figure out how to deploy an effective defense.

    • berttheclock

      In both Philly and with the Inglewood To Be Rams, they are employing simpler systems and both young QBs are flourishing with so many shotgun “11” packages. Similar to what Peyton Manning loved to run in Denver.

  • tm1946

    Does Reid ever open a crack into the coaching mind. His comments could have been said for the last 20 years by about any HC. I think he should publish a pamphlet on HC comments, number them, then have a presser and say #5, #7, and #13…. have a nice day.

    On Thomas, we need the help.

    • ladner morse

      Boy oh boy… you hit the nail on the head. I know he didn’t turn out to be the best coach but I much preferred the candor and technicolor comments of someone like Herm Edwards.

      • ladner morse

        Of course… you know that Philly fans warned us years ago……

        • tm1946

          Just did not believe it…. refused to believe it… then saw a presser from Philly and except for color of shirt…. matched Chiefs after game presser… every darned word.

    • berttheclock

      Say WHAT? Did you not notice how Andy changed his entire presentation? Usually, he begins with “Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, we have to do better”.

      • tm1946

        Refer to pamphlet… that is reserved for only after game’s presser… listed as #2 on the guide…. #1 being – I have to coach better

        Sort of like NCIS, Gibbs’ rules… where I stole the idea and the tired old coach speak by Reid.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      That’s funny. True but funny. It would save a lot of time.

  • drwillez37

    God I love runningbacks, I’ve always been blessed to be a Chiefs fan in that regard. I’m really pulling for this season and all we gotta do is get in the post season on a hot streak which can carry us to Minnesota

    • berttheclock

      Over the years, I have come to really enjoy a two RB attack. Goes far back to the glory days of West Point with Mr Inside and Mr Outside running amok. Then, you had the great combo in Green Bay of Hornung and Taylor. Look at the new power house running attack of the Saints. Power with Ingram and shiftiness with Kamara. I would love to see a tough runner added to complement Kareem Hunt.

      • berttheclock

        Over the years, many teams reverted to a star running back. For those who were fortunate to watch Eric Dickerson run rampant for the Rams, I suggest they go back and review the terror opponents faced when they played against him at SMU. Then, he had Craig James as his running mate. They were tough to contain. Plus, having that extra RB who can run with skill, you can rest the RBs far more and keep their legs fresh.

        • drwillez37

          Now I was just alittle too young to see Dickerson live I only get to see highlights. I got plentry of Sanders and a few good years of SWEETNESS. But I’m very interested to hear just how explosive and powerful Eric Dickerson was I’m glad you brought him up

          • berttheclock

            Dickerson was deceptive. He sort of glided along. Many a time I would watch him make a run for the Rams and not think that much of it, until I saw that he had gained about 8 yards.

            Of course, being a Jayhawker and having seen Gale Sayers at KU, I am prejudiced about his greatness. Others legitimately say Jim Brown was the best ever. Also, in LA, I watched O J run his sweeps with his legitimate sprinter’s speed.. I’ll just say this. Sayers had the best change of direction I ever have seen. Although, he only ran about a 9.7 100, he could be at top speed in a heartbeat. It was his flip flop cutting which caused D-backs to reverse their angle and he would be by them in a flash. O J just glided past everyone. He reminded me of a faster Bert Coan, who had a great year for the Jayhawks before breaking a leg. He never regained his top speed and by the time he played for the Chiefs, he was slower. However, he combined at both KU and the Chiefs with the hard hitting ground pounding Curtis McClinton. Sadly, today, Mr McClinton is suffering from CTE.

          • jimfromkcj

            We can finally agree on something. Gale Sayers was also the best RB that I ever seen. He had the ability to be moving really fast and just before a defender had a bead on him he would lengthen his stride and they would be left wondering what just happened. Talking about two bacls and I remember when the Chiefs went to two big backs. MacArthur Lane was one of them and I can’t recall the other one. I also remember when the Chiefs really went big on the defensive line by adding Ernie Ladd.

      • ladner morse

        To me Larry Csonka Jim Kiick Mercury Morris was the best backfield I ever saw. Csonka could run over you… Kiick could juke you THEN run over you and Morris was so fast he run away from anyone in the league. They are probably the reason that QB Bob Griese is now in the Hall of Fame.

  • berttheclock

    Yesterday, I was listening to a re-wrap of the Sunday games at NFL Network. When, they mentioned the two back running attack by New Orleans, one of the former NFL players noted that with colder weather approaching for the remainder of the season, more teams will go to the running game. If any defense can’t stop running attacks, then, their off season events are going to begin very early and I don’t mean on the playing field.

