Chiefs: Houston, Mauga and Cut Updates

Screen Shot 2016-07-24 at 9.35.52 PMJustin Houston has been placed on the Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) list but has also shown up at training camp working out off to the side of the practice field. The PUP designation tells us nothing except what we already knew… that Justin would not be ready for regular season game one. However, it’s a huge relief for fans to have him there near the practice field… in person. It’s likely a bigger plus for his teammates. The Kansas City Chiefs head coach, Andy Reid, said yesterday,

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“He’s the same as he was before — we’re taking it day-to-day. When you’re around him, he gives you confidence that he’s going to be ready to go this year, but we’ll see how it all works out. I’m going to listen to the doctors, the trainers, and Justin and see how things work out.”

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Houston’s presence and association with Eric Berry have fans projecting his return sooner than later. Berry was publically buoyed by Houston in a demonstrative fashion which was repeated again and again –Houston lifting his jersey to reveal Berry’s #29 — the year Berry was overcoming Hodgkin’s Lymphoma… which was also the same year Houston racked up 22 sacks. A couple of weeks ago I published a piece about Justin Houston and remarks coach Reid had made about him that could be construed as “Justin may never see the field again.” Now, with Houston’s very presence along the sideline would suggest a quite different life path. His mere presence on the PUP would rather clearly indicate he’s not done with football.

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The scenario that has Justin Houston returning for the Chiefs game against the Raiders in Oakland on October 16th, the week following their Bye Week, seems like the most likely optimistic scenario. Since Houston can return at any point in time while on the PUP, it also appears likely we will be seeing him back at OLB for the Chiefs sometime during the 2016 season.

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On another news from ILB Josh Mauga was announced out for the year with a labral tear.

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From the Mayo Clinic staff, the definition of a labral tear is as such:

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“A hip labral tear involves the ring of cartilage, called the labrum, that follows the outside rim of the socket of your hip joint. The labrum acts like a rubber seal or gasket to help hold the ball at the top of your thighbone securely within your hip socket. Athletes who participate in such sports as ice hockey, soccer, football, golfing and ballet are at higher risk of developing a hip labral tear. Structural abnormalities of the hip also can lead to a hip labral tear.”

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labral tear

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It sounds like the recovery time for this type of injury is two-fold: 1) four to six week for the Labrum to reattach to the rim of the bone and 2) four to six weeks to regain strength. In the case of a professional athlete, it may take longer considering the hits a player can take to that region.

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None of that is good news for K.C.. Although Justin March looks like the eventual replacement for Derrick Johnson, he isn’t a “best fit” next to D.J.. That player needs to be someone more stout than the 6-foot-0 222 pound March. Is this a position that the crafty Dorsey looks to bolster as more players end up on the cutting room floor? Stay tuned.

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In other front office cut-down action, the following players are now on the street: DB Bryce Cheek, DL Niko Davis, OL Curtis Feigt, CB Malcolm Jackson, WR Seantavius Jones, LB Jonathan Massaquoi, WR Kashif Moore, C Drew Nowak, WR Mitch Mathews. FB Trey Mallard has also been waived injured but as Frank Rodela has mentioned, Mallard will likely return to the team and go through rehab.

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  • drwillez37

    So when does Kruger arrive??

    • ladner morse

      Depends on if he signs first in NO.

      • drwillez37

        I just googled him and Wikipedia said he was a new Orleans saints player then 3 mins later it said free agent

        • ladner morse

          Whoa…. am out of pocket so I can’t access my usual sources.

  • ladner morse

    Paul Kruger is Mormon so there’s another possible connection to Andy Reid. He did his 2 year mission in Kansas and Missouri so there’s another connection….. but, maybe one he’d rather forget?

    If the Chiefs can snag him… it would most likely be on a one-year deal that would satisfy both parties.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      All the connections certainly seem to point to KC, but do Dorsey and Reid want to risk a roster spot on him. If he replaces Moses, I’d be fine with that.

      • ladner morse

        Got to give somewhere on this roster… I rally like Moses… and he keeps coming back for more in KC… but the opportunity to get a catch Kruger is just to enticing.

