Chiefs Magic in Denver

40-percent-wide-60-percent-long-spacerChiefs Magic in Denver

 

It was a game for the ages. Fans will be talking about this one, decades from now, and people will say, “I saw that game.” As much as this game was nerve-rattling from the scoreless defensive war of the first quarter to the Chiefs second overtime Field Goal that hit one upright and barely missed the other… this game was magic. The last FG was the equivalent of a 7-10 split on the last shot of a tournament and making it.

 

Painful Bliss

This game was like straddling a cactus and fortunately, the Chiefs forced the Broncos to sit down hard because losing this game had to be hard to take. For now, it clears up the AFC West standings with Oakland sitting on top at 9-2, K.C. in second place at 8-3, Denver picking the cactus from their rears at 7-4 and San Diego, who won on Sunday holding down last place, but moving up fast, at 5-6.

 

Magic. That’s what it was. Here’s just one incredible statistic from the magic night in Denver:

 

 

 

Tee For Two… Err… Three

Just as little boys are made of snips and snails and puppy dog tail, hyperbole and misinformation are the substances NFL TV announcers are constructed of. If I had to listen to Chris Collinsworth talk about Von Miller for one more minute last night I was going to have to commit hari-kari with kicking-tee. As it turns out, the kicking-tee was one of the weapons that won this game. Normally I am grunting and groaning at the TV because the Chiefs are kicking field goals instead of scoring touchdowns. Last night, Andy Reid did the unthinkable by taking points off the board when the Broncos were called for a penalty on a successful FG try by Cairo Santos. Without that TD, the Chiefs go down in flames in Denver. Consequently, Santos is teeing it up to kickoff with 7 on the board instead of 3.

 

Swaying Goal Posts and Swaying Seasons

The football Gods looked down on the Chiefs last night and smiled. Not just because the Chiefs won the game, but how they won the game. Sure, there were so many situations that could have swayed the game one way or the other but when I went back and watched the last field goal by Santos… I noticed something I had to look at again and again to make sure I was seeing right. It was the goal post that Cairo Santos hit. If you keep your eyes on the goal post, you’ll notice it swaying this way and that way, back and forth. However, what is truly amazing is… that as the Santos kick is approaching the goal post, it begins to sway in the direction that allows the ball to hit it and ricochets into the end zone, good! Without that swaying at the exact right moment… the Chiefs lose that game… and perhaps their season.

 

That’s why I say magic. The games earlier this season should have been a clue that the Chiefs could and would win this game. However, I’ve been a Chiefs fan long enough to look past a few “lucky” wins and think, “Here we go again.” But there was no, “Here we go again” this time. Only the strong survive? No, only those with perseverance survive. Now, that’s exactly what these Chiefs have… PERSERVERENCE.

 

Call it what you will, Sunday Night Football in Denver was magic and I’ll never forget it. That game will be forever etched into my football soul.

 

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  • freshmeat62

    Now the donkey fans know how we felt last year when Charles fumbled that ball at the end of the game, and Denver scored. Tee hee hee. Payback sucks doesn’t it, you donkey heads?

    • Merlin

      Well said. I was thinking of the game the Chiefs improbably lost to Denver last year. This evens the score.

    • sidibeke

      Would particularly like to rub that into Sanders. I can’t believe he didn’t get called for taunting once last night.

  • ladner morse

    I will never grow tired of watching this……..
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    When you have speed like this, you can high-five a teammate on the way into the end zone. https://t.co/CItHluupM9— Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) November 28, 2016

    • freshmeat62

      When they slapped hands, I was scared to death the official would throw a flag for excessive celebration.

    • freshmeat62

      “That’s what speed do!”

      • berttheclock

        I’ve seen any number of guys who were very fast on the football field, but, not all of them were complete football players. Hill is a complete football player who just happens to be extremely fast.

        • freshmeat62

          And he’s smart for a rookie. There has been several instances this year that I thought he did smart things that a rookie usually doesn’t do. Last nite for instances 2 that come to mind, was where a kick was still bouncing around inbounds, and instead of trying to grab the ball and run in a very congested area, I might add, he streaked along the sideline and knocked the ball out of bounds. Also another time he caught a pass, and instead of wasting precious seconds fighting for a couple more yards, went down, so could run the next play.

          • sidibeke

            Kids has smarts, natural football instincts. Good understanding of the game.

        • mnelson52

          I agree with you. I also see why Dorsey went through such a very detailed vetting process to get this guy. I never thought he would even be close to this type of player. I thought they were just picking up a good return man, but they got so much more.

    • sidibeke

      That we had two guys on the field that can be that far ahead. I don’t know if DAT will have a role moving forward, but he’s had some great gunner play on ST from what I’ve seen.

    • mnelson52

      DAT was the only guy on the team fast enough to be down there with Hill for the high five.

      • Merlin

        and Tyreek slowed down a bit for DAT

        • berttheclock

          Interesting that I checked out the various track events both Hill and DAT took part in in both high school and college. DAT was on some very fast relay teams with Oregon, but, Hill went to Barcelona for a world class event and his 4 teen age team came close to a record which has stood for several years. I used to know who the other three were on that relay team and where they ended up going to college. I believe one of the them went on to Texas and one may have ended up with Oregon.

