Chiefs Gone Wild

 

 

 

For a team that had the look of a real princess about to become a bride, this season has turned from magical to nasty with a capital “N.” As in, “Nasty Boys” by Janet Jackson which says, 

 

“Nasty, nasty boys, don’t mean a thing
Oh you nasty boys
Nasty, nasty boys, don’t ever change
Oh you nasty boys”

 

There’s just no getting around the fact that the Kansas City Chiefs have squandered an opportunity to take over the AFC West, and the whole AFC, and the whole NFL for all that matters.

 

For years I used to think the Chiefs were soft and that if they could only acquire some players with “attitude” then they could have a better chance at winning a ring. Well, bringing in a hot head like Marcus Peters, or a talented but volatile guy like Travis Kelce, or a pothead like Demarcus Robinson (although I must admit he’s been no problem), hasn’t helped move the needle towards a championship as far as I can tell.

 

While the Chiefs have supposedly had one of the best rosters in the league for the better part of three years, they have one playoff win over the Houston Texans to show for their trouble and this year we may not even see any playoff games involving the Chiefs… at all.

 

While the details of the game yesterday are intriguing in that QB Alex Smith reemerged as the dominant force that he was early in the year (19 of 33, 366 yards passing, 95.3 QBR and a 70 yards run) this game also represents reflection of where the team is at. With four games to go in this season, we can begin to see the image that will be left of this season, when it’s over. Whether K.C. wins the next four in a row and goes 10-6… or losses out and goes 6-10… or somewhere in the middle, we’re beginning to see just exactly who and what this team is.

 

That appears to be the “Chiefs Gone Wild” alluded to in the title of this piece. I’m sure we’ve all had the experience in life in which we say, “Boy, life just hasn’t gone the way I thought it would.” This Chiefs season would be the anthesis of that praxis.

 

Who would have guessed that:

 

  • Clark Hunt would fire John Dorsey 8 weeks before training camp?
  • The normally languid Tamba Hali would go on a tirade about his playing time in the playoff game vs the Steelers the week before training camp?
  • The mild mannered Alex Smith would give an interview early in the season  in which he drops the “F-bomb” when asked if he was bothered when the team drafted their QBOTF… and he responded, “F-it, just F-it.”
  • The new and improved team leader Travis Kelce would loss his cool — again — and this time by throwing something — it looked like a sock from his pocket — at a referee?
  • Marcus Peters’ lay would decline and on top of it, he’d become the team’s worst enemy but walking off the field because he thought he was ejected, thus missing the next important play… then reappearing with no socks on (you can’t make this stuff up).
  • Justin Houston would disappear in the last half of the season (he has 2 sacks in the past 7 games and optics are even worse than that).
  • Andy Reid would get so lost inside his head like a mindless child when he’s holding his play-card, that he’d forget to monitor game situations (like we’ve never heard him do that before).
  • The absence of defensive leader Eric Berry would have such a nasty effect on this defense.

 

Mind you, a lot of the above could be seen as highly entertaining, from a certain point of view. The Chiefs were given a Prime Time TV opportunity to make the nation stand up and take notice this year but instead, they’ve just been an embarrassment to the city of Kansas City.

 

What is troubling to the Chiefs is troubling from the top down — discipline. There are too many personnel who lack “personal” discipline… and then the team is lacking a leader (coach) who will discipline them when necessary, in a meaningful way. With my background in education for 39 years, it’s my experience that humans need to have the thing they want most, taken away from them… before there is real change involved.

 

I doubt the NFL, and Roger Goodell’s office, will do anything about Marcus Peters throwing a ref’s flag into the stands and I don’t think that would be meaningful to him anyway. On the other hand, if his coach (Andy Reid, for those keeping score) was to take a game away from Peters… that would speak volumes to him… and the team. Reid has the power to do it… but I’m sure he won’t. Consequently, Peters will keep on keeping on… being himself, just the way he is: a hot head. If Andy Reid is serious about being a leader — and teacher — of men, then he will teach Peters that there is a right way and wrong way to do things. The only thing he’ll understand is to take the game away from him. Period.

 

Why make such a big deal of the Marcus Peters situation in this game? Precisely because it is a microcosm of the exact problems this team is having. Little discipline. Close to no shared discipline… leading to nearly no inter-dependence. Consequently, zero accountability. By not making Peters an example… the team see that anything goes. Then, the whole “we’re shooting for a Super Bowl” adage goes away and everyone knows they’re just playing for a paycheck. And the fans are none the wiser.

 

Andy Reid has said it before himself, each game comes down to a few plays. The Chiefs have been in several of these losses they’ve had but those game turned on but a few critical plays. Why did the Chiefs lose on those plays? Discipline.

 

Discipline was lacking because:

 

 

 

 

 

Someone needs to tell Steven Nelson that Sumo wrestler moves are not allowed in the NFL… especially in the end zone on 3rd-down-and-goal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Someone needs to ring Beanie-brain Logan’s bell and tell him that you can’t cold-cock a defenseless Center in the helmet on FG tries… especially FG tries on 4th down that lead to a first down for the other team and a chance for them to put even more points on the board. Which is exactly what happened..

 

 

Someone needs to explain to Derrick Johnson that when QB Josh McCown tries to fake you out on a 3rd-and-10 when he’s running for his life… that it’s just a fake-fake (it’s like when some people say, “it’s all fake news” when in fact, they’re just faking). The Fairy Tale lesson here: McCown can’t fake anyone out. C’mon, it’s freakin’ 3rd-and-10!

 

 

Someone needs to explain to Terrance Mitchell that when you’re going to hold a WR on a 3rd-and-4 at midfield giving the other team a 5-yards token and a first down (he must be horrible at Monopoly: “Here, you may have $200 Dollars and Pass Go, it’s free, just take it”), that THAT’S the reason you were pulled from the field for the next play. It gripes me to no end to see the coaches over there just patting him on the back after a play like that. What’s up with that crapola!

 

Someone might want to explain to Marcus Peters that when it’s 3rd-and-11 that you might want to cover a little closer SO YOU DON’T GIVE UP A 14 YARD RECEPTION RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU (yes, that me yelling)! And a first down of course. I don’t get it… I thought Peters was “serving turkeys”… last week? Oh well, hard to keep a guy down who is caught up in the spirit of giving.

 

Someone needs to tell DC Bob Sutton that it’s okay to look like he’s about to yell at you instead of getting ready for a long winter’s nap.

 

Someone needs to make sure Reggie Ragland gets more snaps (that some one would be Andy Reid… who needs to tell Bob Sutton… if he knows who that is).

 

You can site that the time of possession (TOP) battle was won by the Jets 42:49 to the Chiefs 17:11 but the real question is, why? Why did the Jets win the TOP? It’s because they were 13-of-20 in 3rd Down Efficiency. If the Chiefs D wins any one of those 3rd down plays — all those plays mentioned above — then this game takes a turn in the Chiefs favor. As would all the other games they’ve lost this season.

