Chiefs vs. Jets: Numbers 2 Consider

 

 

 

I am not in the mood to write some in depth analytical piece. Nor am I in the mood to write about the dumpster fire we have been watching the last 7 games. Instead, I thought I would write about a couple of aspects of this last game that stood out to me. They are good, bad, and for consideration. You decide which applies to them.

 

The numbers we need to consider are, in no particular order, 17:11, 3, 13-20, and 8

 

 

 

Let’s start this off with 17:11.

For those of you that don’t pay attention to stats, that is the time of possession of the KC Chiefs in our recent game vs. the NY Jets. Many times that kind of possession would result in a blowout loss to the team that held the ball almost 43 of 60 minutes. Instead, however, the Chiefs were able to put up 31 points in that time frame. If you were to give the 3 points they didn’t get on a missed field goal, they were scoring 2 points per minute. That is a 60 point game most of the time. Let that sink in for a second. In a typical game, where the teams are close in time of possession, the Chiefs would have scored about 60 points at that rate.

 

Is that scoring too fast? Is it something we should applaud or rebuke. Did it put the D on the field too much? Who knows. I would pretty much take 31 points in a game anytime, regardless of what you told me the TOP had to be. 31 points wins most games. The game started with KC up 14-0 after 4:24 of total game time.

 

It was crazy fun to watch the guys put up points at that rate.

 

To take it a couple steps further. In all 17 minutes and 11 seconds, the offense passed for 362 yards and rushed for another 112. Again, taking that out to a full game with about equal TOP, that would be 635 yards passing and 196 rushing. Simply insane rate of offense.

 

The average drive was less than 1:45, 5 plays, and gained over 10 yards per play (not attempt, but play). Too much fun to watch that kind of offense.

 

 

 

The next number I would like to discuss is 3.

Three is obviously what you earn for kicking a ball through the uprights in football. Our kicker had been on a nice streak since missing his first NFL kick. In this game he missed one. It happens. He had the franchise record for kicking a FG streak.

 

This missed field goal is important because of the implications at the end of the game. Now, let me pause a second and say that I am not trying so blame the loss on the missed kick. The blame is way beyond a missed kick. I am just wanting to point out how the strategy of the game changes with little things, in this case 3 points from a field goal.

 

So, let’s just say we made this field goal earlier in the game and we are at the last drive of the Jets. The score would have been 34-30 Chiefs. With 3:58 left in the game, might the Jets have gone for the TD instead of their own FG? A FG still leaves them down a point and needing another score. If they go for a TD and get it (with PAT), they are up a FG.  If they miss the TD, we are pinned at the 3 and they still need another possession. I say they would go for the TD. Perhaps they get it, perhaps they don’t (or we don’t get a penalty either).

 

If they don’t get it, we go into clock grinding mode or go for another TD mode, since we were scoring at will. If they do get it, we are down a FG, not TD. Either way is better than what happened. However, the missed FG early made a FG an acceptable option at this point in the game, as opposed to making the TD the only real option.

 

That missed 3 points created a different set of meaningful options. Those options might have favored the other team.

 

 

 

Up next is the magical 13-20.

 

This is the stat that says the opposite of 17:11 to me. While 17:11 may signal what a new play caller may mean, 13-20 says what a current play caller is going to give us. This stat is the number of first downs given up on third downs. That is right, we gave up a first down on about 2 of 3 opportunities.

 

In case you aren’t aware, that is not the hallmark of a good defense. Heck, that isn’t even what a below average defense would give up. You know, if I could convert on 2 out of 3 third downs, I would go for it on every 4th down.

 

This is important for a number of reasons. First up, it contributes to why the offense only had the ball for 17:11. Granted, the offense was scoring very quickly and putting the defense back on the field, but I would bet every head coach in the league would be happy to score 31 points in 17:11 minutes of possession.

 

Second, this leaves the defense on the field for a long time. The longer the defense is on the field, the more time to make a costly mistake. Those mistakes lead to yardage and points. Surprisingly enough, the Jets had the ball nearly 3 times as long as our offense, yet barely outscored us.

 

Earlier I mentioned how this points to our signal caller. Bob Sutton. Hot seat. Cross hairs. Potentially a sign trailing airplane. Yes, that serious.

 

I think we can be done with talking about what a great job he has done with what he has. How he has schemed around injury. How those great games we had in the last several years are him, putting the pieces together to make the most of the situation.

 

At this point, that defense looks lost. No real leader out there. Marcus Peters acting like a fool. Steven Nelson prepping for WWE work later.  General lack of discipline. Lack of toughness and swagger. And I don’t mean these guys aren’t tough physically. I mean they aren’t collectively the kind of tough defense that can decide to make a stand. At times, a defense has to stop the other team. You might call it gut check.