  • ladner morse

    Keep your eyes on the goal post as it sways back and forth……. and before the ball hits it it turns wide so the ball will hit it and bounce in.
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    Watch Chiefs Kicker Cairo Santos off the upright…. and In! Chiefs defeat the Broncos in OT 30-27. #KCvsDEN https://t.co/g5cSX8ZndF— Dylan (@DylansFreshTake) November 28, 2016

    • Merlin

      I thought the goalpost moved in reaction to the ball hitting it.

      • sidibeke

        What I was wondering about was that it looked like he hit it so hard, it rattled the whole goal post. It looked like the post had started to recoil and sway forward helping the ball go behind the other upright. Too high? Who cares, too high. It’s gone. 🙂

    • 1CrazyChief

      I think I’ve watched this 100 times, every time trying to pick out a different fan face (including the mascot standing at the goal post) reaction – priceless.

  • drwillez37

    My heart has been skipping beats all morning…I can’t take much more!!!! But I love it

    • sidibeke

      I didn’t sleep much last night at all. Too much residual adrenalin. Whew.

  • berttheclock

    Jason Seibel is going to have a ton of fun this week with his “Anatomy of a touchdown” series

    • Merlin

      My prediction, it’s going to be a Tyreek Hill one. 😉

    • freshmeat62

      Heck do all 3 of them. Each one had something unique about it…punt retrun after safety, hand off from Ware, and rolling into endzone before getting possession.

  • sidibeke

    One thing I thought at the time was the KC had time to have AS take a snap and move the ball more to the middle of the field before the field. goal before calling the last timeout. I thought they would. I’m glad not doing so didn’t come back to haunt us.

    • so I believe the thought is, it’s in range, not a difficult kick and we don’t risk a fumble of the ball. We kick now to win.

      • sidibeke

        They’ve done it before, had Smith basically take a knee, just scoot over a few feet before he does. I suppose there’s always the risk of a mishandled snap. Anyway, that was just my thought as the clock was ticking down and AR was waiting to use the last timeout.

  • sidibeke

    I don’t know what the O/U was, but my guess is it ended up on the over. Would not have guessed that would have happened at half.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Glad to see my boy DJ Alexander getting in the backfield, I still think he has the “it”, to get to get it done.

    • berttheclock

      Yeah, he had quite a burst, eh? May have been celebrating Oregon State smashing Nike on Saturday. Had to laugh when I read in the Oregonian yesterday that some of the Nike commits were rethinking.

      • Laurels and limitations

        He’s fast from sideline to sideline, but he’s green still. Special teams ace however.

        • berttheclock

          Sutton still held Dadi back.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Dadi is getting buried by depth, and being young. Next year will be the tell-tale for him.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Marcus Peters giving the spot of the ball the ol’ calibrated eye test, that was funny.

  • Laurels and limitations

    I fell asleep during the game last night, watched it this a.m. before work, watching it again now afterwards. I still get made when I see Semien throw that TD.

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      Which one?

      • Laurels and limitations

        the first one, KC had the cast-on-hand-wearing DJ White on the guy. It’s hard to play with a cast on in any case, move that play to the endzone where mistakes are often monumental and it’s even crazier.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          Ah, I thought maybe you were talking about the last one.

          • Laurels and limitations

            nope, Gaines totally whiffed on that one, but it looks like he just saw the ball. I still have faith in PG23, he gave up some big plays, but he also made a lot of big plays. Gaines will bounce back, I have zero doubts.

          • berttheclock

            When Nelson comes back, Sutton may move Gaines to nickle.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            One of the big completions against Gaines, Sanders was in the slot. Gaines just doesn’t have the experience to hang with a Sanders quality WR every time.

          • berttheclock

            Meanwhile in Tennessee, they have cut a corner back who gave up a TD to the Bears, yesterday. Brought up a PS CB.

          • Laurels and limitations

            and Gaines was supposed to have help, Berry left him though.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            We definitely need a good free ranging FS.

          • Laurels and limitations

            If Sutton insists on playing single high, yes we do.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            The safety “help” has been late or out of position on almost every deep ball against us this year. Ryan and Jones will test us next week.

          • Laurels and limitations

            I’m not sure if we ever actually see it, not like you do in other defenses. Sorenson was the last Safety to come over across the top and break up a pass play while helping a CB.

          • berttheclock

            Often I believe Sutton got to used to Revis being an island and forgets the need to bring over the safety for help.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            But is that by design, or less than stellar FS play?

          • Laurels and limitations

            I dunno, I just know I like the way Sorenson hits.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Me too, but he is also a SS. Gaines does his best when the play is in front of him and he tracks the ball well, just doesn’t catch it. With his speed, he might make a good center fielder.