 

The K.C. Chiefs need to hope they can out un-mistake — meaning, out discipline — the Oakland Raiders, their next opponent, or their season is likely over six days from now. If that happens, it won’t be so much a matter of Chiefs Gone Wild… or Chiefs FANS Gone Wild… as it will be, “Chiefs Fans Gone.” Period. End of sentence. End of prison sentence for the fans.

 

 

 

 

 

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  • drwillez37

    Well thay was another rough day!!! Buy what a fun game to watch in person at the other teams field

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      We’re glad you had a great time!

  • HOMER!! Dave

    hehe, Peters’ very best play from the season…..

    Chiefs have lost 6 of the last 7 and Marcus Peters is fed up. pic.twitter.com/sK4hTKJm7l— Bleacher Report (@BleacherReport) December 3, 2017

    • drwillez37

      We’re all fed up..I’m just done being MAD about it. They stopped caring and playing with heart so I stopped investing emotions into this team. It makes it so much easier to just watch and enjoy what they give us. Total sumission into mediocrity…like we never been here before

      • HOMER!! Dave

        man, I became un-invested WEEKS ago, pretty much when they were laying eggs on prime-time television. I work on weekends and not being able to see the games in real time has been somewhat of a blessing.

        • drwillez37

          It’s been nice getting all the games on the TV but that probably won’t be happening again…and great points by Laddie this team lacks leadership and lots of disipline..who can tell who’s at fault cause it’s really bad and most likely beyond fixing for this season at least.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            there’s going to be a fire-sale if this continues.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            There needs to be one. I’m adding Parker to the list of players to cut.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            hehe, among others. One thing I am NOT buying into -and never have for that matter- is that a strong locker room is able to handle X-and-X amount of bad seeds. Now that Peters doesn’t have 2 full time babysitters h’s acting out of control.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I’m still not putting Peters in the same class as Pacman Jones, Burfict or Talib, but he’s definitely working his way up the ladder.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            lol, we don’t have to worry about Peters joining THAT illustrious group, Peters shies away from contract.

      • tm1946

        But how bad do you need football, NFL and Chiefs football. There are college team, heck Jr college teams, HS teams. At some point don’t fans have to stand up and say – I know we do not own this team but we stand and yell our heads off for “our” team and this is not our team. Have a nice day and see you when you fix this, if you chose to fix this.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Oh, man. That’s funny, but it should have been Sutton instead of “Reid”.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        wish someone would just ADD Sutton in there along WITH Reid.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Live look at the Chiefs season… pic.twitter.com/Z9KTNpY8M9— Todd Fuhrman (@ToddFuhrman) December 3, 2017

  • HOMER!! Dave

    do with this what you will, but if you have ever wondered how much bad, a good locker room can endure….

    Ive received texts from both former #royals and #chiefs today bitching about Peters. When former players are calling out a current player don't come at me with "he did nothing wrong" Peters is 100% what's wrong with this team right now Me > Team. Disaster. Sad— Bob Fescoe (@bobfescoe) December 3, 2017

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      I’m so up in the air about Peters. Sometimes his play is exemplary, every corner gets beat, the rules of the game almost ensure it. But his actions/reactions can be so stupid. I thought that last holding call against Nelson was bogus, it looked to me like the receiver just fell down.
      The funny thing about the PF against Peters, it didn’t matter, the Jets declined it and upheld the holding call.
      At other times he seems to be the only one with his head in the game, he called a timeout just prior to that. Fouts said because the Chiefs were in the wrong D, but I’m not sure we just had 10 men on the field.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        I starting to think that Peters is in the wrong type of system, he just doesn’t have the supporting cast to allow him to do his thing. Yet, he’s not the type of player that a defense can build solely around either, imho.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          That’s kinda the way I think about him. I think that’s what pisses him off so much, Sutton is forcing him out of his strengths. The kid makes good plays every game, it’s just everyone wants to focus on the negative. The bad part is, he provides plenty of negative to focus on.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            couldn’t agree more, so much good comes out of the kid and just as much bad comes out simultaneously. The dude is his yang to his own ying.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            One problem with having old men coordinators, they can’t relate to gen-x, or whatever these kids are called now. If Reid stays, I would love to see both Sutton and Toub replaced. The rest of the league has figured out both and it’s time for some new ideas.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            I agree about getting coaches that are more in touch with the youthful players, but “Millennials” have some real problems themselves. Or maybe I’m just getting old, myself, lol.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Oh man, I know I am (getting old that is), but something just doesn’t seem right not he Chiefs sideline and hasn’t all year. Or really for about the past 3 years.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            agreed.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    While I was casually reading through some twitter taeks and other comments elsewhere, it would seem that Chief’s world finally has it’s whoopin’ boy(s). KC’s defense DID suck yesterday but they are FAR away the sole blame for the season.

    It might just be that it is well past time for a rebuild.

    • tm1946

      If it mattered, the Chiefs are the spoiled brats of the NFL…. quite a joke on the internet. But it does not matter. Clark Hunt can hide in Texas or wherever and get his checks, Reid can have his pressers with the same old comments, and the thugs can wear red uniforms….

      Rebuild… will not do it, nor can that happen much before 2019. No, you fired people and lose games until you get upper management under control… after you fire Peters and Reid (will toss in Sutton – not sure how bad a coach he is, might be letting the thugs run the place or just doing what Reid wants).

      • HOMER!! Dave

        A rebuild can start at anytime once. Coaches can be fired, deals can be worked under the table for players, etc. etc.

        The example stings a little, but Oakland was in a nasty situation about 4-5 years ago and they had to make some hard choices. KC might have to take a similar path in order to get the salary cap, player and coaching staff back under control.

        As much as I hate to admit it, it might BE time to make jettison of Reid after the season just because of the difficultly involved with an interim coaching staff invoking extreme culture change, and extreme culture change is what is needed in KC.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          The only hesitation I have to a total rebuild, especially at HC, is what about Mahomes. The Chiefs invested a lot in him and I wouldn’t want to bring in a new coach that would jeopardize that investment, at least until we see if he is worth it. Now maybe if Clark hired Chucky, because he seemed enamored with PM, but i’m not sure Chucky is any better coach than Andy the Red.
          Whatshisname, the Patriots OC, he failed in Denver, but I would be willing to give him a second chance at HC.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            Yup, Mahomes is my worrying point also in all of this mess and it only becomes more worrisome the more I think and hear about Reid being fired. KC finally, finally, finally, gets a bonafide, real potential, high ceiling caliber prospect at QB and the idea of him getting traded in order to rebuild a team in need of draft picks is very real.

