Eric Fisher Signs Extension, Eric Berry a No Show at Camp

Screen Shot 2016-07-24 at 9.35.52 PMUnless you were hiding under a rock yesterday or so engrossed in all of the news coming out of St. Joe, Missouri, the home of the Kansas City Chiefs’ training camp, you probably know by now that starting left tackle Eric Fisher signed a pretty significant contract extension.

 

 

 

 

You probably also know that safety Eric Berry was a no-show at camp, as predicted, and is under no obligation to be there because he hasn’t signed his franchise tender at this point. If you looked at Twitter at any point yesterday, you probably saw a lot of negativity towards this signing. Here are just a few I saw when scrolling through my timeline:

 

 

 

 

As you can see, the response was less than enthusiastic for this signing. And perhaps with good reasoning. However, comparing a left tackle to a safety is like comparing apples to oranges, or Chiefs to Raiders. They just aren’t the same thing.

 

 

1 Direct Snap LOGO FINALAs the waning days ran down for Chiefs general manager John Dorsey to sign Berry to a long-term deal, he undoubtedly turned his sights to other players he could–and wanted to–lock up with contract extensions. I truly think moving through last season, Fisher was probably towards the bottom of that list, but when you take into account he took a position change in stride–Reid moved him to right tackle to begin the season–and then reclaimed his original position while owning the reigning Defensive Player of the Year in the process, it only makes sense that locking Eric Fisher up to a long-term deal made perfect sense.

 

 

Further, the deal was extremely team friendly in that it shaved roughly $3 million from the Chiefs’ overall cap number for the 2016 season. That’s a huge move, considering they were sitting with just a hair over $1 million in space prior to the signing of Fisher. That cap hit is due in large part to Berry and the Chiefs not coming to terms with a deal, which makes Berry’s cap hit almost $11 million for the season–all guaranteed.

 

 

The other major point is signing Fisher to a contract is it brings significant continuity to the Chiefs offensive line. In case you missed it, and I doubt you did, the Chiefs brought in huge free agent acquisition Mitchell Schwartz this offseason to anchor the right side of the line for the next five years. Additionally, center Mitch Morse is only in his second year of a four-year rookie deal. That means with this signing, three-fifths–and perhaps the most important pieces–of the Chiefs’ O-line is now cemented in stone–and ink–for at least the next three years. For everyone who has been screaming for stability along the front five, this should bring a serious sigh of relief.

 

 

Breaking down the details of Fisher’s contract, it’s easy to see why the Chiefs made this deal. They still have to look towards signing defensive tackle Dontari Poe next season–who won’t come cheap–and still look towards signing Berry next offseason.

 

 

 

While on the surface, it may appear that Fisher’s signing trumped that of Berry’s, the bottom line is, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. If anything, signing Fisher only opened the door for Berry to return to the field next season wearing red and yellow.

 

 

Let us know below what you think in the comments below. Were the Chiefs crazy for signing Fisher over everyone else?

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  • Laurels and limitations

    overpaid! lol. Bring it.

    • ladner morse

      You don’t necessarily pay players for what they have done in the past… but what you project them to do. You won’t get any arguments from me that Fisher has been great or any such nonsense… but he has been on an upward trajectory and from that standpoint… Dorsey is taking care of the critical positions: pass rushers, pass protectors & DL.

      • Laurels and limitations

        yup, I just posted to Paul that Dorsey re-signing Fisher was actually Dorsey’s first pro-active move all off-season, minus free agency. This was a good move in that it allows KC room to negotiate where before they had none.

        • ladner morse

          I’d still be sad if Berry ever wore another team’s jersey.

          • Laurels and limitations

            we’ll have to see what happens here. Dorsey has done some crazy salary crap stuff but at the same time he has always seemed to make room, ya’ know? Maybe, just maybe, Dorsey has been talkin’ to camp Berry and told the cat to hang on, we got you.

          • Brandon Chester

            I agree but at this point I think there is more of a chance to sign Berry then Poe.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Maybe, but I still think Poe brings more to the team.

          • Laurels and limitations

            I’m kinda split on this one. I remember KC without Poe, but I also remember Sabby Piscatelli, ya’ know?