 

Our defense seems to be a… bend and bleed… defense. I read numerous articles citing our secondary playing too soft. Why sit at 14 yards on a 3rd and 11? Contest the space. I think the NFL has slanted the rules a little too far in favor of offense (yes, I get why they do it). But, honestly, I would rather see us give up a first down on a penalty contesting the play instead of sitting back and giving it up.

 

Whether we are in a run or pass defensive situation, I think our D’s identity needs to be one of attack. Sometimes our defensive backs will get beat. Sometimes our linebackers will be out of position. Sometimes our defensive lineman will get pushed out of position. It happens. If our team is attacking, I am happier with the outcomes than I am when we sit back and react.

 

My defense — the best defense is a good offense. What that means to me is that we need to attack the offense, not defend. Go after the QB on passing downs. Clog up the running lanes on rushing downs. On each of these, have the backup schemed to support.

 

As a last point, think of the “Hill Mary.” This is the best example of what I DON’T want our defense to become. The Cowboys sat in the traditional prevent defense. Stay deep and keep everything in front of you. We took it to the house against that kind of defense. While they did win the game, that cost them a TD. If they had come with a more typical defense, we wouldn’t have scored.

 

 

Finally, (I know I can be wordy)… the number 8.

 

 

This is the most disappointing number of all. A simple 8. So clean looking. So round. So Christmassy ( it is round like a snowman or tree). It is almost unimaginable to consider it as not a part of the season.

 

 

This number is perhaps the most concerning. We had a total of 8 penalties. I know, this is only about 2/3 of the penalties called in a game. You are correct. We are somehow below the norm for this game.

 

The Chiefs aren’t an average kind of team with regard to this. They tend to have highs and lows. I have already mentioned how the defense gave up too many first downs on third down. I have also discussed how we seem to play too much of a laid back defense. The 8 is about not attacking, not trying to take away the field. Hoping something happens instead of making it happen.

 

Plain and simple we need a different defensive identity.

 

 

To conclude this episode of The Rub! , we need a change of direction on defense. I am willing to wait a minute on offense, considering the play calling change.

 

What do you guy think? How are we positioned for this year and next? What do we need to do to fix this?

 

The Rub!

 

 

 

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Frank Leggio is an operations director living in the Columbus, OH area.He has two sons and a couple of Beagles.He was born in Germany, went to high school in KS and college in CO.
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  • HOMER!! Dave

    I like numbers, a lot, numbers are good for the soul but as it has been proven with this common core crap the schools are pushing on the malleable minds of our youth today….numbers are… maneuverable.

    I’m not arguing a single thing posted in this fine article but I AM going to put out my very own number (well, it’s from ESPN and on the internet so I guess it is EVERYONE’S number)….8. Well, I guess the number 8 has already been used in the article. Well then, here’s ANOTHER 8 to chew on.

    Eight (8), the number of games out of 12 games played this year by KC in which the KC defense held the opposing offense(s) to 20 or less points. Out of the 6 games lost by KC this year 3, or .50%, of them the defense did it’s job and held the opposing offense to under 20 points as well.

    I fully understand all the vitriol pointed at the Kc defense this season, but the at-times-inept offense holds just as much blame. The only difference in the defense this year and the last FEW years is that the turnovers and defensive scoring have all but disappeared. When those two things went away, the offenses cushion did as well.

    • balance. A well played game by all three (3) components of the team – OFFENSE, DEFENSE, S/T. If the defense is on the field all the time, they are going to wear down. If you can’t stop the opponent and get off the field, then you have become ineffective.

      • berttheclock

        On one of the scoring drives by McCown, he was 7 of 8 and kept moving the chains.

        • Watching the secondary during the game: There appeared to me a disjointedness to coverage. On multiple plays, guys were not in position and/or they expressed to others frustration — Mitchell on one TD. He was covering under but expected, I think, coverage over the top. Like that.

          What ever it has been, coverage, what is set up by Sutton, isn’t working. It’s not just this game.

          There is something seriously wrong with what they are doing. I cannot put my finger on it, but it is impressionistic so to speak, in my mind, in my vision — defenders out of step, or sync. It’s not just poor personnel is what I am driving at because there are some good players out there. Peters got beat for a TD.

          I need to watch the game again to see it but the Chiefs for heavens sake, could not stop the aerial Jets.