            Some days I really really hate stuff.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Trading Mahomes to use in a rebuild would be the epitome of stupid. I’ve heard that kind of talk also, but I can’t imagine anyone with actual involvement in the situation would take it seriously.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            I agree about the level of stupidity, and short sidedness of enacting such a plan. Here KC sits on the cusp of having a guy at QB on a cheap, rookie contract. That affords a lot of room in order to pay attention to other positions and needs.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Yep, and that is why I really think Andy the Red will still be here for probably at least 3 more years. I just wish he would upgrade his assistant coaches. A couple of them are assisting him up the steps of the gallows, he doesn’t need them putting the rope around his neck.

          • tm1946

            Wish I could figure it out… ALL the coaches seem to have collectively lost their minds… even Toub is losing it. Add the players are running around like chickens without heads (ie Houston – no tackles or sacks the entire game). How did one organization go so wrong all at once??

          • HOMER!! Dave

            all on the same train? Once the engine goes over the cliff, the rest of the cars usually follow.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            LOL

          • HOMER!! Dave

            Lmbo, I instantly thought about Led Zeppelin.

            Friends did you get some silver?
            Did you get a little gold?
            What did you bring me my dear friends
            To keep me from the gallows pole?

  • tm1946

    Any pro team can have a childish player, here or there. but NOT a roster full on both sides of the ball and LASTLY the best players on the team. Notice, the “good” ones are not correcting anything because they see the HC loving on the thugs.

    It is time for Clark Hunt to step in and blow this up. If he “cared” about his team, he would walk in today and fired Reid, Sutton, and Peters on the spot, have guard walk them to their cars and a sheriff’s escort to get the hell out of Jackson County. Then he tells the rest of the team, win or your next task will be begging for another NFL team to resurrect your career.

    Yes the Cheifs will lose a lot of game until at least 2019 but the thugs are shaking and dancing their way to being as big a bunch of losers as KC has seen since Charlie O.

  • Tazmosis

    I am wondering, that if Hunt had not re-signed Andy Reid before this season to an expensive long term deal, if he would be so inclined to re-sign him at all. Reid has shown in the past seven weeks, that not only has he lost much of his past abilities to coach a winning team, he has just shown us that maybe he just has lost his heart and will to coach. Look at the team. It has not one leader on either side of the ball. I guess the only one close on offense would be Alex Smith. And on defense, it is obvious that Eric Berry is the heart and soul of that unit. On top of all of that, this team is loaded with guys who just can’t play, and coaches who are lead be someone who can’t coach. Sorry, Andy. You are not who you used to be. Or maybe the Philly fans were right.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Here’s another thought. Through either the draft or free agency, John Dorsey brought all of these D-backs onto this team except Eric Berry. Peters is the best we have and you can see what is happening in our backfield without Berry.
      The linebackers are the most important group in the 3-4 defense and yet we are only playing one single LB that Dorsey brought onto this team, Zombo, who maybe our weakest one.
      And then we have the total mess with the salary cap, all Dorsey’s doing.
      Maybe Clark’s firing of Dorsey was the right thing to do and is the fix we need, it’s just going to take a couple years to get out from under all of his blunders.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        this is a solid taek. And yup, it could very well take years to get this ship righted.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          The salary cap is a total mess for 2018, I swear I should have done better. Even with the jettisoning of some high cap number players, next year will still be a struggle to field a quality team. We have a good nucleus on offense, but the D is a mess as you all know.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            Yup, the O should, could, be fine. Kelce (even though I have concern with him peaking before the supporting team can be assembled), Hill, Hunt, D-Rob? (I just dunno on that one) and hopefully, hopefully Mahomes to successfully lead them.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            My biggest reservation is the fantastic O-line Dorsey assembled. Add in Conley and maybe Chesson, We need another RB to supplement Hunt. Maybe Ware can be that guy for a year or two, but his running style has about done him in I’m afraid.
            Agree about Kelce getting old on us, but there are more where he came from, we just need a GM that doesn’t get complacent.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            I didn’t think about Conley, good call. I’m in wait and see mode about Chesson though.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Chesson has looked pretty good on ST’s. I can’t wait till we have a QB that doesn’t consistently under throw the ball.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            me neither, me neither.

          • tm1946

            Morse got his new contract and has spent more time injured than the entire time BEFORE the new contract… just like Houston and Hali?

          • HOMER!! Dave

            big, big difference in salaries though, Morse averages 1.16 a year…and Morse was just drafted in 2015.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Morse is still on his rookie deal, I believe you’re thinking about the RG, LDT.

          • tm1946

            Think Morse got a contract at the same time… Anyone want to help on this one?

          • HOMER!! Dave

            I looked Morse up on spotrac, lemme do it again.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            nope, sorry bub, he’s on a rookie contract and an UFA in 2018.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Maybe you’re thinking Fisher, LT that isn’t very good?

      • berttheclock

        If you really want to see something about a LB not being on this team and one who could really help, well, two actually, look back at the 2012 NFL draft. Only 5 years ago, so, players from that draft are still very much pertinent to helping a team. Pioli was in charge of that draft. He took Poe in the first round. Now, Poe would really be able to help the front line of the D be much stronger this year, but, the Chiefs ran out of money and he left for Atlanta. That is not on Pioli. But, we all know in the 3rd round Pioli by-passed Russell Wilson to take Stephenson, a real bust. However, few even think of what happened in the 2nd round. Pioli took Jeff Allen, an OG from Illinois. He is presently with Houston, where yesterday, after being moved to LOT, he made 3 false starts in the same crucial 4th quarter series. Look back at that draft and see who the next 3 players were who were left on the board by Pioli. Now, after looking, do you happen to notice any of the 3 who could have really helped the Chiefs? Alshon Jeffery was next and with him on board, Dorsey would have never have had to give Bowe such a large increase. But, look at the next two players. Mychal Kendricks, the excellent LB who is with the Eagles,followed Jeffery. Drum roll for the 3rd player. Did you see how Bobby Wagner of Seattle has turned into a Pro Bowl star at LB?

        This is why I never liked Pioli very much. It was not just who he picked in the draft, but, who he left for other teams. Bobby Wagner would be a terror at LB for the Chiefs.

        • ladner morse

          Back seat driver in the draft is always hard to figure… but about Wagner… he’s likely going to be in the HoF if he keeps this up.

        • jimfromkcj

          bert, I don’t know if you remember, but I was wanting to trade Houston for picks back in 2015. I also wanted to draft A. Dupree to replace Houston instead of Peters. Back then Houston had value and we could have got a couple of high round picks for him. Now I doubt we could even find a team to take him and his salary off our hands.

      • Chiefly Bacon

        EXCELLENT post from wise man Paul. This is about where I’m at too. Chiefs invested a lot of picks and signings on the defense. Most didn’t work out.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          Ha Ha, wise man indeed. Now I’ve been called a wise guy, but most times, just a smart a$$!