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Kind of like voting for the Pres. least of two evils.

          • Brandon Chester

            Ya but Poe would want a Wilkerson like pay day. I see Poe cashing out and going to a 4-3 to make the most money. Berry’s a leader. Plus we’ve already used Howard to replace poe at nose tackle.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            I used to agree, but if Berry was a leader his ass would be in camp.

          • Brandon Chester

            Well if he gets injured during training camp he isn’t guaranteed the full 10.8 million. He’s just protecting his investment.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Are you sure? As long as he signs the tag, I believe it’s guaranteed. It really wouldn’t matter if he was hurt in camp or the very 1st game.

          • Brandon Chester

            I guess your right. I thought if he was hurt in training camp it effects their pay. Apparently its fully guaranteed once they sign it with the exception of this

            Under Article 10, Section 2(c) of the CBA, the contract can be terminated if the player fails “to establish or maintain his excellent physical condition.”

        • Brandon Chester

          From what I know as of now this does absolutely nothing to Fisher’s cap hit in 2017. It still remains at 11.9. So the Fisher extension didn’t exactly clear cap space. Unless they release details saying otherwise. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/942e1a78c3e184b5c99f91bc4af8c4833176cd6fbfcf1e9c1514fbc8b90cfb8b.jpg

          • Laurels and limitations

            Yeah, we really don’t know squat until they release the details.

        • berttheclock

          What this will mean for 2016 is the Chiefs will have some extra money in case some player gets injured and Dorsey needs to replace him, plus, he can look at waiver wire cuts from other teams come September.

          • Brandon Chester

            Hopefully Dorsey won’t spend the extra money tho. I was reading what happens with the left over cap money by NFL players association and the obvious answer is it roles over. If we can save the 4 million in cap space from 2016 and move it into the expected 2017 cap when it raises by 10 million we’d have about 8 million. Enough to get Berry under contract if he’s willing to sign for 4 years 40 million. Which would create a cap hit of about 7.25.

          • Tony Parker

            Don’t forget PS players.

      • berttheclock

        Joe Staley, also out of Central Michigan, was drafted in the 2007 draft. He made the Pro Bowl in 2011. His first couple of years with the Niners were rough.

  • jimfromkcj

    I guess most know how I view contracts that the player hasn’t earned.

  • PaulfromnorthMO

    If Ehinger works out at LG, then we now have 80% of our OL set for at least 3 years. We have all known we need better OL play, but we have also needed continuity, so maybe we are finally almost there.

    • berttheclock

      Geez, it is only 20 minutes to 4 AM in the PNW and you are already posting. Up early to milk some cows eh?

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        The chores have never gotten done without getting out of bed!

        • berttheclock

          I wonder how much Fisher knew about this deal being put together as he walked up to the dorm on Friday. From every view I saw of him striding along, he looked extremely happy heading into camp.

        • Laurels and limitations

          so THAT’S what I’m doing wrong.

    • Brandon Chester

      LDT’s contract will be up first. If he has proven himself worthy of a contract extension the negotiations should go smoothly. He unlike 99.9% of the NFL actually has a second career and a plan after retirement.

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        I wouldn’t be surprised if we draft a RG in the 2nd day of next years draft. Even if LDT steps it up this year, we still need improved depth on the inside of our OL.

        • Laurels and limitations

          fact.

    • Laurels and limitations

      Did you see the vine yesterday of the o-line walking to the practice field? More than a couple of pundits were talking of how Ehinger might be maxed out frame-wise, but it sure looked to me as if he has room to grow still.

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        I was thinking about that. Those talking heads have to have an excuse if something happens they don’t predict.

        • Laurels and limitations

          Yeah, and I was gobbling their crap up, I should have known better.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            The sad part is, is that’s our info source pre-draft.

          • Laurels and limitations

            yeah, it’s all we got. Then we wonder how come nobody, ever, has any clue as to how a draft will play out, let alone a single player.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            That’s why that stuff like Morse supposed to be a 4th rounder doesn’t faze me. Dorsey knows more than us or the media. Heck, not just Dorsey, all GM’s.