          • berttheclock

            Watch out for their new wide out star, Taylor Gabriel, who was a walkon last year. He played wide out to Charcandrick West’s RB at Abilene Christian back in 2013 and before. He is only five eight, but, has become Ryan’s first choice.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Yes, but sometimes those type look real good until there is tape on them, once the new wears off a little they come back to earth.

          • If you look at any team that gets a WR open like that, it’s because the single high type formation and the safety isn’t there deep. In the case of Who ever is opposite Peters, it appears that that should be where the safety should be leaning to start with. Every team has guys get burned. That was glaring but not all “just Gaines”.

          • berttheclock

            That happened recently on a long TD pass where Peters thought he had Parker back to help and Parker was not anywhere close.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Well, IMO, Parker and Berry are both more SS types.

          • Berry or Parker? Whatever … the single High wasn’t back there to give the over the top assist. Period. That’s Sutton’s call or the Safety guessed wrong, made the wrong decision. I can’t fault all of it on any single coverage for a fast WR, who made the right move, play called or not, to get behind Gaines who had turned to look for the ball, but slowed his step and looked over the wrong shoulder…

          • Laurels and limitations

            Say whaaaaat!? What other purpose does a Safety have in playing the high side than to ensure that no one enters the end zone? Gaines should not have banked on having help, but when you see the Bronco’s shiftiest/fastest WR in the slot the safety should certainly think about it.

          • I have no problem either way but I think you tinge to the outside view myself. If Peters is shutting down one side the safety is going to have to make a decision. He did and he wasn’t back and could not react to the completed pass. It was over. Happens in football. Too, the iconic smile on the face of Siemien told you it was their call and it was the right one. Gaines hurt himself, true, but he was trying to find the ball. That was when the Wr got behind him. TD. What I said was, it was Sutton’s call. Meaning he went single high, if Berry was hinged in side, it was then a great call for the play by the Broncos.

          • Laurels and limitations

            and there is my thing, Peters WAS shutting down his side and Sutton had to understand that both Acker and Gaines were having less than favorable nights. Sutton has a history of leaving his guys on a sinking island to either swim or drowned, but I keep hoping that he will learn. Crazy thought though, maybe Sutton was cheating to Peters side in order to keep him from giving up the big play(s), again. Just a thought.
            Oh, and I always think to the outside, the mainstream is boring.

          • At this point, I would think you give Peters the nod and cheat for the other corners. It just makes sense to me. Sorensen almost had the jump on a ball late in the game btw… That has value and as hitter, he fits the Chiefs persona perfectly. Sorensen has the football moxie to go along with it(family is a football family).

          • mnelson52

            Sanders does that to a lot of experienced corners also. Sometimes the other team just makes a play. Not making excuses, he was burned.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            No doubt he was burned, more than once, but he did make some really good plays as well.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Yep, several are calling for Gaines head this morning, but he broke up 3 passes (I think), one in the end zone and had good coverage on others. He just had two bad plays and one horrid one.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Factual, I know that I have seen at least two plays, one in the endzone, another for a first down that were huge. The people calling for Gaines head today would be burning down the town if Gaines had not made those other plays ‘cuz KC would not have won yesterday. I guess that if Gaines had not given up those two TDs the other plays might not have been so big, but it’s a wash to me. If people want to decapitate someone so bad, why don’t they go after Kelce and his drops, Schwartz with his inability to block Miller, or even Smith with his three yard passes?

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Agreed, especially the first two, I think AS11’s first five passes were dropped. At least three of them should have been easy completions.

          • the thing is, Kelce had 3 drops. But he also had 8 catches. Last week or two it’s been all “bad” on Harris. harris comes up big with a TD catch with decent coverage and hands trying to knock it out. This is NFL football and guys make plays and they have good players trying to prevent them making plays. You have a DC making a call on what the tendency is, and you have players who play to their strengths but all have weaknesses too. One thing about Gaines has been when on the outside, he isn’t finding the ball… He was doing a better job this game and got burned bad when he did an awkward look back for the ball over his left shoulder. It went fubar from there. Now Schwartz is not the only Tackle in the NFL who has trouble with Von Miller who is having another great season. When the Chiefs went up tempo it gave them an advantage over the defense and difficult for Kubiac to do any subs…

          • Laurels and limitations

            I like your last sentence, “no subs”, Miller was getting gassed out there, just like a couple of their Corners. Reid finally going quick-sets and not allowing the defense to sub was the tipping point in the game, imho.

          • the thing is, Reid doesn’t seem to go to school and has difficulty adjusting until it is almost too late. I don’t want the hurryup all the time. Mix and match it but run it all 4 quarters. Semi huddle and go to the LoS… Keep the play-calling to the strength of the players and we have the playmakers on this roster. If anything that I can see lacking it’s ILBs and DBs on defense. Apparently Dorsey brung some guys for depth that can get it done on the front 3 and I had Chris Jones in most of my Mocks so I had one success anyway with playing at it. Oh. last thought on the OLBs then: Lets say Dadi gets a lot more time in 2017. We then have 4 guys and giving the front two the breather(Get Hali to come back for another season as the 3rd or 4th OLB). Frank Zombo has lost a step. I like him, don’t get me wrong. He is versatile and can play inside. But then it becomes a more concentrated mix of things for the future which I think the focus must be inside. Of course Mauga going out hurt but we need to draft a young guy with that frame and ability to stuff the run and contest the lineman getting into the second level. DJ Alexander is quick and Ramik has proven my original view of him and I think he is getting better game to game. But DJ is going to retire. Not next year proly but after that. We need to work this out now, so this is why I was so focused on this last draft to get another ILB, you know, the quasi-Dick B. who can still cover a bit… 🙂

          • Laurels and limitations

            I’m always for going after game changing ILBs.