  • HOMER!! Dave

    wow, here’s a thought. I don’t listen to podcasts, and won’t either, but Bill Maas rarely talks out of his butt.

    "I think he was more powerful than the head coach" – @BillMaas on the loss in leadership without Eric Berry #Chiefs— 610 Sports Radio- KC (@610SportsKC) December 4, 2017

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      If true, that’s a sad, sad situation.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        yeah, and who knows the real truth but from what I can tell about Maas, he still has ears inside of the KC locker room.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      Berry is amazing, but if this is true, Sutton needs to be fired yesterday.

  • freshmeat62

    It was drwillez37 who stated down below something to the effect that it’s a lot easier to watch the Chiefs, when you have lost interest, not completely you understand, but the same caring just isn’t there. I wasn’t inclined to throw anything yesterday, where 5-6 weeks ago I was…and did.

    Nope, now I’ve found that I feel sorry for Andy Reid. Yeah I know, I’ve been one of his biggest critics, but to see him lose control of this team like this, after a really pretty good career, is a shame. As a human being, I think he is a pretty good guy, and I don’t like to see bad things happening to good people.

    It’s time to blow it up, AGAIN, and Lil Clark go on another of his fruitless searches for a new administration of coaches. He’s beginning to remind me of Jack Steadman, another self proclaimed football, and H.R. expert.

    This year’s over, and next year’s going to be the 1st of who knows how many years of a rebuild!?!?

  • HOMER!! Dave

    reawatching some of the game, Ragland getting a lot of love. I like him.

  • freshmeat62

    One thing I noticed about the o-line yesterday, was that while they are still terrible at run blocking, the couple of times they did make a hole to run thru, a Jets LB or safety ran thru it first.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    At least they are trying to see what Kpassagnon has. Went from 4% to 14% and then jumped to 31% this week. Bad news is the defense stunk out loud https://t.co/1RwqnbrMDf— Cody Tapp (@codybtapp) December 4, 2017

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Kareem Hunt with 10 carries….

    At least they are trying to see what Kpassagnon has. Went from 4% to 14% and then jumped to 31% this week. Bad news is the defense stunk out loud https://t.co/1RwqnbrMDf— Cody Tapp (@codybtapp) December 4, 2017

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Peters smilin’ as he’s walking off the field after chucking that ref’s flag. Dude is mentally weak.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Or just plain mental, but hellsfire, Dorsey did his due diligence so everything should be just fine!

      • HOMER!! Dave

        Yup, properly vetted and all that. S’all good, lol.

    • freshmeat62

      That’s what you might call an embarrassment smile. He knows he screwed up, but he has to try and keep up his tough guy, I don’t care, facade.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        not disagreeing with that, but he should never have been in that position in the first place.

        • freshmeat62

          Don’t understand. Put in what position?

          • HOMER!! Dave

            in a position to have to smile like that in any case. Peters’ throwing the ref’s flag, not keeping his cool, etc.

    • Peters must be benched

  • HOMER!! Dave

    wasn’t so sure what the most annoying thing in the world was before yesterday, but it is now that dumb-ass air-raid horn that they play in Jet’s land.

    • tm1946

      But…. we got “BOOOO’s”

      • HOMER!! Dave

        lol, and still less annoying than the air horn.

  • tm1946

    National cookie day… wonder if they taste the same?

    By the by, with all the “suggestions” to the Chiefs… Anyone remember Kelce being on the sidelines and a pass attempt to an blocking OL who replaced him?

    • HOMER!! Dave

      I heard that Reid felt sorry for Erving because the guy was getting zero playing time. Erving felt sad because he wasn’t getting to play any of the reindeer games. So you know, KC went and ruined a drive because of him, lol.

      • tm1946

        Reindeer games – good movie… soft porn and the gal gets killed… win, win.

        • HOMER!! Dave

          was that the Ben Affleck movie? wait Skeet Ulrich? crap, I can’t remember.

    • freshmeat62

      With all the other good/bad stuff to bellyache about, we had skipped over that little fiasco.

    • berttheclock

      I think you should rephrase that to a one time defensive linemen turned into a work in progress at Florida State at trying to block, then, turned into a turnstile with the Browns.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Oh man, I didn’t need to be reminded of that joke of a play. Pretty smart move, leaving the best TE in the NFL on the bench and pass to a backup OL. PATHETIC play calling, I wonder if that one was Nagy’s?

      • berttheclock

        One thing did bother me about Nagy’s play calling. Yes, I agree with you about the insipid attempt to Erving, but, in the beginning of the game, Nagy used both motion and play action to free up receivers. Then, after vaulting quickly into the lead, he went into Reid’s sleep mode. He did return to both uses later the game and they worked. Now, Smith is far from being Steve Deberg on play action, but, using it did freeze defenders.

        • tm1946

          Maybe Reid took over late in the game? his style – score close and one TD should win it…what Reid even says he likes.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          I think reverting to the “Reid” style offense, was to use up some play clock and give the defense some rest. That was the problem with the 20 second drive, yes we scored a TD, but the D had just spent 9 ½ minutes on the field.
          But on the other hand, if we had a defense that could stop someone, anyone, that would have helped.

          • berttheclock

            Yes, but, using motion does help the running game as well. Without it, defenses simply wait for Smith to hand off to Hunt.

          • tm1946

            Had a HS coach at half of a particularly big butt kicking say…. If you want to change things , make a damned tackle and get off the field.

            Next Monday the defense ran the stadium stair for what seemed the entire practice… might try that on Peters??

          • ladner morse

            When you spend that much time on the field… mostly from self inflicted wounds… you end up making a guy like Josh McCown look like the real GOAT.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Ain’t that the truth.

      • tm1946

        Do not forget Houston – ZERO tackles and sacks… I did see him on the field…. standing around a lot… as my dementia allows me to recall.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          It seems that other coaches have the ability to game plan around our best players. We just don’t have enough “best” players on defense.
          Down by 7 with time running out, DB Sutton finally called for a couple blitzes, and wow, the Jets QB actually had to scramble.

          • tm1946

            One blitz I recall was Zombo and Mitchell… another time Zombo almost had a sack.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            There was one where Parker blitzed, but like all of his other attempted tackles, he whiffed.

          • tm1946

            That is why edge rusher is a special talent… not a question of just speed and OL breakdown…. need control.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            and a team needs TWO of them.

          • tm1946

            Today, right now, would settle for one.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Come on, let’s be greedy, we need three. lol

          • HOMER!! Dave

            GREED for everyone!!!

          • HOMER!! Dave

            The Houston dilemma reminds me of when Neil Smith turned tradecoat and went to Denver leaving DT58 all on his own. Or when Jared Allen left Tamba back in the day. It takes two, it just does.

