Chiefs: It’s Beyond Me

 

 

 

Instead of a Friday morning, the day after Thanksgiving, Open Thread, I thought it might be a good chance to check in on what others are thinking, saying, and doing… in “It’s Beyond Me.”

 

 

 

For me, I was pulling for the Chargers to rip Dallas a new one… and they did. I’d love to see both the Chiefs and the Chargers make the playoffs coming out of the AFC West this year.

 

 

Casserly likes to get a little carried away. After all, the Chargers don’t even have a winning record yet. Also, consider:.

 

 

 

As B.J. Kissel has pointed out the obvious, the Chiefs still have a two-game lead on the rest of the teams in the AFC West (technically, the Chargers are only a game and a half behind at the present moment, based upon their win on Thanksgiving Day over the Cowboys):

 

 

 

 

If “The Fix” that the Chiefs were going for all along was to eventually sign CB Darrelle Revis, perhaps they could have addressed the lack of a pass rush first. On the other hand, the BPA at this point in time was likely… Revis and his shrinking Island:

 

 

From a piece by Terez Paylor called, “Darrelle Revis’ first day as a Chief includes a playful welcome” he shares,

 

 

“Darrelle Revis’ first day as a Chief included at least one playful moment. To hear safety Ron Parker tell it, when the players went through their defensive meetings Thursday morning, Revis was sitting when one of his teammates yelled “We got a new guy in the room!” Everybody was waiting for him to stand up, and he was like ‘Okay, y’all know who I am,’ ” Parker said with a laugh. “Everybody was like ‘Naw, get up and say who you are.’ So Revis went ahead and did that, getting the seven-time Pro Bowler’s tenure with the Chiefs off to a nice start after signing late Wednesday afternoon. He just loosened up and was himself, ready to get to work and figure this thing out,” Parker said. “It was funny; you can tell the chemistry and everything is going to be there. It’s all about having fun, and adding another guy like that to the group, I think it’s going to be fun.”

 

Pure Island Stats

  • 140 Career Games
  • 29 INTs 138 PD
  • 4 FF
  • 12 FR
  • 401 Tackles
  • 3 Touchdowns
  • 7x Pro Bowler
  • 4x All-Pro

 

 

 

 

Just to give you some perspective on what my family is like… we went around the table, during our Thanksgiving dinner, and said… what we each were NOT thankful for. Interesting discussion… that’s all I can tell you without being exiled from the family.

 

 

Time For A Mid-season Checkup

It’s time for my Mid-season Checkup where I cough and turn my head to the side. The week before this season started, all the writers here at ArrowheadOne decided to make predictions about this season’s final record for the Chiefs. I went back and checked — because I really didn’t recall — and I predicted the Chiefs would finish 11-5 for the year. At this point, I hope I’m wrong and that the team finishes the season on a 6-game winning streak.

 

Aside from being able to be around my family… and keep closer tabs on the K.C. Chiefs… one of my favorite reasons for being back home here in Kansas City, is watching the Plaza Lights. Here is a little vid of the lighting in case you missed it:

 

 

 

Marcus Peters handed out Turkeys on Thanksgiving but… remember that time when he stole a drumstick from Philip Rivers?

 

 

 

Parker Ehinger and Anthony Sherman sum up my feeling perfectly about how I feel this time of year:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Go Chiefs!

 

 

 

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  • berttheclock

    Just love those who harp on how many days, years, eons or such that a team has not beaten the Chiefs. Or, those who truly believe the non-sense about strength or lack thereof of schedule having any legitimate reason.

    When, the Chiefs won their only Super Bowl, they had been beaten by the Raiders twice during the season. Yet, they prevailed in post season play. When, KU and Danny Manning won the NCAA title by beating Oklahoma, they had lost two games to Oklahoma during the regular season and had been beaten by OU in the conference post season tournament.