        • Chiefly Bacon

          I feel like Moses is the OLB version of Fred Williams. Really good backup, not quite average starter, doesn’t play special teams well.

          • ladner morse

            As much as it pains me to say………………… you got that nailed!

  • Chiefly Bacon

    Chiefs don’t really have any traditional thumpers at ILB. If Chiefs sign Paul Kruger, Zombo could slide into that role.

    • ladner morse

      Yep… in fact I think the Chiefs pass rush is going to be fine for now…….. it’s the ILB thumper who I am concerned about!

      • Chiefly Bacon

        If not Zombo, I think you hope Ramik Wilson is that guy. I love March, but he doesn’t have the bulk to get off blocks from guards and big TEs.

        • ladner morse

          Agreed… Wilson has 15 pounds and 2 inches on March.

          I’m just worried March will not hold up there…. and if he get’s hurt again this early in his career it can have a devastating effect on a young player.

        • Laurels and limitations

          Wilson has caught my eye much more than March has up to this date. For all the talk of how physical March is on the field it is continually Ramik that I see having his way with opposing players moreso than March.

          • ladner morse

            Yes and it would be a huge mistake if he’s somehow cut… as some are suggesting.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Wilson cut? Some people are nuts.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            R. Wilson, absolutely!

      • Laurels and limitations

        what pass rush? Bwahahahaha!!

        • ladner morse

          Here’s your early Halloween answer………………………………………………. Chris Jones!

  • tm1946

    NFL Channel says we are shopping Murray for a draft pick.

    • ladner morse

      Yes… I heard it on 810 radio today.

    • ladner morse

      Did they say WHO might be interested?

      • Chiefly Bacon

        Dallas is said to have turned interest from Sanchez to Murray. Chiefs have a recent history of trading with Dallas.

        • ladner morse

          Not sure why in the world any team would be interested in Sanchez?

          Elway takes him off the NFL junk heap and then wants to heave him back in the dumpster…… go figure. No worries in Denver though… everything is fine?

          • Chiefly Bacon

            Their fans think, since Peyton was awful, that they can win with a bad QB. Big difference between winning with a bad veteran QB and winning with a bad rookie QB.

      • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

        Somebody is going to land a future Allstar-ish QB.
        With playing time Aaron will prove to be a winner in my opinion.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          I kinda thought that at one time, but too many dropped balls, and that is without running into anyone’s butt.

        • ladner morse

          This preseason he hasn’t helped his own cause at all… he’s looked more like Mr. butt-fumble than that “state” of being (Montana)……..

      • Laurels and limitations

        you would have thought that maybe Dorsey would have shopped him for Ackers in the trade with S.F., so this kinda tells me one of two things: Dorsey wants more than a 7th round pick for Murray, or that Murray has zero value in the NFL. All I know is S.F. needs a QB THIS year much more than they need a 7th rd. pick NEXT year.

        • Merlin

          Same could be said for Knile Davis. Either SF didn’t want him, or Dorsey want’s more than a 7th.

          • Laurels and limitations

            I wasn’t aware of the SF’s running back situation, thanks for the heads up.

      • Frank Rodela

        Whispers that #Cowboys gave shifted focus in their quest for another QB from Mark Sanchez. Also/now eyeing #Chiefs Aaron Murray.— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) August 30, 2016

      • tm1946

        Just on a crawler, sort of doubt it. Ford has better film and I am not sure we want him.

  • berttheclock

    My one concern for signing Kruger is he has been making $8.1 M for the past 3 years and had expected to continue collecting that amount this coming season, as well as the next. So, that figure is still paramount in his mind as to his worth. He has not had the time for rational thinking to set in and consider the fact he is, now, 30 and 27 when he signed the 5 year deal with the Browns. Therefore, any team making him a lesser offer and, perhaps, more realistic one is not going to be able to sway him immediately. Unless, he realizes how close it is to the start of the season and he had better find a team even if he has to take less than he expected.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      He seems like a prime candidate for a prove it deal with some light incentives. No team is gonna offer him big money after his recent performance and I think he knows that, at any rate, I’m sure his agent does. Kruger is getting to the age where he needs to take an opportunity when it presents itself, not too many teams will come knocking.