  • PaulfromnorthMO

    Another way to look at the Fisher contract. His 5th year option was almost 12 mil all guaranteed, he was playing this year for 7 mil, also guaranteed. If we had to franchise tag him in 2018 that would have been another 14 mil (approximate) also guaranteed, for a total of about 33 mil in guaranteed money over 3 years, so for another 7 mil we doubled the length of his time as a Chief.

    • Laurels and limitations

      that was what I was adding up in my small mind last night also. I still need to see the salary cap site reviews before I totally applaud the deal but on the surface it looks as if Dorsey nailed this one for way under the projected cost.

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        Assuming Fisher plays up to the deal.

        • Laurels and limitations

          that’s it too, they are paying Fisher as if they believe he has finally arrived but we all know (even the most ardent Kool-Aid drinker) that Fisher has only played 1/2 of a season anywhere near the level of this payday. It’s risky.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Agreed!

  • berttheclock

    Excellent review, Jason. I really do not understand the various positions taken by those who keep saying Berry should have been signed first. From everything I have read about the negotiations, neither Speck of a3 nor Dorsey were ever on the same page. Speck went into the negotiations with a set agenda to have Berry receive as much up front money for the first two years of the extension as he could possibly get from the Chiefs. That makes me believe Berry was very concerned about the possibility of his cancer returning, so, he wanted to lock up as much money as he could for them. The Chiefs wanted an upfront Cap friendly deal, so, they were never in a position to really come to terms with Speck and Berry.

  • berttheclock

    Off topic, as usual, but, i wrote recently about the danger of any player pulling a hammy in camp and being left behind. It happened to Tre Jones, the young corner, and he was cut. In his place, Dorsey has brought back the Akron, FS/SS/ST player, Bryce Cheek.

    • Brandon Chester

      I like Cheek. When I wrote the article predicting the 53 man roster I had Cheek on the practice squad. They waived him so I took him off and replaced him with Tyrell Adams. They said he plays corner and safety and the seems to be what the Chiefs ask for in their safeties

      • berttheclock

        With the coaching staff trying out Murray at safety, as well as putting KeiVarae Russell back there for a few reps, it looks as though Dorsey really wants to have extra players available to play safety. I wonder if Sutton will use the old Fritz Shurmer scheme of having 3 safeties on the field at the same time more this season. He really does need a solid thumper to hit TEs.

        • Brandon Chester

          I think I read somewhere that Sorenson and Brown were taking reps as the LB/S role. Tho I’d think that would be Berry’s role when he arrives. I know last year our nickel package was 4 safeties. This year it looks like 3 corners and 3 safeties.

          • Laurels and limitations

            When Sorenson was getting additional reps last season I think he was in the box, right?

          • Brandon Chester

            Ya for the most part.

  • berttheclock

    With the bookend OTs heading into camp, I would imagine any rookie who has played OT will be asking Heck if they can cross train at OG. Jah Reid, already, is the proven swing man on the O-line.

  • ladner morse

    I’m off like a dirty shirty… to bring you the latest Chiefs camp scoop.

    Later ladies and gentlemen….

    • berttheclock

      We will miss your usual “Sunday Vespers”, but, love the work you did yesterday and I am sure you will add more wrinkles today.

    • Laurels and limitations

      stay hydrated, it’s hot out there today, man.

    • Jason Seibel

      Be safe amigo!

  • Chiefly Bacon

    If anything, this shows just how bad Berry’s agent is. Dorsey has an established track record of playing full market value for players he wants. Chiefs seem to have moved on from Berry to Poe, that could change if Poe wants to wait and see what he can get in FA, but for now the chances of his return are far higher than Berry.

  • Tony Parker

    It’s Red and gold there Jason, red and gold. Berry is gone next year, maybe even this year but he’s gone.

    • freshmeat62

      I know! Doesn’t the word ‘yellow’ just grate on the nerve ends? I even went back to look up the official colors, and they are ‘Red and Gold’.

      • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

        You are definitely right…..officially it says Red and Gold.
        I see Red and Yellow.

        • freshmeat62

          OK,I agree they’re color blind. But their intentions were good w/ the gold.