    The 1988 Niners won the Super Bowl after only being a six and five team at the end of week 11. The 2010 Packers were a sixth seed, yet, they won the SB. The 2007 Giants were a wild card 5th seed and won the SB. The Packers which won the 2nd Super Bowl, only limped in the playoffs with a 9-4-1 record The 2011 NY Giants were only 9-7 and had lost their last game of the regular season to the Pats. They ended up beating the Pats in the SB. BTW, enroute to that win, they knocked off the 13-3 Niners largely due to a muffed punt in the playoffs.

    I fear the rise of the Chargers because they have a receiving corps which can devastate the Chiefs secondary, even if the former island of note plays. Plus, they have a tough front seven who can get to the QB. The Spanos family may be made up of mostly dullards, but, Telesco, their GM is outstanding. He personally scouted Keenan Allen at Cal and made sure he would draft him. Allen went bonkers in the Dallas secondary.

    • ladner morse

      Excellent points all… and I’m wondering what your take is about Rivers, is he HoF material or, not?

      • berttheclock

        Many voters for the Hall take winning the SB into consideration. So, another question might be about the Manning brothers. One has more glory, whereas, the younger one has two SB rings.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      And don’t forget the 2011 Giants, while winning the NFC East, only did so with a 9-7 record. They went on to beat all the “good” teams to take home the Lombardi Trophy. That playoff run was, IMO, far and away Eli’s best games of his career. That shows what any team can do if they get on a hot streak at the right time.
      I said early in the season, when everyone was talking about the Raiders and Broncos defenses, that San Diego had the best D in the division. The Chargers just seem to shoot themselves in the foot too often.
      During Sunday’s game against the Bills, the Chargers, winning 34-7, had the ball in the redzone with time running out in the first half, and Rivers still threw 2 passes into the end zone to receivers that were covered fairly well. The second pass was nearly intercepted. I hope our next QB will be willing to take some chances like that.

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        After re-reading Bert’s comment, he did mention them, I’m still asleep this morn.

        • berttheclock

          In addiition, the defense of that team kept getting better in the run for the Lombardi. The opposing rating of QBs against them on that run kept dropping as Eli’s numbers kept rising. There was a fellow who came with a formula following that which showed you watch for a QB’s rating risings as his opponents keep dropping off for that last month.

  • berttheclock

    One other point about those who do harp on such as strength of schedule or lack thereof by the other team or go on and on and on and on about how long it has been since a certain team beat the Chiefs. I am reminded of walking past a group of Beyer ratings clockers at Santa Anita whining about their favorite odds on mare being beaten and collectively moaning about the winning mare, “But, she didn’t have the numbers”. Often, you really must look past those numbers. Just going by numbers leads to simplistic thinking and reasoning. Thinking outside of the box helps a great deal, but, always, remember to really look inside of that box, as well.

    • berttheclock

      BTW, that winning mare which paid out odds of six and one half to one, had been trained by a hands on trainer who only ran a few prime horses. He had won both the Kentucky Derby and the Kentucky Oaks. But, that great day, he had beaten a current hot shot trainer who ran a much larger stable and who was adored by the numbers obsessed Beyer Boys.

  • berttheclock

    Laddie, thanks for sharing that lighting display at the Plaza. If there is one thing I miss about living back there, it would be going to the Plaza every Christmas season and shopping at Hall’s.

    • ladner morse

      I don’t actually shop on the Plaza… to expensive for this ex-teacher’s pocketbook. But I’ve always loved people-watching there. I don’t know if you had ever been to Annie Santa Fe there but my sister worked there 30 years ago and I was so impressed with a ” wall of small mirrors” they had there that in honor of my sister, who has now been in nursing care for the past 21 years with M.S., that I have created my own wall of small mirrors at home.

      Also, a year before the Plaza began their carriage-ride service, my sister and her husband pitched that same idea to JC Nichols and company, who, at that time, rejected the idea.

      • berttheclock

        We did a great deal of only oohing and ahhing. However, the first Christmas back from West Germany and the US Army, my ex and I bought a great string of lantern type lights for the tree. Very beautiful. With the divorce, she ended up with them. Sadly, the Italian manufacturer went out of business and I have never found anything even close to them.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Zimmer has a very valid reason for being upset about the officiating yesterday. I’m no tinfoil hat wearing person myself but I do call a rock a rock and a cat a cat. I watched very similar plays yesterday get called in two very dissimilar fashions by the very same crew. The outcome of those calls resulted in a close-knit game instead of a potential blowout. I wish this was an isolated event but it is becoming more common than rare this season.