          • Laurels and limitations

            I was trying to remember if Harris had actually been targeted the last three weeks…I still cannot remember.

          • Actually, he must have been… drops the two games prior to last week. This week he comes up big but now I can’t recall either. I just like KC’s ability to get real heavy with 2 TE sets or even adding Sherman to the mix. I just wish Reid would then run play action sometimes mixed in… With JMac back, Conley and Hill we have 3 WRs who can do all sorts of mixes off of that. With Kelce and Harris, we can get heavy and we can run with three TEs as well. KC has the player mix for all sorts of packages without have to resort to the damned screens that Reid is wont to use and which never buy “nothin'” no more. 🙂

  • Laurels and limitations

    Hmmm, Reid finally started using the crossing patterns, and they worked…craziness.

    • berttheclock

      Do you have the same opinion as several others that Reid needs to bring more of a sense of urgency to the 1st quarter or even first half? I understand the coaching method of running a certain number of plays to see how the defense will react, but, these types of only turn it on out of a fear the game is getting away from you drives many of us nutzo.

      • Laurels and limitations

        I’ve thought for a while that Reid only utilizes a hurry up offense when he absolutely has to, and not even then sometimes. With KC’s playmakers that they have on the offense it seems absolutely nuts that Reid would keep on allowing defenses to adjust personnel early on in games when KC benefits sooo greatly from them NOT being able to substitute later on in games.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Bubble screen to Hill on the right, 3-on-3 and Smith STILL throws that direction. I hate screen passes more and more each week if that is even possible.

    • berttheclock

      Yeah, plus, did you see who led that 3 front? It was Albert Wilson who ended up bringing Harris, Jr up the LOS and Harris was part of the destroyer unit.

      • Laurels and limitations

        on that same screen play? I missed the blockers, just know that the two guys got wasted. I did just watch Wilson spring Hill to the outside by laying out Talib on Hill’s TD run.

        • berttheclock

          That was the block of the game. Then, on the 2 point conversion, why not go back to “Stonehands”, eh? Can you believe Harris actually caught the ball?

          But, yes, on that troika bubble screen, Wilson was the lead man on the LOS. Harris Jr stood just across from him.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Lol, they went to Stonehands because absolutely nobody thought Smith would throw to him, let alone that Harris would catch it. I know if I was the QB,
            I’d be like “Naw, not Stonehands, he’s broke my heart tooo many times, I’m keeping it damnit!!”.

          • berttheclock

            Even Collinsworth said Harris had not caught a pass in the past 3 weeks. He failed to state the reason why.

          • Laurels and limitations

            not caught one in three weeks, or been targeted in three weeks?

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          Watching Talib fly was funny, on that screen play, iirc the 2 blockers were Harris and Wilson.

          • Laurels and limitations

            I believe you are correct, sir.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Was it Robinson that laid out the return guy? Oh crap no, it was DAT!!!! Laid him the hell out too.

    • berttheclock

      DAT looked great as a gunner last night.

      • Laurels and limitations

        I agree, he is always near the action.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Miller is single-handedly disrupting KC’s backfield.

    • berttheclock

      Can you believe how low he can get, yet, be able to run at top speed?

      • Laurels and limitations

        Yup, he’s got the bend down…too bad he’s such a douche bag.

      • berttheclock

        BTW, have you seen Hali’s bull rush yet? Also, It looked to me that Houston started to wear down a bit in the 2nd half and Stephenson was not really the reason, he did not have the same speed as he had in the first half. The refs missed several grabs by Stephenson on him.

        • Laurels and limitations

          there was more than a few holds by the Denver offense on KC’s pass rush…but that is normal sauce.

        • 1CrazyChief

          Might have partly been a conditioning issue with Houston. Never heard any of the obligatory ‘it’s mile high air’ talk from anyone – proud that the Chiefs hung in there for an entire extra quarter without showing signs that they were any more tired than Denver was…

          • Laurels and limitations

            plus, Houston is still getting his legs.

          • berttheclock

            At one point in the first half Houston had to be taken into the locker room. He was back before half time with no explanation.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            They were looking at his shoulder at that time. His left one iirc.

          • berttheclock

            Thanks.

          • 1CrazyChief

            Yep – showing my age, but I’ve had both ACLs done, both from basketball. The number one thing that gets you is not the physical part, it’s the mental part – being able to trust that you’re knee will hold up. The Dr. tells you that, but when you’re running on it what you remember is the pain and the work it took to come back.