          • ladner morse

            The words, “Zombo” and “almost” are two words that seem destined to go together.

      • Tazmosis

        Wouldn’t be surprised if Andy didn’t slip that one in there. That is certainly something he would call. It’s as if he was saying to himself, “they will never see this coming”. Problem is, dude can’t catch.

        • HOMER!! Dave

          or football, lol.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          Heck, he was double covered, the pass should never have been thrown.

    • berttheclock

      Please, don’t mention cookies. I had gotten over them until Pat decided to bake some chocolate chips last year. I liked them so much, I began to never ever leave Costco without buying some. I even had to install a Nanny Cam in the kitchen as “critters” kept munching on them. Was not me, I swear.

      • tm1946

        Not a big chocolate chip fan… but remember a bakery on Main St in KCMO that baked Ginger Bread Men – the greatest guys visiting for Christmas… eat arms first, then legs then head and body….. Suppose it is not there anymore but the memory will always be there.

      • ladner morse

        … hehehe…. reminds me that years ago, kids at school used to call me the “Cookie Man” because I used to encourage kids to bring cookies to school… and now bringing any treats at all to school is strictly forbidden. My how times have changed.

        My favorite cookie is called a Chocolate Crinkle or some teacher in Texas also said it’s called a Wagon Wheel. Kind of tastes like a brownie but has powered Sugar sprinkled on top which cracks as the cookie bakes. Man… now see what you’ve done! I’ve got to go looking for some Crinkles.

    • freshmeat62

      Yeah it’s that time of year again. Where the Chiefs have been kind enough to help us lose interest in them, so we can concentrate on the important stuff like making Christmas cookies w/ the grandkids.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        yup, even when Kc was in the 5 game start of the season, the Grandkids took precedence.

  • berttheclock

    Absolutely top notch thinking Laddie. Just discipline Peters and you will send a message to the team, eh? Why not discipline the DC, Boob, yes, I did mean to write that word, Boob Sutton. He allowed his so-called defense to make a 38 year old journeyman look like an actual NFL star at QB. On one series, McCown was allowed to drive his team to a score with 8 of 9 passes hitting the target to keep moving the chains. Also, McCown at the age of 38 was able to run for two first downs, one of which you noted above as being a 3rd and long.

    Why not suspend Sutton without pay for a week?

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Forget suspending Sutton, just fire his worthless butt. You forgot to mention the 2 QB “sneak” for TD’s.

    • ladner morse

      Better yet, why not put Boob Slutton (btw… LOVE that new name for him — Boob)…. just put him in the game at NT for one play. That should set him straight… straight to the hospital. The they’ll be forced to make a new hire.

      Oh wait, that might not work… Reid might start calling Defensive plays too.

  • berttheclock

    Meanwhile, in Seattle last night, Bobby Wagner the All Pro LB terrorized Wentz and the Eagles. He was on the draft board when Pioli, “wisely”, took Jeff Allen, who, yesterday, made 3 false starts for the Texans in just one series.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Haha, AA has a valid point…

    It’s sad but this made me laugh all the same. pic.twitter.com/fSdK6J6cGE— Arrowhead Addict (@ArrowheadAddict) December 4, 2017

    • tm1946

      AA can go both ways…. Pride will give you diabetes …. then we got us.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        ulcerative colitis?

  • berttheclock

    Yes, as some have noted a great deal of using the draft comes down to rolling the dice. But, drafts do matter. Green Bay has used the draft far more than signing FAs. So, drafts are important to, either, rebuilding or rearming. I have mentioned Pioli’s 2012 draft as being an example of not having one of his top 3 picks even with the team any longer and the fact one of Pioli’s biggest problems was not in just who he drafted, but, who he left on board for other teams. You can go back and peruse many of his picks and you may well note All Pro players he left on board after his pick. That noted, the loss of Poe to Atlanta this season has really hurt the strength of our front D-line. Without him, the Chiefs have no one to pick up double teams. Logan’s best year in 2015 with Philly came when he had Fletcher Cox playing next to him. He is the type of D-lineman who really needs better players on the line next to him. He does not possess the power all by himself. I believe he was a great pickup by Veach, but, he needs much better on the line with him.

    • tm1946

      Many points but this is why the next rebuild may be flat …. painful. we have need and no picks (not enough anyway).

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      But that kind of stuff can be said about every single GM in every single draft. We can go back to 2014 and when Dorsey selected the great bust Dee Ford, Kelvin Benjamin, Bradley Roby and even better, DeMarcus Lawrence the great LB for Dallas were on the board.

      • berttheclock

        Having had to sit through the lost in the Gobi desert days of Steadman/Schaaf, I remember them trading up to take Steve Fuller and leaving Joe Montana and Nolan Cromwell on the board. Plus, they even left the great TE Dwight Clark on board. The scout sent to the game in South Carolina to scout Clark came back raving about Fuller. I am just getting too old and too tired to have to sit through another rebuild.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          As I recall, Montana wasn’t picked until round three, everyone fell asleep on him.

          • berttheclock

            Too small, many GMs thought. What they did not see was what I saw of him in his last game in the LA Coliseum against USC. He had that knack of being able to play from behind. That same trait was what Belichick saw in the films sent to him by a friend of Brady in college. Also, Russell Wilson has that ability to lead from behind.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Unfortunately, that’s something our current starting QB doesn’t have.

  • berttheclock

    “For all the sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these, ‘what might have been’.

    John Greenleaf Whittier

    • berttheclock

      That, for myself, applies to the 2017 NFL draft.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    per PFF and their ugly, largely-inconsistent, early grading system.

    On passes with no pressure: 17-21 for 323 yards, three touchdowns and a 158.3 passer rating
    On passes with pressure: 2-12 for 43 yards, one touchdown, two sacks, one run and a 69.8 passer rating (15 dropbacks).

    this reinforces what I thought I saw when watching the game twice now. Smith did superb when he let if fly and Nagy/Reid/Whoever were taking advantage of the Jets playing aggressive from the LOS on our receivers. The rest of his game was just so-so again.

    Statistics are good people, but they MUST be used in context.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      You’ve watched the game twice? Holy cow, do you watch it fast forward of something? I’m constantly backing up to see more, or to see if I saw it right the first time.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        I do fastforward past the b.s., too bad that includes nearly every defensive play, lol.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          Sometimes for me it depends on the commentators, I couldn’t care less about listening to Gannon, yesterday wasn’t much better.

          • berttheclock

            Somewhere along the line, Fouts has really lost it.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Did he actually ever have it? lol

          • berttheclock

            I still believe Tony Romo is the best with Charles Davis a close second.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            Gannon still resents everything KC, and I can’t blame him, lol.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            But a true pro wouldn’t let that show, Romo was pretty unbiased when we played Dallas.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            difference in the times perhaps? I agree about Romo though, I don’t think he sees uniforms as much as he does Xs-and-Os.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      So what you are saying is that when under pressure, Alex still sucks?

