Chiefs Roster: What Are They Going To Do With These Four?

 

 

 

The Kansas City Chiefs have plenty of decisions to make by this coming Saturday. Never mind the fact that they’re about to make a huge impact on 47 players lives by cutting them, but there are players who have worked their way up the ranks so that they could make the 53 man roster and live out their dreams. What you have to wonder about is those players who appear to have made an impact but might just find themselves on the outside looking in… again. I’m talking about a player like WR Marcus Kemp.

The 6-foot-4 inch, 200 lb. wideout played his college ball at Hawaii and had 73 for 1,100 yards in 2016. He gained 2,570 yards for his career there to go with 13 TDs. Kemp was signed K.C. on May 6 as a UDFA. He likely wasn’t drafted because he has 4.54 40 speed but he’s already got a connection with Patrick Mahomes and could be seen daily catches his darts.

 

In the Chiefs preseason games, Marcus Kemp has made an impact on special teams and made a huge and memorable hit on a kickoff coverage tackle. It’s the kind of hit that sticks in people’s minds and I’m sure Kemp is hoping that play is sticking in the minds of the coaches as the ready themselves to make the cuts this weekend.

 

I’m also wondering what the Chiefs are going to do with OL swing man Jah Reid. Reid has exactly lit it up this preseason and he may be facing a number’s game in the offensive line. With Bryan Wiztmann being signed to an extended contract and then inserting him into the starting lineup at left guard, it appears he’s a lock to make the final 53. Zach Fulton has done a good job this preseason as well as moving around to every position along the line. So, it would appear that he’s safe because he can also play the center position. Parker Ehinger’s return last week creates a competition at left guard and since Parker was a starter last year, and only a second year player, it would seem that he has a place locked up on the roster too. Unless the Chiefs are planning on keeping 8 offensive linemen, Jah Reid may not be sticking around pas this Saturday.

 

Tamba Hali has been on the roster for what seems like forever but this past month has been strange. Hali lit into his coach and teammates the week before training camp. He wanted to know why he wasn’t given more snaps vs. the Steelers in the playoff loss and he wanted to know why some of his team mates weren’t at OTAs. Suddenly, Training Camp begins but we’ve seen neither hide nor hair of Hali.

 

I’m also beginning to wonder if the Chiefs are going to keep extra tight ends? Kelce and now Harris appear to be locks. However, with Harris facing a suspension of some kind, it may be that Reid and his cohorts will be keeping both Gavin Escobar and Ross Travis for the time being. That would leave Orson Charles out. Or, to the practice squad. Charles has made some good catches and it’s hard to think they’re going to let a young and talented TE walk.

 

Who are you wondering about whether or not they’re going to survive this weekend?

 

 

 

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  • Laurels and limitations

    off topic, but Watt is putting his money where his mouth is. His initial investment of 100K out of his own pocket started this…

    $1 MILLION!New Goal: $1.5 Millionhttps://t.co/SR6DmnNbyM pic.twitter.com/YUzbCLWgBa— JJ Watt (@JJWatt) August 29, 2017

    • berttheclock

      What is really interesting about this is when Watt came up with his great idea, he thought raising $500 thou might work, then, increased it to $750,000 and, now, that money has been pouring in has raised it again. Also, the owners of NFL teams have begun to promise matching funds of major amounts for various other funds.. In addition, Watt would like to see the preseason game between the Texans and the Cowboys be used as a fund raiser, as well.

      • Laurels and limitations

        Houston Atros have promised a cool 4Million, we’ve begun to see WRs around the league promoting the American Red Cross and Kevin Heart is calling in favors from his Hollywood peers to match his promised 25K. Those are not the acts of giving that endear me though. I’m really in awe of the amount of and vigor of “the regular folks” out there with their private flat-bottomed boats, and anything else they can use in order to help. Money is great and all, but right now the affected people need rescued, shelter, food, and probably medical attention in many cases.

    • berttheclock

      I have seen pictures of rescuers in Houston wearing the above hat in various colors. Watt designed that logo. He said it was based on his personal work ethic. He wanted it to look like a rising buildings from the ground up.

    • Merlin

      Quite a contrast with pastor Joel Osteen who refused to open his megachurch for refugees. Because, you know, that’s the Christian thing to do.

      • berttheclock

        Have you seen photos of his mansion, as well?