            That game performance will be a huge confidence builder for Houston now – can’t wait to see him cut loose on the rest of the season!

          • Laurels and limitations

            yup, right now Houston just tracked down Semien in OT, again..lol. He’ll be fine.

  • berttheclock

    There is a RB/WR on the current waiver wire Dorsey might be interested in. D J Foster from Arizona State. Don’t let his NFL stats fool you, as he really looked good with the Pats in preseason. Check out his college record, where he was a six foot RB who decided to become more of a wide out. The Pats did activate him, early in the year, but, ended up having to use him for cuts. He may be one Belichick is trying to slip through waivers in order to bring him back for their PS.

    • Laurels and limitations

      Didn’t KC have a WR that showed real well during pre-season a while back…Balding, Goodwin….Baldwin maybe?

      • berttheclock

        Can’t recall, but, as Lyle Graversen wrote this AM, “Knile has to go”.

        • Laurels and limitations

          Knile has to go for what? I haven’t read the article so I’m in the dark here.

          • berttheclock

            Lyle wants to see both Wilson and Davis cut. But, he has a good breakdown of the victory. He is the only one I read at the old AA. Only go there on Monday mornings. He comes out before Jason puts up his excellent Monday morning threads.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Got it, I like his stuff too, and I’m always for upgrading players if possible and while I am watching this smash mouth game today I keep on seeing certain players laying key blocks, or making special team’s plays. Like I said, I like Lyle’s stuff, but to cut a couple of these guys with no real plan to replace them, NOW, is folly.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Davis didn’t do anything to hurt us, he just didn’t help. BTW, DAT is a better KO returner than Hill, I would keep Hill returning punts but use DAT on KO’s.

          • berttheclock

            I have only seen this one time this season, but, a couple of games back Toub put both DAT and Hill back for punt returns. The ball went to Hill’s side, but, out of bounds. I have wondered when Toub would utilize this as he could really cause confusion to the gunners and, just imagine, them running a reverse of the play.

          • 1CrazyChief

            Mind. Blown. just thinking about those possibilities!

          • Laurels and limitations

            Agreed, on both parts. At this point calling for someone’s head, like DAT or Davis is just pushing an agenda.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            And usually an unwise agenda at that. I think signing Sankey and cutting Knile earlier have people off balance on the makeup of the bottom of the roster.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Wasn’t Sankey signed when Davis was traded away? I have a hard time believing that Sankey was ever thought of more than just depth.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Yep, I’m not sure which happened first, but the end result is nothing happened.

          • berttheclock

            Now, Sankey is again on someone’s PS.

          • I think they haven’t thought that thru enough. You don’t want DAT or Hill as the last RB option. We were down to Ware and West and West was in the concussion protocol. Davis back solved the problem to get back to 3 deep at RB. Heaven help us if West or Ware go out with a big injury because then it would be down to just one guy and then what? Davis is safety, offers other possibles that DAT, and Hill should not be risked. I am not big on DAT but he made a big contribution. I am not big on Wilson either but Wilson did come up with a big block for Hill on the run to the right. Hill avoids the attempted tackle by MIller, Kelce constructs the fence and Wilson lays out the last defender big time. That is worth the note. But, WIlson had another play where he whiffed also. Get rid of him? I am not giving him WR #3 reps. Keep him for #4 and depth and S/T’s? I think he fits there. While I am at it, I would like to Robinson begin to get game snaps. With JMac out though, the insurance I guess is that Wilson knows the book and Reid knows him. He is must not capable of backing up JMAC’s X. What I don’t really understand is why Conley doesn’t get the followup targets. He did late int he game Sunday but it’s too much an after thought. Drives me nuts.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            I agree about Conley, I just wonder if with Maclin out, are other teams doubling up on Conley and forcing passes to our bad hands crew, or is Conley just not getting open.

          • need to look more… he is getting tight corner play and that is probably the right way to defend kc’s WRs with JMac out…

      • berttheclock

        Jon Baldwin was a training camp wonder, but, he fits my description to a tee that I believe the most important part to look for in any wide out is the ability to gain separation quickly, followed by quality pass catching hands. Baldwin never wanted to use his hands to push back against any defender and it was his inability to gain separation which cost him a career in the NFL.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      He’s a guy I was interesting in as a late round pick. Always intrigued by RB/WR hybrids for the WCO.

      • berttheclock

        Until he was injured, Prosise from Notre Dame looked very good as a RB catching passes out of the backfield. There are a couple of those in the upcoming draft. I believe one is from Ohio State.

        • berttheclock

          I believe Draft Tek has the Chiefs taking the QB from Clemson, Deshaun Watson. But, the very next player on their Mock is Christian McCaffery. Really torn as McCaffery would both fit the WCO to a tee, but, would be a major slap in the face to Horseface to keep him from playing there. Scary thought is a couple of Mocks have the Raiders taking him.

          • mnelson52

            Well they will be picking ahead of us….lol

  • berttheclock

    Once again, PFF gave top grades to Mitch Morse.