      • HOMER!! Dave

        lmbo, actually, last night when I first watched the game I didn’t think Smith actually played all that well except for the long ball throws (4 of them anyway). That said, I understand and accept that I don’t like Smith as our QB, and that blurs how I view his performances. Baby steps, man, baby steps to self acceptance.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          I agree about his play, some of his throws were off target just enough to make it hard on the receivers. The very first pass, I think a little out route to Hunt, Hunt made a very good catch. If incomplete, I think Smith would have reverted to his old self. He seems to need a very strong start to continue strong.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Marcus Peters threw that flag so far it hit Alex Mack 😂 pic.twitter.com/RCo5Z4vbrH— Ryan915 (@Ryan915) December 4, 2017

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      This thing is going to replace the Buttfumble on the all time highlight reels. lol

      • HOMER!! Dave

        BLASPHEME!!! nuthin’ will EVER replace the “butt-fumble”!!!

  • berttheclock

    PFF gave high marks to McCown who was 18 of 19 on passes within 0 to 9 yards of the line for 231 yards. Also, they gave high marks to DL Leonard Williams for his 9 pressures on Alex Smith. But, they awarded the game ball to Jermaine Kearse, a former walkon with the Seahawks. In one of the smartest moves by any GM this year, the Jets sent Sheldon Richardson to Seattle on September 1st for a 2nd round draft pick and Kearse. Kearse, in his years with playing with Russell Wilson had learned how to always find an open hole in the secondary.

  • PaulFromNorthMo

    After all this, if we win the next two games, and one of the last two, we still win the division. Destiny is in our own hands. So now with their backs truly against a wall, we will see if this team has any real fight left in them.

    • berttheclock

      Did you watch the early shows at NFL Network this AM? On the road to the playoffs graph, they showed a really crowded field for the possible wild cards. Plus, did you happen to see that long run by Beast Mode against the Giants? In addition, the Raiders were showcasing backup wideouts.

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        No to all of those, I don’t have cable, nor will I ever again. And other than my time here on A1, I’ve been too busy this morning to spend time perusing other sites.

        • berttheclock

          Johnny Holton was a 2016 walkon with the Raiders and made the team due to ST play. He is six one. Yesterday, he caught 3 passes, one for a TD. But, one was an outstanding sideline tip toes down catch to really move the chains. Plus, with both Cooper and Crabtree out, Patterson, the former Vol who played with Bray in college, really excelled with his great speed.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    good read, pretty blunt taek on how the players feel right now- seeing as how the quotes come straight from the players themselves..

    “Everybody else is looking to somebody else to make plays and not ourselves, man, and that’s killing us right now.”https://t.co/73JlHGJtBf— Sports Daily KC (@SportsDailyKC) December 4, 2017

  • berttheclock

    In addition, there is the element of trying to help out a player beside you who is not doing his job. Such as Fisher trying to help out whomever is at LOG and forgetting about his own assignment.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    meanwhile, back in the real world, life goes on…..

    .@superdj56 opened a pair of his “Discovery Dens” at two local elementary schools this morning, encouraging kids to start reading at an early age. pic.twitter.com/4XdHBrrxoO— Matt McMullen (@KCChiefs_Matt) December 4, 2017

  • the giants fired McAdoo and Reese. The Chiefs should fire Andy Reid. Veach is just getting started. I am a bit… sick at heart.

    • berttheclock

      Funny thing is McAdoo held to his guns to the very last. Early this AM on NFL Network, there was a clip of him being asked about any possible firing and he looked defiant and said that he was still going to go to work and clock in. Guess he became one of those infamous workplace “Got a minute?” casualties, eh?

    • Tazmosis

      Can’t happen. Hunt just extended Reid for long term and a boatload of cash. Better get used to him.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      Chiefs aren’t gonna fire Reid for one bad season. If you want him to go, better root for a lot of losses next year.

      • I am all for it but I know it won’t happen. However, a slide like this with the talent on this team? There is no excuse and Reid is responsible.

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  • Here’s another one: DJ and Houston are playing down not up. Which means they are not leading the defense. I would not have expected this of either player. Now, I do think that both had injuries that have lingered and affected their play. There is that. No matter what, Peters needs to be benched. If he doesn’t straighten up? Traded. Or plain released.

    Back to Reid. This streak is a “lost locker room”. Reid must go. See comment below on McAdoo at NYG.

    What is the plus side? We have a MIKE LB – Ragland. Kelce hasn’t pulled a Gronk in awhile.

    • freshmeat62

      Trade Peters while he still has value. His value goes down by the week. Don’t remember the exact words Fouts used yesterday, but something along the line he’s an elite player. Apparently there are still some out there that think he’s a top CB. I don’t. I think he’s a good CB, but not worth what he’s probably going to want as a FA next year.

      • but then? We need two outside CBs next year with little choice in the draft. Consider that. Reid needs to bench him and sit him at least 2 games, maybe 3. Let him read the tea leaves

    • freshmeat62

      I think the problem, if that is the right word, w/ Houston, is that Sutton doesn’t call for pressure defense any more, but then he doesn’t have the horses to do that either. So many times I watch Houston, and hes covering someone to the flat, or just boxing in and forcing plays back inside, which I think he does a pretty good job of. Ragland is coming on as a run stopper, but he doesn’t have that speed that DJ had and it’s really missed.

      • compared speed(Combine) 40 – 4.50, 4.62 DJ to Ragland. Ragland’s best time was .4.52 btw. I am not fitting Ragland to replace DJ as the WILL. He is a quick MIKE as the 40 times show. What he needs? More time learning to drop into coverage in the NFL. I have seen him do this successfully and commented on it from watching college film. I have seen him cover successfully with the Chiefs. It is his weakness at this time and KC needs him to be a 3 down MIKE.

        He is getting his essential Rookie season as a starter and continues to learn the position and is doing very well as should be expected of a player who was rated #1 at ILB in the draft. He is not the guy that DJ was and is not in 2017 — DJ’s reaction time, apparently due to having added weight and his Achilles tear and rehab, plus age have been a factor in his play.

        The factor affecting Houston, in my opinion, is that you don’t have the pass rush from the opposite side(Neither Hali, nor Ford) plus, you don’t have Dontari Poe pushing the double team into the pocket.

        Because the impression that Houston was dropping into coverage had caught the pundits and analysts, Seth Keyser went back and examined it and found that the impression was incorrect. In one game, Houston was out in coverage 6 times in 50 some snaps.

        Previously, you had heard multiple coaching staff members comment on Ramik WIlson doing well replacing the WILL and calling plays. This was before the season started and last year(2016).