      • Laurels and limitations

        It doesn’t grade on me unless I gotta hear that song “Red and Yellow”. Just not my genre.

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      I don’t know how people see Gold in the Chiefs jerseys. I see Deep red and Gold in the 49ers jerseys, but I see red and yellow in the Chiefs.

      • Laurels and limitations
        • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

          Look at that Texans patch from the early years…..now that’s Gold!

          • Laurels and limitations

            yeah, I get what you (and others) are saying. If a person just happened to look at the uniform, they would say red and yellow.

          • berttheclock

            Did you know the original Raiders feature of the pirate had some gold in it? It was a take off on the Steelers colors, but, when, Al Davis took charge, he had it changed.

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        Missouri gold is a different color than California gold, too much of that Kansas influence! lol

        • Laurels and limitations

          yeah, around here our “gold” is actually clear in color and distilled at least once.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Corn is gold!

          • Laurels and limitations

            Ha, very truthy.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            So is rye and wheat in the right stage.

          • Laurels and limitations

            MOAR truthiness!!

        • berttheclock

          For the game this season where the Chiefs will have to wear yellow, they call it mustard yellow.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Those are going to be the stupidest uni’s some moron ever dreamed up.

        • dominicscarlatti

          LA Lakers uniforms look purple and gold to me, but according to the team, they are “royal blue” and gold. It must be that blues blend into purples here in the rarified atmosphere of Cali.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            I think the high heat indices here bleach out the gold!

          • dominicscarlatti

            Well, I live right in the heart of “Gold Country” up in the hills where the mines used to be. Now, there are vineyards! Heat in Missouri is humid-hot, whereas here it is bone dry. 104° here Friday, which meant eight straight days of 100° or more.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            It has actually cooled off here for the past few days but predicted mid 90’s+ for most of the week, since it rained this morning heat indices will be approaching 110 if not higher.

          • dominicscarlatti

            Yikes!

      • dominicscarlatti

        Me too. Maybe we’re “yellow-gold colorblind?”

      • Tony Parker

        We see gold because that is the chiefs official colors, red and gold, not yellow. Yes it looks yellow but officially, it’s called gold.

  • freshmeat62

    I like the fact that D&R are finally developing a really good o-line. I wish they had done this 3 years ago…better late than never. Yeah I know they drafted Fisher back then, but the other 4 positions were left flopping in the wind! And if I read the numbers right, and I seldom do, averaging a little over $10mil/ isn’t bad for a quality T. I won’t distinguish between LT and RT anymore. As bert has been saying for a while now, the 2 positions are pretty much equal now in blocking pass rushers.

  • freshmeat62

    The Chiefs have Parker signed for 4 years. They signed him last year when Berry was out ill, to fill in for Berry. To me that’s the writing on the wall for Berry. I’m just surprised that Dorsey is paying Berry over $10mil this year. I’m wondering that if one or more of these young DB’s they have develop, that Berry’s tag might be pulled?

    • Laurels and limitations

      Parker is a SS, while Berry is a FS. Comparing the two is kind of like saying an inside linebacker and an outside linebacker are the same thing. It’s close, but no cigar.

      • freshmeat62

        If I’m not mistaken, Berry was considered a SS at the time of his illness. Switched to FS later. There use to be a difference between FS and SS, but lately the 2 positions seem to be more interchangeable… especially w/ Sutton.

        • Laurels and limitations

          Yeah, Berry was originally a SS, his tackling ability allows him to slide up into the box. I’m not too sure if it is a Sutton thing or a league wide thing though as teams are running defensive sub-sets almost half the time anymore. My point is Berry is can play both positions adequately, Berry can do what Parker does, Parker can’t do what Berry does.

          • Laurels and limitations

            just my two cents worth though, so basically worthless in the market.

  • sidibeke

    It didn’t trump Berry, it simply followed the failed negotiation with Berry. This is a great move, and Dorsey has done this repeatedly. Get the more manageable negotiations taken care of before the offseason so he can focus on the one big FA and potential franchise tag recipient. This is a good signing.

  • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

    Hey off topic for a second……see if you guys can help me. I’m trying to change my profile picture, but every time I download one it appears sideways, I’ve tried several attempts, but can’t figure out how to spin it upright?