    • Laurels and limitations

      I hate the fact that PFF grades players so damn early, without proper tape to do so, and we are supposed to accept the grades as fact. Later this week, after the All-22 comes, PFF will amend their grades so my real question is why do they even bother with the early stuff.

      • I am not even going to spend the money on them in 2017. I am sure that spending a lot more money might given me more, but for me, I don’t think they are worth it and they reduced what they offer with the basic package.

        • Laurels and limitations

          I never have bought their stuff, moneywise that is. I used to peruse the stats and whatnot but by the time you get to the good stuff it’s by subscription only. Stats can be found elsewhere for free…like pro football reference…I love me some pro football reference. That site doesn’t grade ( I think), they just give stats.

    • Merlin

      Very few centers can step in as a rookie and play like a vet. This kid is special

      • berttheclock

        Yes and I mentioned how Nacho handled Max Garcia. I had Garcia in one of my Mocks to come to the Chiefs.

        • Merlin

          Two years in a row, Dorsey pulls a OL out in rounds 2-4 that seems overdrafted. Morse has been stellar, time will tell on Ehinger. I wonder if that’s going to be a trend. The starting interior of the line at the start of the season consisted of a 2nd, 4th, and 6th round picks. That’s good value.

          • berttheclock

            Meanwhile, in Seattle, Tom Cable is tearing what is left of his hair out trying to mix and match. Their top rookie, Ifedi, has looked good at times, but, was man handled by the front seven of the Bucs yesterday. The Bucs tore up that o-line.

          • Merlin

            I still think Seattle trading Unger was a mistake. What do you think?

          • berttheclock

            For the offensive line it was. Now, Jimmy Graham has had some excellent moments, but, he was the one who was stripped yesterday on a game changer when it looked as though Wilson and the offense were going to turn around the game.

            But, trying to replace Unger has been very difficult. Last year, Cable used 3 different centers and this season he had to more Britt to center which worked until he was hurt. So, they have another new center playing.

          • berttheclock

            One funny thing is when that trade was made, many Saints’ fans were furious, but, today, the Saints have a better running game and their passing offense does not miss Graham.

          • unfortunately, the injury took the storybook away> I think Ehinger was proving the point already… by the end of 2016 with 16 games under his belt, I believe we would be believers… which when you think about it, Fisher was recovering before his first year and didn’t have the strength building program that he normally would have worked through. this postponed his development in year 1. Then they swapped him in year 2 and swapped him back. repeated that in year 3 back and forth. I don’t think that helped him… He is steady now. I see 2017 with 3 solid players and it is looking like at least LD-T has again added a bit to his play…forward not backwards. I think the OL is going to be even better in 2017… So, let’s draft another one of those keepers in rounds 2-4… That would be great.

  • berttheclock

    One great play by a young Chiefs player was when Nacho turned Max Garcia into a turn style.

    • Laurels and limitations

      Nacho is taking advantage of his opportunities these last couple of games, good for him.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Hill absolutely has a firm grasp of where he is at on the football field, you can’t teach that, a plyer either has it or they do not.

  • Laurels and limitations

    No Jet Sweep, NOOOOOOOOO Jet Sweep!!!

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      In all honesty though, the jet sweep produced a heck of a lot more than the stupid WR screens.

      • Laurels and limitations

        only because of Hill though, before number 10 became involved in them they never worked.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          Never say never, I think there was one in early ’14!

          • Laurels and limitations

            Lol, I remember that Maclin had it work once…once.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Don’t you jinx us Herm, don’t you do it.

    Herm Edwards on who's the best team in the AFC West"It's not even close, the Kansas City Chiefs."— Sam (@SamDanes26) November 28, 2016

  • Laurels and limitations

    okay , I haven’t actually watched the OT before now, no spoilers please.

    • berttheclock

      May I only suggest the butler did not do it?

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      It was a heck of a quarter! I couldn’t fall asleep, and I sleep through everything!

      • Laurels and limitations

        Hehe, I fell asleep in my chair before the half. Those darn grandkids wore me out over the last 4.5 days.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          I almost pulled a Bert and turned it off down by 8, but I stuck with it. I have to say, I was not expecting the outcome we got, but I think that made it all the better.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Hmm, Gaines just pass defensed another one, let’s burn him at the stake!!!

  • Laurels and limitations

    MUTHAF*N SUMMBYIA%^TH!!!!! My dvr stopped recording after the DAT return in OT. Imma going to go get drunk, later guys, thanks for the conversation.

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      OK, spoiler, Chiefs won!!

      • Merlin

        Doink!

  • berttheclock

    Looking ahead until New Years Day, the Bolts have just had to place their OLB, Jerry Attachu on IR with a broken foot. But, Bosa has become one the best young pass rushers for them. Today, Bosa was listed along with Miller, Mack and Houston as one of the best pass rushers in the league.

    • Merlin

      Bosa has come on far faster than I thought. SD could have a special player there.

  • 1CrazyChief

    Anybody hear how Poe is doing?

    • berttheclock

      There will, probably, be more word tomorrow. I don’t know if Reid’s presser is up yet.