        However, for whatever reason, his snap counts have become Nil and Pierre-Louis has emerged. I don’t myself have any analysis on this trying to figure a reason. Meanwhile, Terrance Smith is back from injury though I am not sure of this affect. I was fairly high on Smith early on, but have not seen the result.

        • freshmeat62

          I thought I remembered DJ’s 40 being in the very low 4.4s, or even 4.3’s. Yes Ragland is improving by the game and is going to be a good Sam or Mike or whatever they call their hitter. I’d like to know what Eligwe can do, but since that position calls the plays I can see why he isn’t playing.

          • DJ’s best was 4.40, the clocked time was 4.50. Ragland clocked was like 4.62, but his best was 4.52. Like that. As the MIKE? You are not the guy roaming sideline to sideline. You are busting the LoS where the hole is and Ragland is doing superb at this. Still, ..4.52 underwear speed doesn’t translate to speed in gear. I think Ragland is fine on speed and the need is to develop his coverage skills. In fact, with a tenth difference, Ragland can pursue very well, and that depends on play diagnosis whch he appears to me to be doing well at as well. DJ? His speed now, trails Ragland.

            Eligwe is the unknown. We will see. Kpass isn’t ready either but that could solve a position exposure — needs NFL Snaps to get the education. At 6-6? I think it is time to fit both to some snaps. We are not going anywhere. Even if we win the division.

          • berttheclock

            It reminds me of the Steelers great LB corps. Vince Wiliams is the thumper, while, Watt, Shazier and Dupree can fly sideline to sideline.

          • When you consider how the Chiefs entered the season? The expectation that DJ would be the same is questionable and he is not. Acquiring Ragland was a very nice move by Veach — he got a round 1 pick for little. Now, does this mean that I am not going to play DJ? Nope. But I am going to try combos and that is what is happening. What do you think about Ramik not getting snaps? Last year, they liked what he was doing when he subbed for DJ as the WILL. Something going on there internally? My impression was when Wilson was in he had what it took S-to-S and was doing a good job calling defenses. Staff indicated this. But I also thought he didn’t have that head on mean LB stuff and was not a fit for the MIKE>

        • berttheclock

          Hey David. Did you read my comment below about the 2012 draft when Pioli took Jeff Allen, OG, in the 2nd round. If so, how would like to have made that pick for him as the 3 players next in the draft were Alshon Jeffery, Mychal Kendricks and Bobby Wagner. How would you have liked to have picked up Wagner instead?

          BTW, with Duane Brown moving on to the Seahawks to play LOT for them, the Texans had to move Jeff Allen to LOT. Yesterday, on a late crucial series, Allen had 3 false starts on almost consecutive plays for Houston

          • berttheclock

            Strange thing about Kendricks though, I had wanted Dorsey to try to pry him away from the Eagles prior to the draft as word from Philly suggested Schwartz, after installing his 4-3, did not want to use Kendricks as much as he did not believe he could drop back in coverage. For whatever reason, Roseman never went through trying to trade him. The early word was Roseman wanted a 5th for him. So, Philly kept him and Schwartz has used him a great deal and, VOILA, he has become better at pass protection.

    • berttheclock

      Speaking of Gronk, did you see the vicious hit he put on Tre’Davious White, the DB who picked off Smith in the Bills’ game? Put White into the concussion protocol.

  • berttheclock

    One very much out of character gaffe by a Chiefs’ veteran player yesterday was Sorenson hitting McCown helmet to helmet. He must have been pumped up far too much. It looked like the type of play in which 345 Park Avenue will assess a large fine later in the week.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Just stopped in from outside in the garage for some leftovers. Came across this. Peters is a mess in need of real guidance.

    In five of the Chiefs’ 12 games this season, Peters has either had an outburst or done something that has led to a fine. Via @pgrathoff: https://t.co/om1sjMN2NQ— Sports Daily KC (@SportsDailyKC) December 4, 2017

  • berttheclock

    Speaking of Mara firing both Reese and McAdoo, Rotoworld says Mara wants to include discussions involving the selection of the new GM to include how he would be able to handle extending OBJ. Plus, it looks as though Eli will get his starting job back, at least, until the end of the season.

    • tm1946

      Interesting thing is the Mara family said the GM and HC were good til the end of the year…. today they said……we changed our mind, why wait… bye.

      Wonder if Clark ever admitted he changed his mind?

  • berttheclock

    Should Clark Hunt decide to eat as much of the contract with Andy Reid as possible and use a broom for a clean and much needed sweeping out of the coaching staff, I wonder who Hunt will consult with as to hiring a new HC? Last time, he went to Marty for his opinion and Marty strongly suggested Reid.

    • And Reid was good for building a team. He isn’t a good choice for winning the whole shootin’ match.

      • berttheclock

        In that question I asked of you below about the 2012 draft, how do you think Bobby Wagner would have fit?

        • berttheclock

          The reason I brought this up was I had completely forgotten how close the Chiefs had been to being able to select him. I watched that game last night between the Eagles and the Seahawks. What a force for them he has become.

        • that would be a great fit… I missed the q below. He has been steady to say the least but 2012? He came out like gang busters. Nxt to DJ? Super pair.

          • berttheclock

            Yes, Jeff Allen went to the Chiefs. Alshon Jeffries to the Bears, Mychal Kendricks to the Eagles and Wagner out of Utah State to the Seahawks. All in that 2nd round order.

          • Chiefs picked 10th.Wagner went well after the Chiefs picked several in front of Wagner at #47(just took a look)

          • berttheclock

            2nd round. Poe went in the first round. Jeff Allen went in the second round and Stephenson in the 3rd.

          • Poe, Wagner and we could have gone a different way than Stevenson. But who would know that at the time? One indicator was character(Go for the Loot, Baby — paraphrased). He never played up to getting the loot.

          • berttheclock

            Just wish the Chiefs could have kept Poe, plus, adding Logan.

          • Poe is proving his back is okay. question was that, but add in the money.

          • berttheclock

            Just think that in two consecutive rounds, the Seahawks added both Wagner and Russell Wilson. Quite a haul.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        Well, I’ll be damned, something about Reid I can agree with you about.

        • well. I may be wrong about this since the Chiefs appear to be headed for a “rebuild”. Keep him 2 more years and then fire his cheeseburger enhanced ass.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            lol, so much hate.

          • hate is tooo strong a word. I like Andy Reid. Great guy. I just don’t and didn’t want him for HC(prior read on this in many prior comments about his time in Philly).

          • tm1946

            Two more years of Reid and I am pretty sure I am done with pro football.

    • If Hunt believes in Veach, then he should put the HC under his chain of command. To do that, he must fire Reid. Simple as that. This was where I think Hunt went wrong in the first place.