          • berttheclock

            I go back to the game against Denver. Prior to that game, I read a great article which said 4 former DCs had reviewed tapes of what was wrong with the Broncos. They agreed that when Siemian threw to his left, he hesitated for some reason. In a previous game, an opposing DC had instructed his DB on that side to jump the pass and it went for a Pick 6. However, in the Chiefs game, Sutton had Acker lay back and allow the receiver, who was usually much bigger than Acker catch the ball, then, try to tackle him. The result is the receiver would catch the ball just short of the first down, then, muscle his way past the yard marker with Acker trying to hang on. At no time did Acker try to jump the pass. In fact, the only reason he had an INT late in the game was due to just standing in the right place at the right time for a floater to come to him.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        that’s the thing isn’t it? As bad as it is to say, KC has not been able to put a complete game together all season long. A dominating defense allows for more leeway when lesser output from the other 2 facets is occurring. KC’s defenses since the inception of Sutton have been anything BUT dominating though- I miss Gunther.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    And three (3), the number of games in which the offense had last possession of the ball and could not manage a score that would have won the game.

  • Interesting thoughts. Homer, er, Dave gave two more constructs for 3 and 8. You probably started something here, we’ll see what arises this morning.

  • berttheclock

    I believe your Number 8 should be converted to being behind the 8 ball for the remainder of the season.

  • berttheclock

    For the Number 3, consider this. Marcus Peters leads the secondary with 3 INTs. The defensive back for the Bills happens to be Tre’Davious White who was taken at Number 27 on the pick the Chiefs gave away to the Bills. He has 3 INTs for the season. But, then, geez, as some intrepid poster here once said, the Chiefs already have enough defensive backs, eh?

    • oh, go ahead, point the finger. My draft would have taken White at 27. Though Sid Jones doesn’t have snaps, I would have taken him in round 2 if I didn’t get White at 27….or 3(if there and he wasn’t). I still think he was a fit and would have snaps with KC.

      I don’t know how, if I were GM, I would have handled round 1. I was inclined to trade back. Get my lusted for defender and then use my second pick, which would give me a shot at getting a 3rd.

      Now? I think drafting an offensive lineman each draft in round 1-3 should be done. We have got to have very good OL to win consistently.

      Another oddity: The Chiefs lived by defense for 3 years, and even into the 4th. We had takeaways and scores by the Defense which is now performing at the bottom of the NFL. WTHeck. 🙂

      • berttheclock

        Thanks, but, that poster happens to use the word “Homer” in his moniker.

        • I knew that. I was making fun of both of you…. Put it this way: Why don’t you both point the finger at me? that way the intrepidness of my damaged shoulders could bear the world on one shoulder or the other til I ‘Shrugged’.

          • berttheclock

            Funny thing. Did you happen to watch the Eagles play the Seahawks? In that infamous draft class of 2013, Eric Fisher, OT went first, then, Joeckel. But, Lane Johnson went to the Eagles and struggled a bit as he was moved to ROT. Now, Joeckel is with the Seahawks, but, Lane Johnson has become a force for the Eagles and really looked good protecting Wentz from his blind side. Johnson was, finally moved to LOT. Now, he appears to be the best of the tackles taken in that draft.

          • berttheclock

            As far as Joeckel being with the Seahawks, I don’t believe anyone on that line really protects Russell Wilson. However, Wilson is akin to a deranged moth who just keeps fliltering out of reach back and forth across the field with defensive players gasping for air frantically trying to reach out to catch him

          • berttheclock

            It reminds me of scenes from “High Anxiety” where a character keeps trying to catch something and/or carry something and keeps saying “I got ’em, I got ’em, I got’em, I don’t got ’em”.

          • Way it works in the crap shoot. But look, Fisher is a good LOT. He took time to develop but he is solid. Schwartz is solid. So is Morse. Our Guards less so but LD-T continues to improve and is at least performing above the journeyman level.

            I think we need more powerful players so the draft should focus on players who won’t have to build up weight… they will need to build strength in the weight room as most seem to need. Our guys were selected for speed and feet.

            Watching the Steelers game last night tells that story. We have 4 good OL. We need to solve Left guard and haven’t done that. Then just add a powerful man each season until they become a melded, powerful unit. Great if they also have feet.

          • yes, I was watching Luke. I wanted him in the draft ahead of Fish. He was injured out of the gate which delayed things and didn’t live up to the hype that goes with a top 10 pick. Now he has got it I think. Johnson was another on my radar and it is good to see him shine.

    • HOMER!! Dave

      Tre’Davious White, hmm, if he were to play for KC, where in the world might Peters play? Both line up on the right side of the offense. Guess they could bench Peters.