        • Merlin
          • berttheclock

            Merlin, Jim McIngvale of Gallery Furniture and I are on opposite sides of the political isle, but, have you read how he has opened two of his Gallery Furniture stores to provide immediate shelter to families, plus, he has sent his trucks around Houston picking up those in need? He has donated a great deal in the past to the Salvation Army and even had the elder Bush family stand as bell ringers at Christmas.

          • ladner morse

            … can’t click the up arrow enough times…

      • Laurels and limitations

        I’ve seen some reports today of flooding inside of Osteen’s church. I’m going to wait before I call the guy scum, but I know full well which way I am leaning.

  • Laurels and limitations

    The WR room is pretty crazy right now…Hill, Conley, WILSON!!!(hehe) and DAT are locks, imho, so who’s left? Normal NFL teams carry 5 WRs sooooo…..it’s going to be a fight between DR, Kemp, Jones, and Jones. But let’s not forget Dieter- he’s been silently effective and I won’t be surprised to see him hit the PS for development one bit.

    • berttheclock

      How about Chesson?

      • Laurels and limitations

        could be, could be.

    • Frank Rodela

      I could see 6 with DAT being classified as a WR, but is more than likely just a return guy

      Hill, Conley, DAT, D-Rob, S. Jones and Chesson are my hopes…more than likely Wilson over Jones/Chesson

      Kemp and Dieter to the PS, if not pillaged by another team

  • Chiefly Bacon

    I wonder if Chiefs are trying to hide some players for the Patriots game. Maybe Hali and DeMarcus Robinson fall into that category. If not, Robinson’s lack of performance, in the preseason games, is pretty surprising.

    • berttheclock

      Especially, on the offensive side of the ball for Robinson. Someone noted over at AP though, in one of the games, he did have his first chance to catch a pass and muffed it. But, I did believe he would get more offensive work.

  • berttheclock

    Still trying to figure out how one starts with a training camp roster of 90 and by league mandate must trim that to 53 somehow works out to the number of 47 as noted in the above thread. Now, I would NEVER want to be a little bit picky nit, but……………

    • freshmeat62

      The way they teach math these days, that may be right!?!?

      • berttheclock

        Didn’t want Laddie to hear “Those who can teach math, those who can’t teach…………….”

        • freshmeat62

          I have 2 grandkids in 3rd grade, 1 in 5th, 1 in 7th, all in different schools, and all learning different ways…I think. I used to think I was pretty good w/ math, but doubt I’d get out of 3rd grade today.

          • berttheclock

            Verse two of “Don’t know much about history”……..”Don’t know much about geography, don’t know much about trigonometry, don’t know much about algebra, don’t know what a slide rule can do, but, I do know that one and one is two, and, if this one could be with you, what a wonderful life it would be”.

          • freshmeat62

            It’s not good enough to know that 1 & 1 are 2 anymore. You have to know the theory behind it.

          • freshmeat62

            Kind of makes you wonder how we old farts survived and made as much advancement we have in the last 100 years.

        • ladner morse

          Don’t be trying to slip one by here… I am ever present…
          hehe

      • drwillez37

        U ain’t kidding I was a honor student and I can’t even help my kids do their homework…it’s like they teach the kids math backwards

        • Frank Rodela

          I tried to show Jo something the other day, 11 years old, and he looked at me like I was dumb. He then showed me the “correct” way to do it and I looked at him like he was dumb…and I felt dumber for having understood the way he showed me

          • drwillez37

            It’s like there’s no more equations they ask a paragraph long question just to find out what their even asking. Then you have to make an equation, it’s nuts

          • berttheclock

            Reminds me a tale told to me by a friend of mine at KU who had to take bonehead math. There was a quiz of 6 questions, each worth 20 points. However, you could opt out of one of the questions. A few days after the quiz, the asst prof showed the class the results of the test. All had opted out of the same question. He asked them if they had even read the question completely. Ye olde call of the question was very important in this. The question began listing a very long list of fractions, so, the class thought they were going to have to go through the list to find the correct answer. After reading only a few lines, they all punted. Now, to the call of question which was “How many pints are in a quart?”

            Never assume.

          • ladner morse

            Love that Story… being an ex-Teachy type.

          • drwillez37

            That’s a great story…but have u seen any of this common core stuff? It’s so weird

  • berttheclock

    With various teams having major QB problems heading into the season, I still wonder if Veach can shop Bray. Would Stave remain on the PS with only Smith and Mahomes II on the main roster? Still chancy due to unexpected injuries to the two main QBs, but………..