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      Good question, I don’t recall hearing anything during or immediately after the game either.

      • berttheclock

        He had a very good PFF rating. But, I just read Reid’s presser over at KC Chiefs.com and there was no mention as to any injuries. That will come later in the week.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          I was just reading the Star and they report he had back spasms. So probably just needs a lighter work load and more rest. Another bye week would be handy right about now.

          • 1CrazyChief

            Ah – thanks — I heard one of the announcers say ‘his back’ and was afraid of the worst

    • DEFENSE: nothing out yet on Poe… and Bert’s comment is apropos. What I was thinking: Howard was out, Bailey lost for the season, Poe misses half the game. That was our “solid Front 3” for last season and the anticipated 2016 campaign. Think about that. RN-R, Chris Jones, Kendall Reyes, and Jarvis Jenkins were the 53 man roster players available for this game. The first three played significant snaps in this very tough, physical game at Mile High — and those are big men playing the rest of the way after Poe went out — where players take oxygen throughout the game. This team is a very deep team and these guys were a huge reason that the defense worked as well as it did. Chris Jones, in my opinion, had a very big game–he was extremely disruptive. So let’s think further: Outside, we were unfortunately missing Dee Ford(yes, I am going to say it… Dee Ford). Houston and Hali(Frank Zombo included) manned the snaps at OLB. Did Dadi get in the game? Have to check that. We were missing Ford and Houston had a crucially important game and was the force we expect him to be. The safety also was a crucial 2 points that was needed at then end of things… Yes, Gaines made a mistake, but he was trying to find the ball at least — he is catching on… and he was playing outside, when we all know that he is far more solid in the slot and hasn’t the speed to cover a WR like Sanders… without Help. And with the single high not there, the play went long for a score… but that is Sutton’s call right? But inexperience outside with fast receivers cost the 6 points. Still, Gaines, and especially Peters, oh yes, Peters who gave up only 19 yards on the other side to whoever it was that lined up for him. Acker had a mistake that cost as well but 5 quarters of defense was a very long game for this whole defensive squad. and it is tough to ask for much more. Take away the TD to Sanders, and the score ends in regulation… but that is wishes and horses and peasants ech? So, I am not going to, just not going to comment on 3 drops(in traffic, yes), but 3 drops by Kelce(who had 8 catches aside) and the hands of Demetrius Harris for the TD on a contested ball. Just not going to comment on it, because this particular posting is about the defense… 🙂 … People are saying that Eric Berry is not worth the money but that man can hit people… Hard and he did. Run support by the corners and safeties was maybe not stellar be pretty danged good. Now I had my eye on Sorensen and Nelson. I didn’t see Parker make a play nor a glaring error. Murray? I thought the whole unit played well, with a couple of mistakes mixed in but the Broncos are a hell of a team and they can make any player look silly sooner or later. though They did not make a play, the played solidly. This was the 8th win in a row against a division foe. Hmmm. Doesn’t seem possible but the last loss was against Denver last season(the first game of the year(Charles Fumble)). Houston had 3 sacks in the game, a forced fumble that resulted in the safety, 10 tackles added to the total. He was a mad, disruptive man the whole game. Reyes had a sack… he saw a heck of a lot of action and I am thankful for his acquisition. It was Hali that sacked Siemien for a loss that forced a FG in the second half. Overall? With Bailey out, Poe going out and Howard missing a start, the danged front 3 played a football game. Think on that and how deep the front 7 truly is(when Ford gets back). Have not even commented on the ILB’s either. Left out DJ White….

      • berttheclock

        Excellent breakdown, but, don’t forget how Nacho shoved Max Garcia into a turn style, as well.

  • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

    I watched the Oakland game prior to watching our game yesterday. I got to thinking about the two today and one of the things that kept coming back to me, was mistakes that teams make to lose games. I know our offense needs to score more often and isn’t flashy and can frustrate the hell out of us, but I think at times we Chief fans can take for granted and underestimate the value of a mistake free offense.

  • Stan Colbert

    D. Harris was the first read on a must get 2 point conversion!

    • which makes sense because they would front and back Kelce giving single man coverage to Harris which is what happened.

      • jimfromkcj

        Dai, In answer of your question where I got the information that Alex was rated #24. If you go to CBS Sports and check stats at the top bar it will go to the stats page and in the passing column press all and it lists the passing leaders. I just checked it today and Breese was #1, Rivers was #4, Carr #5, Smith #25. Hope that explains it. Great win Sunday evening. but again looking at the stats, they were so overwhealming in favor of the Broncos that I don’t relish playing them again even at home.

        • I wasn’t questioning your rating and where you got it, what I am totally disputing is the play of the QB. So I will start where I look at things and that means for me, W/L% and using my own rating system and that puts AS/11 5th of active QBs since 2013.That’s the place to start. Rivers can’t get there, Neither can Brees and this year, Rodgers is struggling. The Chiefs are in front of most others in the top 25 that CBS has, and that tells me something isn’t being a true measure and don’t get me wrong. Smith was out a week, he had two head knocks the game preceding his layoff and he had a totally awful game against the Steelers. But then I go to one of my favorite QBs, Rodgers, and he had a miserable game as well, and maybe two. Do I think that all of those two abysmal performances lay only at the feed of Rodgers? No, I don’t. So there you go. Something is causing the offenses to struggle, not just in KC but the Bay up north too.