  • drwillez37

    There’s nothing worse them a quarterback controversy and it’s a roar all around the league. Thank god not in our woods, I read something about some of the owners want to take the Cowboys away from Jerry Jones??? How is that possible he loves his franchise and has put up so much of his own money for that amazing stadium. I hope Clark Hunt doesn’t have his prints on any of that cause that’s dispicable. And everyone wonders why the ratings are historically low…I’v been watching more NCAAF then ever before in 36 years. And let me tell u I might just make the switch cause this is SAD ALL AROUND TOP TO BOTTOM. I’m really starting to HATE the NFL

    • berttheclock

      Jones has caused a major rift with other owners. He has been leading a crusade to dump Goodell and Goodell has his share of owners supporting him. This comes down to a Texas showdown power play.

      • berttheclock

        BTW, ask Laddie what many in Dallas really feel about Jones.

        • tm1946

          Really think that matters? IF so, wouldn’t the Cleveland owner be in danger. Billionaires fighting billionaires over scraps. Truth is they (both sides) are ready to carve up the NFL for 10 cents and kill the whole deal… as of today, do not really care.

        • ladner morse

          I think it’s gotten worse or Jerry since his induction into the HoF. Now, he doesn’t even care if the other owners are asking him to cease-and-desist … he just just keeps on doing what he wants to do. There were a lot of analysts and radio personalities there who were confronted with Jerry’s nomination… and most of them asked the same question: WHY?

          There’s still a large contingency of fans and announcers alike who believe that Jimmy Johnson was the real reason for the Cowboys 3 Super Bowl victories since Jerry bought the team. While Jimmy and Jerry seemed to have buried the hatchet, there’s no denying that the team has been a .500 team since 1995. Without Jimmy… Jerry has been a totally average owner/GM.

          And that’s another gripe that fans there have… WHY in the H is he the GM. There’s nothing that confirms that he’s a football mind when it comes to functioning as a GM.

          • freshmeat62

            Had an old AF buddy come stay a few days when the eclipse happened. We talked NFL quite a bit. He’s lived in Dallas area most of his life and is a big Cowboys fan, but not a Jerry fan. He agreed w/ what you said about people down there thinking the brains behind the Cowboys SB wins was Jimmy Johnson. I too wonder why in the world is he in the HOF? When they announced him last year I was totally shocked! So many good players are backed up that should be in, and they put that putz in.

          • tm1946

            OR Jones is richer than hades. It is his toy and ego booster. If you own a toy train and you like trains… don’t you want to be the conductor/engineer? Or do you hire some guy off the street to get in front of the cameras and all the ladies asking him questions and the like??

            Give me a team, after the first years income…. I would only take interviews with the cheerleaders…. and would I go nuts!

          • drwillez37

            Is He really the GM in Dallas?

          • berttheclock

            Yes. He makes all of the major decisions.

    • tm1946

      Hate is a strong word… no issue with hating the NFL but pick the correct cause. I got mine, and it ain’t Jerry Jones.

    • Homer Dave

      I don’t like the idea of the other owners forcing Jones to sell, it kinda reeks of socialism to me. My biggest thing about this situation is that somebody actually thinks Goodell is doing a good job. The NFLPA had a very large part in Goodell acquiring all the power that he currently holds, as did the owners, so there is plenty of blame to spread around for the circus that Goodell has created.

      • tm1946

        I find it an oddity that Goodell is even in consideration…. not hate or anything, he does not seem all that good at it. If he spent half his time arguing with owners on player relations… well, not of interest to him.

        • Homer Dave

          RG has made a laughing stock out of the office due to his levying of player suspensions and whatnot. No person should be able to be prosecutor, judge, and the jury and that is exactly what has happened with RG in control. The dude needs reigned in and the GM’s authoritative powers need to be levelled out and/or dispersed to more than one person.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            The problem is, the NFL and NFLPA combined in the last CBA and gave the Commish those powers, if I’m not mistaken. I’m not saying he has used them wisely or correctly, but he was gifted with them.

          • Homer Dave

            You are spot on but if I remember correctly some of those powers were granted in large part due to some type of emergency or something at the time. I was under the impression that RG’s powers were supposed to be relinquished at some point.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Maybe so. I don’t remember that part. I’ll bet when the new CBA comes up, the players will demand some changes.