    Link to Zimmer’s press conference: https://clutchpoints.com/vikings-news-mike-zimmer-bites-tongue-ref-mistakes/

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      But you know what, if the NFL doesn’t want people talking about that stuff, maybe they should fix it.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        I agree, the NFL SHOULD fix it. My problem is that in spite of the very real indication that officiating in the NFL needs fixing, the league looks to be directing games instead.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          Man, I hope not. While I’ll agree that viewership wanes during a blowout, trying to “influence’ a games outcome would be turning the NFL into the WWE. I guess the WWE remains extremely popular, for the life of me I can’t figure out why.
          After all, the NFL consist of 32 owners, and they have created parity, for the most part, with the salary cap. With one or two exceptions, I can’t think the owners would believe they could control the outcome of a game by influencing the officiating. That’s the one area of the game I would think they want equality.

          • berttheclock

            For quite awhile, I have advocated for a school for new refs run by the NFL. The students should be taught only NFL rules. One of the biggest problems for the past few years is too many NFL refs come from various college conferences. It is hard for them to break old habits picked up by the powers to be at the various conferences. In fact, there are at least two current refs who have headed conferences, such as the Big 12 and the Pac 12. Others come from the SEC and/or Big East. In addition, I have wanted to see all refs only work for the NFL and be paid for full time work. The league has begun to hire some new refs, but, I still think an NFL Academy for Refs should be put into place.

            However, in all of this, there will be human error and the factor of “make up calls” will exist. Many bad calls tend to come from making up for something missed earlier.

          • berttheclock

            However, one view which I do not believe should be allowed is the one used by “Muscles” Hocholi, who uses the old NBA rule of any player has to earn his respect in order for him to rule equally. This was an unwritten rule that rookies did not receive the same shadings as did more senior and established players. Some of the current NFL refs, also, work college basketball games, such as Steratore. They tend to bring some of their own biases from those games with them.

          • berttheclock

            I believe Hocholi pulled that stunt on Kelce when he was a rookie.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I agree, the NFL is big enough it can support full time refs. Instant replay could also be used to sort out calls that have differing opinions on the field, especially the phantom PI calls.

          • berttheclock

            BTW, Tony Corrente worked the Vikings’ game yesterday. He, also, worked the Pats-Raiders game in Mexico City where there were two strange flags thrown. He worked the Chiefs game with the Broncos earlier this year as well as game last year against the Broncos on Christmas. Corrente is a retired teacher who used to head the Pac 12 refs. He had to resign after so many ADs in the league complained about the overall officiating by his crews.

            This coming game will feature Bill Vinovich, who is known for calling fewer penalties than other crews.

          • berttheclock

            BTW, be very aware of any retired teacher, eh?

          • HOMER!! Dave

            I would think the owners would want parity also. Here’s my “but” though on this matter. If any of these tight niche owners are having trouble with their brand I would imagine the rest of the owners would want to protect them if for no other reason than to not devalue their OWN brand.

            Ratings are dropping for a multitude of reasons and even though there are a large number of things that can be done to correct that, having tight, competitive games is high on the to-do list to turn that around.

            But, hypothetical Team A is clearly the better of hypothetical Team B this Thursday night due to hypothetical Team B’s inability to queue up to par. The League doesn’t need any more ratings drops, so they nudge the game into a close knit affair when possible. That can’t happen all the time, no way the league can script that much individual effort and decision making every week. But I’m seriously thinking that off. crews are being to trained to look for opportunities.

            Now, where’s my tin-foil hat?

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            But that comes awful close to “fixing” games. I don’t know anything about the betting/gambling world, but I wouldn’t think they would be very happy with that.

        • Stan Colbert

          Watching the Oakland game, you got the distinct impression someone didn’t want the Chiefs to get so far up to basically seal the division in October.

      • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

        I generally stay far away from conspiracy theories of any kind…..but I have to admit, when Oakland beat us earlier in the season the way they did…….the way they just kept getting chance after chance……..stuff like that makes me doubt a little.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          That’s where a coaching philosophy of pounding the other team in the ground would really benefit us. The heck with a tight scoring game. Score fast and score often, i.e. leave no doubt.

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      Nice theory on the NFL wanting to keep the game close to keep viewers interested……. 😀

    • drwillez37

      Raiders game!!!

  • PaulFromNorthMo

    The signing of Revis, at least gives the appearance of taking the pressure off of finding starting CB help for next year. Berry should be back to shore up the safety position, plus we have a slew of young players under contract for next year.
    I don’t know if DJ will finish out his contract, but with Veach bringing in Ragland, possibly extending P-Lewis and R Wilson (but in the back of my mind, I think Ramik has played his last as a Chief), and Eligwe in the wings, ILB isn’t a huge need.
    On the offensive line, we have our starting 4, not sure about LG, but with Ehinger, Witzmann and Erving, I think the FO is not overly concerned with this position group.
    Ware should be back next year and along with Ware, we have West, Hunt and Hunt under contract for 2018, so the only question would be FB.
    Our WR’s for 2018 include Conley, Hill, Robinson and Chesson, plus we have a couple practice squad guys that might be retained. We’ll have to wait and see what the FO decides about Wilson and DAT.
    All three of our current TE’s are on the books for ’18, but I’m hoping we put real effort into upgrading behind Kelce.
    Regardless of everyones point of view, the starting QB is locked up for next year, one way or the other. But a little work remains to be done for the back up spot(s). Do we keep Bray (I can’t imagine why we would at this point) or do we draft a lower rounder for Reid’s must have 3rd QB.
    Back to the defense, if I’m not mistaken, Bailey and Jones are the only two defensive linemen under contract for 2018. Veach has some work to do here. I would imagine we bring Logan back and maybe Nacho. But we will still need more help on the line.
    With the signing of Butker, our PK is in the best condition it has been for ages. Colquitt’s contract ends at the end of this season and that makes punter a top priority (maybe not top, but we have to have one).
    That leaves OLB, which I believe is THE top priority for next season. We just have to be able to mount some kind of a pass rush beside’s Houston. As much as I hate to say it, Hali is wasting a roster spot and cap space. Ford is a bust and I hope we don’t honor his 5th year option, 8.7 mil is way too much for what he gives us. We have Zombo for next season, but he is what he is. The big question marks are Kpassagnon and Dadi, but even if one of them takes the league by storm next year. we will still need help at OLB and without a 1st round draft pick, we’ll probably need to look at who’s available in FA.

  • tm1946

    Good to be home from Thanksgiving over eating…. diet starts now. Good to see the Chiefs trying to fix CB with Revis….re-enforcements arriving?. Now an edge rusher so Hali and Ford can sit with those big contracts. Pressure coming from the rest of the AFC West (what else is new?).

    Yeah, good to be back to normal.

  • tm1946

    Ford and T. Smith not practicing…probably means no to Sunday. Anyone have a clue what is wrong with Ford’s back? Hali and Wilson are back at least in a limited basis.

  • ladner morse

    I don’t know if anyone else is watching Missouri take on Arkansas but… Drew Lock has a rifle arm. In fact, some of this rope-type throws reminds me of Dan Marino.

    • ladner morse

      Also, Mizzou WRs are impressive. Yes, they’ve had some dropped balls but much of that is due to the Lock’s bullet-hot passes going right through their hands.

      After being down 21-7 after the first quarter they have come back to lead 31-28 at the half. Excellent.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Yeah, Lock may have the best arm of them all, it seems to be the mental aspect that holds him back. Most of the experts think returning to Mizzou would be in his best interest but I have read where he is at least going to explore his options.

      • ladner morse

        He probably needs to stay in but he’s grown a lot this year. A QB who is able to progress is going to be okay given his ability level. He needs to learn when to put more air under the ball as he like to make every pass a laser.