          An aside to Laddie: We need to get a page indicator instead of the scroll mechanism to find messages easier.

          Al Smith has rated somewhere between 12 and 16 for the past 3 years according to different sites. never in the 20s. Alex Smith is 19 according to espn rating. The NFL standard uses the following, % Complete per attempt, AVG yards gained per attempt, %TDs passes per attempt and %interceptions per attempt. But that doesn’t tell the story as it unfolds game by game.

          Meanwhile, the NFL rating has Smith at 25, which is similar to CBS at 24. 19-25 is quite a range below where Smith has been ranked for the 3 previous season(CBS, ESPN, NFL, etc). If he is completing 67% and not throwing INTs, then it is yards per catch, that is a problem right. Now, in the west coast, you see that as automatcially a lower number than other offensives in the NFL right? So does this make our “premiere game manager(said tongue in cheek), a bad QB? Nope. Because there are only perhaps 6 top QBs in the game. I would put Breez there and Rivers. But the other 4 are going to be the usual suspects. If i add w-l to the mix, I drop Rivers out btw.

          I don’t think you can rate Smith by the numbers based on his performance alone, either. I look at each QB, his mission with the team he is on and go from that point. Smith is not Wilson for example nor Cam Newton. Smith is not using his feet like 2015 either(Concussion or the defenses are accounting for him, or a combo?). But one thing I am sure about is that Al Smith is not the 25th QB in the NFL, CBS, ESPN, PFF or anyone who rates it, is just using numbers and like all stats they only tell part of a story. This is something that Brandon and Went round and round on, before the season, during the season and all I can say is: Chiefs are 8-3 and for example, the Chargers are 4-5. Like that. Is this because Rivers sucks? Nope. But he is playing with a system where he gambles because of the cast of charcters around him, and he is a gunner as well. and I am sure that he is not a #25 type QB. But the numbers for the offense are down and that is naturally a team problem. Do I rate him that low? No, I don’t, but I am not on Al’s ass either nor have I ever been. Dak is rated #1 by the ESPN I think. But here is my point. For the type game played, Al Smith completes 66%+ of his passes. For the NFL, Drew Breez is one as well, and he has completed 71%. That’s fair and is probably accurate. But they rank Rodgers 6, and Big ben is not in the top 10. Hell, he’s not in the top 15. The rating system has a bunch of QBs who are in Front of Ben and Al and most of them are not the QB I would want for the Chiefs. Heck, most of us would say, we get Russell Wilson for Charles and Smith and they go for it right? #14 QB according to the NFL rating system is Russell Wilson. See what I mean?

          I am not ignoring what you are saying, but it is quite clear to me that much of the responsibility for the failed offense does not lie in the QB’s hands. Nor does it in Green Bay. It is with the offense mix of players play callingt, injuries, etc. Or a down game or 3 by a QB. For me, KC’s problem lies with Play-calling. You don’t get to 8-2 with a bad QB, low rated. You get there because the team is a good football team with a deep roster. I think the Denver game just showed how deep. I think we have the playmakers, Even without Charles and with Mac out, losing Ehinger as a starter on the front 3, etc. here is my list(and yes it has expanded to include Hill but not just since Sunday–I had him in that class for the 2 games in front of that. I believe Hill is the real deal and have for quite some time. Kelce, JMac, Ware, Conley and now Hill. Now I can account for Heavy offenses set with Sherman blocking, Harris in a double TE set, or even a triple with James O for example. Three WRs and add Wilson as a 4th. That is a pretty deep group of tools to use. So why are they not effectively implemented?

          But anyway: Ware and West at RB are more than decent. Not Charles, but above average, which you could use the Sunday game as an earmark: 3.8 YPC (+). — Mac is out but that is short term. Hill and Conley at WR are a pretty good combo(X-Z), WIlson gets the Y or Hill or mix and match.

          What I can’t explain the targeting of the plays as Reid is calling them, but he doesn’t target Conley enough. Kelce at TE. is that enough to play against most NFL teams? I would say it is. Then we could add to that list I guess, but these guys are making plays. JMac is likely back next week so that is a +1 to the list.

          This is the gist of my disagreement with the rating system altogether. Al Smith has only 4 INTs in the process. So he continues to protect the ball. That is a big factor for me but the NFL doesn’t give it as much grade as I do, or you could not put Bortles up in the list right and one of the high ranking QBs whom we all admire is Phil Rivers. He has 12 INTs. Flacco has 10, Bortles 13. Osweiler has 14. See what I mean? Bortles, Flacco, RIvers, Osweiler and Flacco are all ranked in front of Smith. I’ll keep Al and wonder why the rating system is what it is because Big Ben is not a #18 QB… Dai