          • Homer Dave

            owners also unless I miss my guess.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            As long as their making money hand over fist, maybe not so much. Or at least not all of them.

          • Homer Dave

            I would imagine that a large part of Jerry’s intent to displace Goodell stems from RG’s handling of the players who have faced suspensions during Goodell’s reign.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Especially the ones JJ is paying.

          • Homer Dave

            yeah, that was my intent. Seems every year JJ has players who are suspended, or fighting suspension, for multiple games. A very large part of that is in who Dallas is bringing in, but Goodell makes it appear as if he is on a holy-quest in going after them.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            But does RG go after Cowboy’s any more than players from other teams? Or is JJ just signing more than the average scum.
            In this day and age with the public outcry (and rightfully so) about domestic violence, a hard line needs to be established. I realize that Goodell seems inconsistent, but maybe at first he was more lenient hoping that the multitude would learn from the mistakes of the few. That doesn’t seem to have happened, therefore his stance has hardened. I’m not trying to defend his actions, just trying to make sense of it.

          • Homer Dave

            Goodell’s cause would be much easier fought if he didn’t go so far overboard (apparently)and have the courts continually overturn his punishments. I can get behind what you are saying above but Goodell looks to me like someone who is power drunk.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I’m sure he is to a point, the guy is being paid some super serious dough to essentially play god over an entire sports league. I think the public dislike along with the media saturation of the perceived negative conduct of the vast minority of players is what the next CBA really needs to address in detail.
            I mean, how much does the NFL and true fans of the NFL have to put up with players like Burfict?

          • Homer Dave

            Burfict, smh, it’s bad when other players are even calling you out. I’m not sure that Suh has even elicited that type of response from around the league and he’s brutal.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            And they get fined a few K. They still get paid millions, and still get to play in the NFL. Until that changes, they won’t.

          • Homer Dave

            agreed, but then, some people are just plain dicks. I put Suh and Burfict in that category.

          • Homer Dave

            but yeah, making money is numero uno when it comes to NFL owner’s prerogatives.

          • tm1946

            Problem is the NFL is in a period of transition and does not seem to want to get its head out of the sand…. so you end up with da commish vs Jones and, a real likelihood, the NFL will be on a downward cycle, a permanent one.

            I do not express myself well but here goes.

            Some athletes are feeling their “blackness” and are using PC and the lack of backbone of fellow pros.

            The fans are by and large middle class WHITE guys who know they are expected to say the PC stuff…. are expected to be fine with women being seen more threw out the system, and the requirement to expound on how kneeling and turning you nose up to normal America and its slave management -while making millions, is just “justice” or whatever. Guess what, you can verbalize all the PC you want but if you think you are coming out on the short end… _PC goes out the window.

            Owners…. not much integrity here or even similar thought patterns of the Pete Rozzell’s (sorry sp), Lamar Hunt, or owner family in Pitts… no, they seem filthy rich, self absorbed egoists or nameless ( Clark) just take the money and spend it on more favored activities.

            Da Commish – looks like a lost lamb ready for shearing. Oh, he suspends this or fines that but what has he done for the good of football…. next TV contract will not be as $$$$$ as the last… He has long forgotten the fans and that was fine until we got politics on espn, most major media outlets, and players with big mouths or egos.

            Whole lot there to take in but we have witnessed the golden age of the NFL….probably.

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        As I recall, the NFL told Al Davis he couldn’t move his team from LA to Oakland (or maybe it was the other way), he did it anyway. Jones has done or tried to do his own thing for years, from selling coke instead of pepsi (or verse visa) among other things. Heck, If I was the billionaire owner of an NFL team, I wouldn’t want people telling me what I could and couldn’t do.

        • Homer Dave

          lol, I’d be too busy partying to care if I was a billionaire. I’d be hiring people smarter than me (so everyone is eligible) to run the business for me.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            LOL. Oh, I would have my hands stuck right in the middle of everything. Making mud pies if nothing else.

          • Homer Dave

            welp, there we have it, if I’m ever a billionaire I’ll try to hire you to make mud pies while I’m off seeing whatever there is to see over that next hill.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Deal.

          • Homer Dave

            disclaimer: I wouldn’t quit my day job just yet.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Well, crap. I was just composing a note to my boss!

  • ladner morse

    Power Rankings Report:

    NFL.com’s Elliott Harrison has the Chiefs at #8.
    Yahoo Sports has the Chiefs at #6, and
    ESPN — surprise-surprise – has KC at #5.