  • berttheclock

    As Laurels has noted below, most teams only carry 5 wide outs. Just read an interesting thread over at ESPN/NFL concerning the Titans. They have their 5 locked up, but, are going to look hard during this upcoming preseason game for a possible 6th. That player’s ability to perform well on STs may be the ultimate decider. Same holds with the Chiefs. Toub may well have a huge say in the final selection.

    BTW, their HC says he is going to have his starters work either one or two series Thursday night.

    One wide out for the Titans on the above bubble for making their roster is Tre McBride, out of William & Mary. He was a player many kicked around here during predraft threads about 3 years ago. Speedy, but, inconsistent.

    • berttheclock

      Never have been able to figure out the colors William & Mary athletes wear. Green and blue. When, William arrived in England after invading from Holland, as he was from the House of Orange, orange colors were everywhere to greet him.

  • berttheclock

    The Eagles have shipped their long time long snapper, Jon Dorenbos, to the Saints for a 7th round pick. Dorenbos became a legend with the Eagles after joining the Andy Reid led team in 2006. One of the 3 long snappers the Saints tried out this year was Thomas Gafford, the former Chiefs’s long snapper. All 3 will be cut.

  • berttheclock

    So, home field advantage at Arrowhead, anyone? If you say a mighty YES, suggest you read the latest thread by Bill Barnwell of ESPN/NFL about home field advantage in the NFL. The best the Chiefs have done is place 10th in the list of playing in the same stadiums. Overall, they are down at 27th on another list. The two toughest venues are Seattle and Baltimore. So, perhaps, it is not the crowd noise at Arrowhead, but, the fellows who wear the beloved Red and Gold when playing there.

  • ladner morse

    So the Depth Chart informs us that the top four WRs are:
    Hill
    Conley
    DAT
    Wilson

    Then the next are in this order???
    DRob
    SJones
    Chesson

    The rest include:
    Tony Stevens
    Marcus Kemp
    Tevin Jones
    Gehrig Deiter
    Robert Wheelwright

    It’s hard to imagine them cutting Chesson or DRob because they were drafted this year and last. So, off to the PS for one of them?

    • berttheclock

      What makes this a bit more murky is, normally, with a new GM, there is a regime change with the newbie coming in from the outside and wanting to put his own stamp on the program. However, with Veach being promoted upwards, while, he may show some new Veachism in obtaining players, he may not boot anyone off the team because they had not been personally selected by himself.

      • berttheclock

        That said, I still recall the words of Jon Gruden who spoke about how he had to decide on the bottom of the roster when he was with Tampa Bay. He said you had one player who was the best in only one area, but, two or more other players, who might not be as good in that same area, but, could help you in more than one area, then, those were the guys you would keep and jettison the singleton. So, look more for the Swiss Army Knives near the bottom of the roster

        • ladner morse

          That’s a good point Bert… but I’m not sure who those guys are. Guys who Toub also likes but can play WR too… they will likely be your SAK types.

          • berttheclock

            That is exactly why Kemp introduced himself to Toub early on. He even asked his college coach to allow him to play at least 10 snaps on STs as he wanted to go pro and he knew he would need to learn STs in order to make a roster.

      • ladner morse

        In fact… they may have been… “His Guy!”

      • Frank Rodela

        This just made me realize, with Dorsey gone, is Wilson still a lock to make this team? We keep putting him in the locked category, but it wasn’t Veach that has kept him this long, it was Dorsey. How much of Reid will play into this decision

        • ladner morse

          I think the final roster is 90% Reid.

          • Frank Rodela

            Then someone needs to compile a tape of the drops and poor routes of Wilson and get it over to Reid. L&L, since you have a personal relationship with Big Red, I nominate you

          • Laurels and limitations

            wrong guy, I’m the one who keeps voting to KEEP Wilson.

          • Frank Rodela

            Belay my last

          • Laurels and limitations

            too late!!

    • i will never understand this. in 1 season, bert has dropped 2 positions. why haznt drob taken that spot? or, overall why iznt this a vacant spit to keep @ impotant player. and frank…the wilson tape is the ptsd nitemare … horror show in red & gold

    • kemp should make the ps at worst

    • Ron Widman

      ?????? Wilson, I just don’t get it! Help me to understand.