      • berttheclock

        As usual, you do not know one freakin’ thing about football except for the fact you don’t like Alex Smith. Sutton would play White opposite of Peters!

        • Chiefly Bacon

          Dave is clearly joking. Take it easy man.

        • HOMER!! Dave

          lol, yup, because guys that have played their entire careers on one side of the field are easily moved to the polar opposite. LOTs can easily play at ROT, ROLBs can easily play LOLB.

          Seriously, do some homework.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    At this point Peters looks to be a cancer of the team. I wonder if the cat needs a stern father figure or traded? Either/or, the status quo cannot continue.

    .@chiefs are in a terrible terrible state of mind; and this tailspin will only get worse until the players decide they want to do something about it. #BaldyBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/ElC5RU4dGo— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) December 5, 2017

    • HOMER!! Dave

      Ryan Tracy responded to Baldy’s claim…

      Not sure what's worse the lack of effort or the fact that the Jets knowing he wouldn't attack and running a route short of a long first down anyway https://t.co/jWQZXhaO8z— LockedOnChiefs (@LockedOnChiefs) December 5, 2017

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Utilizing a bend-don't-break defense and a quick strike offense is bad team football. The defense is going to get incredibly worn down in this scenario.KC should focus on being an aggressive attacking defense that blitzes often to force quick possessions and mistakes.— Gary McKenzie (@Super_G_Chiefs) December 5, 2017

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Yep, it was easy to see the defense wearing out, even in the first half.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    .@Chiefs: if you don't believe it can get a whole lot worse, I am here to tell you it can and it will. Only the players in that locker room can fix this team #BaldyBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/PrvKusJU5m— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) December 5, 2017

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      I watch the local pregame show with Baldy, he’s also down on Fisher big time. Before the game he was calling for Roaf to come back.
      I know Baldy knows his stuff, but this is about more than one or two players.

      • HOMER!! Dave

        Yup, I’m not disagreeing there but I have to agree with his being down on them two. I keep reading people saying how Fisher has improved and I’ll be damned if I can see it. Fisher is just ‘aight’. not good, not bad, just ‘aight’.

        I’m done with Peters, I don’t like people that half-ass and Peters is doing that to a T.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          Fisher isn’t playing to the contract he “earned” from Dorsey. I guess I have learned patience in my old age as I’m not ready to give up on Peters, yes his play this year has been frustrating at times, but how often (with the exception of a pick) has his good plays been highlighted. But I am getting fed up with every single defensive coach we have on this team because I haven’t seen a single on of them approach Peters or only other player during game time.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            not disagreeing about the coaches, they are coaching like pussies and letting the players take care of their own- which isn’t happening either.

            For the record, I hope Peters comes out of this, whatever you wish to call it, but I’m not going to hold my breath for it to happen. KC spent a “lion’s share” while taking a gamble on the kid, I’m just not sure that Peters’ can see that or honor it either.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I tend to look at things with a different perspective than most, I guess. So it’s highly probable my view is skewed.
            A number of people seem down on Peters because of his ties to his home town, but don’t most people have ties to their own home towns? I haven’t lived that close to mine for several years, but I raised my kids there and my son teaches school and coaches basketball there.
            I have heard and read several things about Peters “good” deeds locally. There is the turkey handout and the buying of shoes for kids recently, but there are a few others that I can’t recall the specifics off the top of my head. Marcus’ own mother has said he is vested in KC.
            Iirc, Priest Holmes was one strange cat. As I recall, he was born in Oklahoma or Arkansas, but made his home in Texas. He went home every chance he got, trained away from his teammates and almost never spoke publicly. With the exception of their onfield emotions, which are about total opposite, Peters reminds me a little of Priest.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            I’m not calling off-field Peters a bad person, not one bit- he has done some very good things while not playing football. I AM calling on-field Peters weak-minded, I would do the same of anyone that plays and acts like he has this season while doing the same.

            Btw, Priest played ball in H.S. and college ball in Texas and spent the majority of his youth being raised in San Antonio. But yeah, he’s a reclusive type by all reports.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I can see that, but where is the guidance? Even Sunday at the end of the game, after he came back from the locker room, there was a shot of Peters that looked like he was having a friendly discussion with someone in the stands. Why weren’t the coaches in his ear or better yet, in his face filling him in on the correct way to handle that. I know he is a 24 year old “man”, but his background wasn’t a secret. I don’t think the team needs to hire a babysitter for him, but allowing him to his own devises seems faulty.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            not disagreeing there, we know Peters listens to that thug Lynch (bad thing, imho), that he also listens to Berry n(good thing) and somewhat to JH50 (he SHOULD listen here also). I have to wonder how much Peters is even capable of learning.