      • berttheclock

        Reasoned response and I hope Dorsey will sell that argument very well.

    • ladner morse

      810 radio today said Kruger could be had for a one-year deal… kind of a prove it contract wit the idea he could possibly get one more pay-day next offseason.

  • berttheclock

    I wonder if Mr Sutton was working with Nunez-Roches at practice to attempt to improve his “Chubby Checker Twist Turn Take Down” move.

    Nunez-Roches would have wowed Dick Clark on “Bandstand”.

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      Come on baby…….

      • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

        Can you imaging how your post looks to young guys (not like us) that have no idea that you are quoting lyrics?–lol

        • Laurels and limitations

          yes, yes I can….lol.

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  • berttheclock

    Sorry for the confusion below. I tried to put up an YouTube, but, it failed.

    • ladner morse

      Embed…… no, not “In Bed”…. but “Embed.”

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  • Laurels and limitations

    We’re going to miss Mauga in the Mike position. The situation reminds of Reid/Dorsey’s first year when they brought in Akeem Jordan to play next to DJ. I remember that I liked Jordan’s play but that he played just like DJ, that’s the same situation we have now. Mauga was a willing Mike,and better than most people like to admit when he was not asked to fill DJ’s shoes.

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      We we’re discussing this a little bit yesterday, that maybe Sutton is transitioning away from a traditional set. As someone posted recently (as a matter of fact, I think it was you), the Chiefs play less than half of their snaps in their base D. And so maybe the true mike has less value than it once did.

      • Frank Rodela

        Does not having a Mike and overloaded at Will force Sutton to employ more 4-3 looks…

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          Seattle seems to get by pretty well without a true mike. But Sutton may be looking at being in sub packages even more. I don’t see how we can still sign multiple players and still function at a high rate, let alone afford them, and so I guess we need to determine the greater need.

          • Frank Rodela

            Dorsey seems to make good deals when he has to. What I mean by that is if he has a pot-o-gold he is willie-nillie with it, handing out larger contracts to guys that are going to be/have been key players for the team. When he is down to a change purse though, he uses coupons and rebates to stretch the cap as far as possible for contributors or guys needing that prove it deal.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            If we had plenty of cap space for 2017, I could see using incentive laced deals that would push the payout down the road, but that seems to me like it would be a hard thing to do the way next years cap looks right now.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Bridgewater is out for the 2016 season after tearing his ACL, and entire knee almost, in practice today. Shaun Hill is a veteran back-up but maybe the FO would like to push him a bit. Btw, what the hell is a Joel Stave?

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      You’d like him, 6-5 230 strong arm. From Wisconsin.

  • jimfromkcj

    I know nobody agrees with me, but I think Dorsey missed a chance to improve the team when he dithered around and let Berry sign the franchise tag. He should have dropped the franchise tag and let Berry walk saving 10.8 million dollars that could have been spent on a ILB and a OLB . Now they are stuck with an over paid safety corps and nothing to stop the run. When teams look at the linebackers of the Chiefs, they will run the ball a high percentage of the time. It really doesn’t matter how potent the Chief’s offense is if they are sitting on the bench while the other team slowly goes down to score eating up big chunks of time.

    • tm1946

      Time will tell on Berry. But if Houston becomes a soap opera, we may be arguing a similar story. Dorsey, genius or not, is a first time GM. He has made mistakes and will continue to. Hopefully they will be minor ones and the good moves will out number the others. To me, these arguments are more about him than the actual player decisions. Always thought you give the guy in charge the rope to hang himself – you get a lot of rope or a hanging.

  • PaulfromnorthMO

    Well, Houston being placed on the PUP is a lot better news than if they said he was on IR.

  • PaulfromnorthMO

    Does anyone know how much, if any, Kruger has been paid by the Browns for this year? That could make a difference on his 2016 asking price.

    • ladner morse

      From RotoWorld in January: “Owed $6.5 million with a cap hit of $7.7 million next season, it is not a given Kruger will be back with the Browns, especially considering they tried to trade him at the deadline. ”

      http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/5181/paul-kruger

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        Would he have already received all that?