  • ladner morse

    Seth Keysor has a piece out called, “What Can the Chiefs Expect From Their New ILB?”Here are some of his gifs on Ragland showing his play this preseason:
    .
    https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/902263898312671232

    • berttheclock

      I saw another play where it appeared Reggie slipped on the turf, but, came on strong and was in on the play to the other side. However, a huge part of this is the former Lousiville LB, Burton (SP?) is a very tough middle backer. Frazier thought if Reggie could get back to form faster, then, he would move Burton to the outside, but, he really liked Burton in the middle.

    • more to come on Ragland, Saturday…

  • ladner morse
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  • berttheclock

    I believe it was 2014 when Rico Richardson caught a TD in the last minutes of the last preseason game. However, he was cut and Frankie Hammond, Jr, who had been on the PS the year before was placed on the 53. The coaches thought Hammond Jr could help the team in more than one area, whereas, Richardson was only a wide out who did not play on STs.

    • ladner morse

      Rico, Rico, Rico… he made the Titans the next year… but no stats… he also spent offseasons with the Texans, Cards and Chargers. He’s still only 26. Rico, anyone? Anyone?

      • berttheclock

        One reason I remember him so well and followed his on and off career is due to his charming mother who used to post at other sites. She was his biggest fan and really wanted to see him with the Chiefs.

        • ladner morse

          He would have been better than Hammonds… that was my opinion then too and I’m sticking with it.

  • ladner morse

    On this play, I believe Keysor misdiagnosed the play because the runner heads outside where an OLB or DE should have made the play. Sometimes the ILB must fill his gap so others can make a play.
    .
    https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/902270505956364289

  • berttheclock

    Later, Laddie. I have to head up to the Portland VA to order some new glasses. So, until that time.

    • ladner morse

      And you wrote all of this without being able to see what you were writing??? OMG…you are Super Man. I knew it!

      Enjoy!

  • Frank Rodela

    Looks to be a little more breathing room in the DB room as Ashton Lampkin has torn his ACL, which will likely send him to the IR for the season.

    • Frank Rodela

      If not released with an injury settlement

    • berttheclock

      Reading Rotoworld lately is akin to reading the New England Medical Journal in the amount of torn ACLs and other maladies and the season has not even started.

  • berttheclock

    Earlier, Laddie and I were talking about regime change affecting trades. Trent Baalke of the Niners gave Vance McDonald, TE, a 5 year extension last December. Lynch has just traded McDonald to the Steelers for a 4th round pick.

    • berttheclock

      What makes this more interesting is it yet another pre-cut down trade deal.

    • berttheclock

      Lynch wanted him gone so much, he sent a 5th round pick to the Steelers with him. McDonald, after being drafted, was given the number 89 because Harbaugh thought he was going to be his Mike Ditka. Never really panned out. So far, since taking over as the new GM, Lynch has dumped 5 starters from the 2016 roster.

  • Frank Rodela

    Looks like the Broncos are trying to get in the pre-cut trade game. T.J. Ward has been the subject of talks with the Bronco’s brass. Though the Broncos are the ones making the calls rather than taking them.

    • berttheclock

      Geez, you would think Lynch would love him in the Bay, eh?

      • Frank Rodela

        At 30 years old, a $4 mil base salary and younger/cheaper talent behind him on the depth chart, I would be willing to bet it wouldn’t be an expensive trade if Lynch were interested.

        • berttheclock

          Speaking of getting a bit long in the tooth, look at the problems facing the Jets. They are trying to trade Matt Forte, age 32. If no GM bites, they might have to cut him. But, his guaranteed deal is for $4 M.

          • Frank Rodela

            If he is cut, wouldn’t mind the veteran presence in KC, if Spiller doesn’t make the cut that is

          • berttheclock

            Have you noticed the new mantra of several teams, such as the Niners, Bills. Browns and, even the Jets of “Younger, cheaper, deeper”? Can’t say the Chiefs are exactly in that mode with the high contract to Mahomes II, but, there is an element of trying to get younger. However, I still believe in having some older and wiser guys around to mentor the younger set and, also, bring some needed experience.

          • Frank Rodela

            Nothing like having the extra coach in the room. To me, that is what a lot of the veteran guys playing on vet min. deals are, an extra coach for the younger guys. Not only on the field, but, especially in a stand up guy like Forte, but off the field as well.

          • Laurels and limitations

            KC already has the veteran in Spiller though, no need to over do it.