    The Rest of the AFC West:

    Raiders at #17
    Chargers at #18, and
    Broncos at #22

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      If these guys had actually watched the Donkeys play the past month, they wouldn’t have rated ’em that high.

      • Homer Dave

        yup, bad…bad…bad.

  • ladner morse
  • ladner morse

    The combined W-L record of all the teams the Chiefs have yet to face this year is — 25-and-39.

    • Homer Dave

      I like it. Hopefully the season can continue with KC getting their collective groove back, winning enough games for a playoff berth while simultaneously allowing the starters some rest here and there. Everyone being healthy going into the POs would be a huge boon.

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        Yep, these opponents are why I’ve been saying we should be at least 11-4 going into the New Years Eve game.

        • Homer Dave

          definitely a much easier schedule than the previous 9 games stretch was, 11-4 wouldn’t surprise me a bit. 12-3 is probably too much to ask for, huh? lol.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Yeah, I kinda thought so, about the 12-3. But with 4 home games and probably the 2 easiest on the road, 12-3 should be doable. That last game is going to depend so much on the record of NE and Pitt that I don’t even want to guess at it.

          • Homer Dave

            yup, those 2’s records plus the PO ceding. We all know that Reid won’t hesitate to rest the starters if KC’s cede is set in stone and a W or L has no consequence.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            In a way, I hope that’s how it pans out. I would love to see Mahomes play the entire game.

          • Homer Dave

            ooh, I’m ashamed that I did not think of this without you pointing it out! I suck.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I’ve had the day off, my feeble mind is rested.

          • Homer Dave

            I had a day off about 5 weeks ago. Not going to lie, I’m beat the hell down but next week I have some time off finally. So much to do in that time though, lol.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I know, days off usually tend to be the busiest. At least physically.

  • Chiefly Bacon

    I dug a 3′ 7″ deep hole today by hand. If I had a thought, I’m quite sure I couldn’t make it coherent. Go Chiefs!

    • Homer Dave

      welp, you are coherent enough to use coherent in a sentence so you must be alright. Why such a large hole though? Guinea pig have to move away to a farm?

      • Chiefly Bacon

        We had an electric service bored in, and had to dig a hole on the pole side to find where it was. They thought it was going to be about 30″ down. Turned out to be quite a bit further.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      3′ 7″ deep or diameter?

    • tm1946

      You dig holes, I rake leaves… so far 3 pickup loads. Wish we had for NFL football or golf but leaves are all I can see…..

  • Homer Dave

    this play needs to be remembered just so people understand just how dirty the Pats are.

    #NeverForget Amendola plastering Jamell Fleming on a punt return pic.twitter.com/P4Y6gRsyaV— His Dirknes$ (@HisDirknesS) November 14, 2017

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      That was a nasty one.

      • Homer Dave

        and a smart one at that on NE’s part. If Amendola gets there at the same time as the ball there is a high likelihood of a loose ball happenin’. Get’s there early and it nets out to a 2 yard penalty. This entire scenario was orchestrated by the NE coaches. Dirty bastards.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          Those type of plays should probably result in an ejection.

          • Homer Dave

            I don’t disagree one bit, especially when I see Amendola leading with his helmet like that. Even with the extra rules applied to personal fouls this season, that hit STILL wouldn’t be cause for an ejection though I doubt.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Not in the NFL. I’m not all up to date on NCAA rules. But I think that would be considered targeting, an automatic ejection plus next game suspension. Rules the NFL should consider emulating.

          • Homer Dave

            I agree, the above play could have been catastrophic on so many levels.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I agree. Well, my stepdaughter just stopped by, so I’m going to take off for a while. Have a good evening Dave.

          • Homer Dave

            you do the same Paul, been nice talking.

          • ladner morse

            Right. I’ve said this before but it bares repeating… If they want to put a stop to players who do this crap, take the game away from them. Meaning, have a low tolerance rule where they miss two games the first time and 6 games the next… then 10. All with no paycheck.

  • Homer Dave

    another feather in Alex’s and Reid’s cap this season. Alex will make great trade bait, lol.

    How every QB has performed using 3-step concept dropbackshttps://t.co/6hW3LO5wRV pic.twitter.com/BWSd85kDdY— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) November 15, 2017

  • In the end, they must have decided not to bring an xperienced DLman. I had Howard in my sights as my example. They did make moves, but nothing significant. sigh by God.