        • ladner morse

          No, my understanding is that players owed money are paid out per contract schedule. If it’s a pre-paid bonus they get it now. If not… then as the season progresses….

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            That’s kinda what I thought. So he may have been paid some bonuses such as work out, etc. but nothing of his base salary?

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Spotrac has him with a 1.2 mil signing bonus for 2016.

    • Frank Rodela

      I’m not sure his contract is going to be an issue, nor his expectations. If this was March and he was a fee agent i would fear being outbid but this time of year late cuts are just worried about getting a job. Not to mention there isn’t nearly as much money to go around. The players that could receive big contracts are more likey to get a prove it deal this time of year, normally at reasonable prices. And if it is about the money KC has more cap than the Aint’s by 3 mil. Should it be about another ring I doubt there are many non-Saint homers that will say they have a better chance than KC. Also keep in mind we are viewing this as a two horse race, there could always be that team that comes from no where and scoops him out from under both ours and NOLA’s noses.

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        It may be more what Kruger wants, other than Saint’s and Jets, every other team has more cap space than us and as they say, you can never have to many pass rushers.

        • Laurels and limitations

          Kruger is at the age where he is playing for two things, a title or cash.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            He signed with the Saints, so it must be cash!

          • Frank Rodela

            Unless Loomis is paying him under the table he won’t be getting paid this year in NOLA

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Maybe they revived the bounty system.

  • Frank Rodela
  • berttheclock

    Just checked the NOLA papers and all that was said was the Saints had hosted Kruger yesterday, but, there was no word as to what happened.

    • Frank Rodela

      Have the Kruger papers been signed yet, or is there some chance of him pulling an Emanuel Sanders a la 2014?

  • Merlin

    Question for everyone. If you were John Dorsey, would you dangle Nick Foles to the Vikings and Cowboys and try to fleece one of them for a high draft pick?

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      YES

    • Frank Rodela

      I said during the game this past weekend the FO should call and offer Foles to Dallas….I think they should do the same with the Vikings now

    • tm1946

      Down with it (proper modern term?). But that makes Murray the official backup…. ohhhh, my aching back.

      • Laurels and limitations

        you misspelled Bray.

    • John Davenport

      I would rather they go for a player, not just a body, to fill one of our holes, second choice would be a high draft pick.

  • the report of the injury took Mauga from the table. We now have March, Wilson, Maybe Zombo who can play inside. Others. How they solve this problem is a major concern but it was there already as Mauga was not the guy with speed or ability to drop into coverage effectively. I think Zombo is no longer a real factor in playing outside. He has the body of knowledge to help inside(just my thoughts from watching him play this pre-season). We also have the problem of Houston being out for at least 6 weeks. Let’s give it 8 weeks, halfway through the season. That is an exposure. Kruger is off the table. We have open issues to be solved. We have QBs who could fit elsewhere and Both Wilson and Bridgewater are now out. Denver is going with a newcomer(2nd yr), Garcia is out. The Texans and others have problems, and there are teams that need a RB. Expect some news? I hope so. And yes, I think Ford was okay against a weaker team. We don’t have to have Houston to win but something out of who is there is necessary and unfortunately Dorsey came to this realization, else why pursue Kruger? There is trouble at Arrowhead One we did not anticipate in it’s seriousness, especially with Mauga out.

  • Stan Colbert

    Everybody talks about the depth of the Chiefs and deservedly so. The linebacker position is loaded with depth, however, this season hinges very much on the aging DJ, Tamba, and injured Houston. There is a very significant dropout in talent level should one of these not be able to play for some reason.

    • ladner morse

      Couldn’t agree more but what is dieconserting is that only DJ is a known at this point. I know they need to keep other teams in the dark as much as possible so they don;t know who to prep for but when a player is out for nearly a year then I don’t see why they can’t give us better regular updates on their progress. And… to your point… if Houston and Hali are not going to be part of the defensive pressure package this season you would think it’s going to have a significant impact on the outcome of games.