          • Frank Rodela

            Agreed. If Spiller makes the team, and he should, then this means nothing. If he doesn’t and Forte is a free agent…

        • Frank Rodela

          Correction, the $4 mil base salary was actually Forte’s salary listed below by bert. Ward’s base salary is actually $4.5 mil with a $5.75 mil cap hit

  • berttheclock

    and, now, for what Joel T of AP says is the annual rumor of the Browns trying to trade the expensive, but, very good DB, Joe Haden. A little pricey for Veach?

    Tried to read Mary Kay Cabot’s thoughts about this at the Plain Dealer, but, my Mozilla Fire Fox suddenly went on alert with a warning and I had to reboot.

    • berttheclock

      Whatever, the rumor is several NFL teams have been notified of the interest of the Browns to move him.

      • Frank Rodela

        And several teams laughed while hanging up on Sashi Brown

        • Laurels and limitations

          hehe.

    • Frank Rodela

      At $14 mil cap hit combined with his lack of play….no thank you

    • He is gone because of money, yes. He is gone because he has been plagued by injuries as well, as his performance showed last year. He is 28. If he is recovered and can return this year to his pro bowl performance levels(and that is a big IF I guess(see the Charles situation in KC))… opposite Peters they would make a great combo. Role Mitchell into that picture, add Nelson and I am still hopeful about Gaines… backed by our Safety trio(Berry, Parker and Sorensen) I think that it would make a great situation for KC. Secondly, his price and stock not going to garner what the contract situation demanded — so the final result was his release.

      There is an upside if Joe H came back too soon after multiple injuries in 2015 including a horrendous concussion. This is a we’ll see situation.

      I like what Veach has done and wrote a piece for A1 and passed it on today for our illustrious leader appears to be tied up at the moment. There are two draft picks gone to get Reggie and Cam. I like both of these moves. Both are essentially first round picks that didn’t work out for the Browns and Bills. Both were on my draft list respectively. Neither was on my one list. Recall I was after Jaylon and he went to Dallas? He sat a year to get his opportunity at the Big D. This occurred for Ragland also. add in Cam, whose tenure with the Browns was not stellar(played Tackle, Guard and Center) and about all I came away with is that the player was not the fit for their offense they thought he would be. However, he has the skillset and feet for the ZBS. We’ll see.

      Reggie has exactly the skill set that KC would like but they had other objectives and of course, by KC’s second round pick, he was gone(at pick 41, second round due to heart murmor scare… Then he suffered a knee injury in pre-season and sat the complete year out in 2016. He is thus a “rookie” still.

      In Cleveland, the debate is on and there was a hue and cry but a guy named “Pluto” for the Plain awful paper, did a write up on haden that is well worth review. it highlights the down side and only mentions possibles.

      Frank, the cap hit affected the Browns but look beyond that because that is now wiped clean. The rumor is, KC is looking at it.

  • berttheclock

    Hey Merlin, if you happen to drop by, Joel Osteen has decided the floor of his Mega Mega Mega church is not that damp and has reversed course.

  • berttheclock

    J J Watt started the funding of his charity to aid victims of the Houston flood by putting in $100 thou of his own money. Money has begun to pour in from others. The owner of the Tennessee Titans, Amy Adams Strunk, has pledged $1 M to the cause. Mr Clark Hunt, the ball is, now, firmly, in your court.

    • berttheclock

      Robert McNair, the owner of the Texans and Robert Kraft, the owner of the Pats, have both kicked in one million dollar matching gifts.

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      Good to see the football world step up to help the devastation down in Texas……Kevin Hart from Hollywood has also stepped up to help.

  • ladner morse

    Watching a little bit of the Broncos and Green Bay… on a throw in the flat where JC catches the ball, the announcer saying, “Siemian, dumps it out again to Jamaal Charles. Charles, a gain to the… K-a-n-s-a-s C-i-t-y… 46.”

    I love it when the screw up.

    Hehe

    • KCMikeG

      It makes me sick – physically ill to see JC in donkey orange. He looks just fine to me. Dorsey not signing him AND letting him go to Dumbver is reason enough for his dismissal for me.

  • Roswell Incident

    Over on ESPN, FPI has KC winning the West and Denver as “no longer a good football team.” Brings a smile to my face (although I do wish JC could have ended up on a good team, not in the AFC).

    • Roc

      yes I read that also. I got a good chuckle to see some Denver fans getting very upset. One of them even predicted an 11-5 season.