            I keep on thinking of the movie ‘White Men Can’t Jump” and they are listening to Hendricks in the car…”you might hear Jimmy, but you ain’t listening to Jimmy”. Of course, I don’t have all the racial undertones in my mind, just the listening part is crux to the conversation.

  • PaulFromNorthMo

    I like numbers also, so here are some more, how about 9/157, receptions and yards for Kearse or 8/107 the same for Anderson. Or 0 (zero), the combined number of sacks and interceptions produced by KC’s defense. Or how about 2, the number of QB sneaks given up for TD’s. But then on the other hand, it’s not often our defense has to go up against QB’s the likes of Josh McCown. Well Frank, I hope my numbers don’t rub you the wrong way. 🙂

    • berttheclock

      Plus, two runs for first downs by a 38 year old journeyman QB. One was on a 3rd and 10 play.

  • HOMER!! Dave
  • PaulFromNorthMo

    Ok, look everybody, a lot of you are not going to agree and that’s fine, and I am in no way trying to defend Peters actions, but answer me this. Who else on this craptastically performing team is showing one ounce of emotion that they are getting their asses kicked week in and week out.
    Yes, some of what Peters is doing is stupid, but what he isn’t doing is taking his frustrations out in ways detrimental to the health of other players.
    Look and what Smith-Schuster and Iloka did last night, intentionally head hunting their opponents. Yeah, in Burficts case that might be karma, but still.
    And Sunday, what about the lowlife, scumbag, cheaper than dirt hit on a player laying flat on the ground out of bounds by Gronkowski? Does anyone here think BB is going to bench or trade Gronk?
    I’m sure everyone saw the reaction of the fan that ended up with the flag Peters threw into the stands, so look at it this way. Peters is trying to spread some joy while mired in this pig sty.

    • HOMER!! Dave

      hehe, “joy”.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      Dang Paul, you and I are on the same wavelength this week. Excellent points.

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        Great minds and all, right?

  • HOMER!! Dave

    Remember when there were more stories like this than the b.s. that clogs our feeds nowadays? I miss them times.

    That moment when everybody finds out they’re getting a bike from the #Chargerspic.twitter.com/piQmy13fEa— Los Angeles Chargers (@Chargers) December 5, 2017

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Now that was a cool moment!

      • HOMER!! Dave

        Yup, it sure as heck was….I’m not sure who was happier, the kids or the Chargers’ organization who were present. I LUV stuff like this!!!

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          It sure beats the negative stuff!!

          • HOMER!! Dave

            could not agree more. Social media is just as capable of good as it is bad, but people tend to flock towards bad….and this makes me sad at times.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            That’s pretty much why I have sworn off of watching, listening to or reading “news”. If it isn’t bad, it isn’t reported. Or so it seems.

          • HOMER!! Dave

            I can’t watch the “news” anymore. The same news that continually tries to incite me, attempts to sway my thinking in one or more ways, and even tries to turn me xenophobic, I have zero need of.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    the game is on the line, one chance left, the entire season well very may hinge on THIS opportunity. Pain heals, chics dig scars, glory is forever…..and we got Smith.

    Final offensive play 4th and 6 #JacobsEyeInTheSky pic.twitter.com/eka2KC1vxy— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) December 5, 2017

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Has anyone figured out who that pass was intended for. It almost made to the end zone but…….

      • HOMER!! Dave

        I’ve watched it a few times and I’m still not sure. It almost looked as if Alex was ad-libbing there but I’ll be danged if I know.

  • PaulFromNorthMo

    I see George, Rob and Juju have all been suspended for one game. I also read that Gronk is appealing his suspension. IMO, he shouldn’t be allowed to appeal that one.

    • HOMER!! Dave

      Gronk should have faced heavier fines imho. The JuJu hit was dirty, but I can at least understand him in hitting a known dirty player like that. Gronk was just being pissy because he got beat.

      Guess you cannot fine one less than the other, but I still kinda wanna.

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        Yeah, I suppose, but I think Gronks was worse. At least the other two happened during the play. I also think JSS might not have gotten suspended if he hadn’t stood over Burfict like a moron.

        • HOMER!! Dave

          not even trying to disagree, but I’m betting there are plenty of lawyers out there who do.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      They should have slapped him with another game, just for having the audacity to appeal it.

  • HOMER!! Dave

    haha, jack-ass…

    Rob Gronkowski loses his appeal https://t.co/hDpzyddS1p— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) December 5, 2017

    • Chiefly Bacon

      I wasn’t aware he had any appeal to begin with 😉

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Good, maybe the NFL can right it’s own ship after all.