    • tm1946

      Might have to consider this…. who on staff can take the HC/OC/DC if they get fired… the staff is old and pretty bad coaches. Fire Sutton and you got Reid’s son as your next DC… Fired Nagy (not sure why) and you got Childress… old guy with an attitude… Fired Reid and no one has experience except Childress…. Reid has surrounded himself with a bunch of “god, I don’t want him” guys. Maybe Toub is the exception but no HC experience.

      Hate to say it but the same thing with Peters… forget the little sob but pull him and who is going to play CB?

      Great job of acquiring talent by Dorsey and Reid.

  • berttheclock

    Laddie, as you used the Jackson bit about “Nasty Boys” correctly, I am reminded of both the two professional wrestlers who went by that moniker of Nasty Boys in the ’80s and ’90s and the North Las Vegas PD’s undercover drug unit.

    • thank heavens there was a Craps table on the strip at CC. I could play craps, watch the other end, and drink G&T. Of course, this was back in the 90s. Don’t know what would be substitute now.

      • berttheclock

        Driving through North Vegas at the time was a bit of a roll of the dice. Their patrols loved to pull cars over and say something about an illegal lane change. After they checked your proof of insurance and ran you for warrants, if you were clean, they would simply hand your license back and walk away. There was a local judge who refused to charge anyone stopped with fines as he said all the scheme was used for was to pad the city. He noted that at the same time North Vegas was doing this, the City of Henderson to the South East of Vegas got along with their budget at far lesser amount than just collecting traffic fines. North Vegas said it was a drug enforcement project.

        • berttheclock

          There used to be in the fifties a notorious scheme by a Justice of the Peace who was located just south of an intersection with Metropolitan Blvd west of 42nd street in KCK. He would have a deputy sit in a car just west of the crest of the hill and bring any speeders in ASAP for an on the spot fine. This lasted until the State noted the Justice of the Peace had made a raid on some establishment further west towards Quivera Lake and took cases of booze from the place, but, never turned anything over to Topeka.

  • there is a correction from the Chiefs on Peters walking off the field. He thought he was ejected and was escorted out. Reid had a conversation with officials, who said he had a penalty tossing the towel, but not an ejection. Reid sent a runner to the locker room to get Peters back to the field.

    It does not mean it wasn’t an immature childish reaction by Peters, garnering an unsportsmanlike penalty. But he didn’t just walk out. According to the Chiefs. It was a misunderstanding. Peters saw the Official threw his hat and thought it was an ejection. The official didn’t have a flag to throw, so obviously he did the next thing–his hat. That is what I am reading now.

    • berttheclock

      As usual, I am in the minority here as I do not want to see Sutton and Reid bench Peters. I do want to see the NFL put together a NFL Ref Academy where they can train people to become full time NFL employees and have been taught what rules the NFL decides they want to enforce. At present, you have a bunch of “Rent-a-Refs” who come together on Sundays and they bring their own personal biases from college conferences with them. I understand the reasons posters say young people should respect authority, but, I, also, find that for many in authority, they deserve very little respect of any kind.

      • benching happened to me, Freshman yr. hs. until I apologized, I wasn’t going to get on the field. I eventually, in game 6, beat out a “man”, 6’4″ 240 or so for OT — and lettered. This incident had a huge effect on me and never again, HS or college, did I do anything but Jump and stamp my feet once when we were trailing and the QB didn’t pass me the damned ball. That’s another story in my life, and had later, to do with a HS teacher and so on. I just kept my kewl and played football. THe missed pass opportunity occurred again the last game of my Sr Yr. I was wide open, 7 or 8 yards on an un-called curl from the backfield. The QB threw the ball behind me, we turned over on downs and lost the game, 0-6, J, M & J.

      • Jeff Morton

        I’m with you. And while it shouldn’t happen–i.e., players need to be more disciplined– I wanted to throw the damned flag into the stands, too. Granted, the Nelson penalty was justified, but the way Green told it on the broadcast, the penalty against Logan is a fairly recent rule change that more often than not doesn’t get called. And you’ve got the Oak game, the Pit game in the playoffs last year. I get that good teams are in a position to win anyway, but damn, why does it seem so many KC games have been decided by penalties?

  • berttheclock

    Just doing a comparison between games against the NY Giants played by both the Chiefs and the Raiders. I find the Raiders did a far better job in shutting down the running game of the Giants. The Chiefs allowed 112 yards, whereas, the Raiders held the Giants to only 65. Plus, on the other side of things, the Chiefs ran for 134 yards against the Giants and the Raiders rambled for 119. Lynch accounted for 101 yards with a burst of 51 and a TD on one run

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Bears signed K Mike Nugent and placed K Cairo Santos on IR.— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 5, 2017

  • berttheclock

    On a side note, one beneficiary if and when the mediocrity of the current Chiefs continues will be the Chiefs’ bars around the land. With the Chiefs having been the darling of the media this season, many of their games have been televised on local TVs such as Dee’s Bar in Portland, Oregon. Dennis, the great owner of Dee’s, says that this year whenever the local CBS and even FOX would have a Chiefs’ game on locally, his business dropped off.

    So, next year, all of the diehard fans of the Chiefs will have to trek back to whatever Chiefs’ bar is in their individual area.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    We're gonna get swept by Oakland aren't we 😓 pic.twitter.com/PdYzxmnmLg— Andy Reid (@FauxAndyReid) December 5, 2017

  • berttheclock

    The league has suspended Gronk for his cheap shot unnecessary hit on the prone DB, Tre’Davious White of the Bills. White had intercepted Brady and was prone on the ground when Gronk smashed his forearm into his head and body slammed him. Even Belichick has said the hit was b………….t, and has apologized to McDermott of the Bills. Gronk says he acted out of frustration. He has been suspended for one game only.

    • tm1946

      Another site is putting out….. Peters actions are ok and no big deal… now we have gone dark… anyone? Chiefs just going to do_____ to Peters? BLANK line sort of says it all, doesn’t it.

      • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

        Spirit,attitude what ever people want to call it is all good and dandy as long as it comes with discipline.
        Peters and Kelce are major talents…..but quite frankly, they are undisciplined little punks too.
        Reid “unofficially” punished Kelce by looking his direction only once in the following game after his tantrum, I’m curious to see if Peters gets the same treatment.

        • tm1946

          We will see…. if Reid cannot get some control of his players during a game… may be a bigger issue than game management/clock control/being the HC/OC.

          I am sure I am over stating it, being a fan but If Reid is the HC to just stand around and look at a play card….Clark may actually have to do something… totally out of character… for a Hunt – act like an owner

  • Jeff Morton

    Feels like being passed up for parole and an extension of the prison sentence that is being a fan of the KC Chiefs. Only the Jets (48 seasons), Lions (51) and Browns (51) have gone longer since appearing in a SB.

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