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      It’s always pointing at 9:00

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        You look fine if I lay on my right side!!

        • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

          LOL!

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Crap, now I gotta sit up.

    • John Davenport

      Try rotating 90 degrees to the right before you upload it.

      • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

        LOL!!!
        I just tried that and this time it stayed at 3:00!!

        • Laurels and limitations

          Lol, this is funny.

    • Laurels and limitations

      don’t know if this will help or not. I usually have to ask my son in times like this and he is currently sweating his you-know-what off out there near your coast at NTC.

      http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/digitalphotography/f/sideways-pictures.htm

  • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

    I finally got it! Thanks.

    • John Davenport

      Nice pic

      • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

        Thank you, nice of you to say.

  • Laurels and limitations

    has practice started today?

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      Good query, I thought it was at 8:30 am.

      • Laurels and limitations

        I have zero idea, and am feeling so lazy today that I don’t even want to spend the energy to look it up.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          8:15 am practice time today.

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      Surely it has right? It’s like 12:30 back there. I am super curious about Mike Williams, I got this gut feeling we scored on that signing.
      Sorry I called you Surely—lol

      • John Davenport

        Nope, it’s only 11:30.

        • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

          That’s right, you’d think I would know that since I lived back there for 6 years.

          • John Davenport

            Times change, LOL.

      • Laurels and limitations

        love that movie.

        • Laurels and limitations

          that sucked, I rotated the picture 90 degrees but it flipped it back when I posted.

      • Laurels and limitations

        I’m keeping measured on the Williams thingy, so far he is just a camp hero. I’ve seen this too many times, who was the cat last season that made every play in camp and even the preseason just to end up being released?

        • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

          Fred something wasn’t it?

          • Laurels and limitations

            Williams was it not?

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            That’s him, yeah, Fred Williams. I remember being shocked when he got released

          • Laurels and limitations

            Yeah, I think everyone was because he was everywhere up until the regular season.

    • John Davenport

      I believe so, it was moved inside due to weather. Probably done by now.

    • ladner morse

      I got great close up vids of practice today. Will post them for Mon morning. Am on the road back to Dallas.

      • Laurels and limitations

        awesome, I’m looking forward to them.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Today's practice? Creativity of Andy Reid in all phases AND Competitive nature of ENTIRE practice-brought it today even after going inside— Mitch Holthus (@mitchholthus) July 31, 2016

  • Laurels and limitations

    Bray had 3 really good throws today. Murray had two really good throws. https://t.co/42mFNqp4Y8— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) July 31, 2016

  • Laurels and limitations

    Here you go Paul

    Kevin Hogan had beautiful ball through the window before two defenders closed it down. The velocity, accuracy & anticipation was impressive.— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) July 31, 2016

    • berttheclock

      OK. it is extremely early, but, today, Bray hooked with Steater twice on fairly long passes, one of which went for a TD. Is Murray the QB who looks as though he might become odd man out?

      • Laurels and limitations

        so far, yup. Murray also had an underthrown ball in practice today that was picked off. He’s gotta be careful.

        • berttheclock

          I saw that clip of Bray throwing the TD pass. It looked as though he merely flicked it down field.

          • Laurels and limitations

            That arm man, that arm. I want Bray to earn the starter spot when he is ready, the guy can absolutely make every throw, and make it look easy doing so.

          • berttheclock

            You know over at AP, they have a Team Bray contingent.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Hardly go there, but I’d be on board. When the guy is ready, not before.

          • berttheclock

            Yeah, please stay here.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Bah, these boards revolve around you and Paul, Bert, I’m just that irritating background noise that people complain of.

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            Look at you fishing for compliments–lol. 😀
            Kidding, but seriously, don’t sell yourself short……I usually read yours and Berts stuff first.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Fishing!? Hell, I was trying to provoke a fight with trolls!! Wrong site I suppose, failed again, damint.

          • KCMikeG

            Thanks to Laddie!

          • Laurels and limitations

            lol, true.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Also pretty cool to watch Peters’ awareness of when to come off his man and go for the pick. https://t.co/UmrTjobQEt— Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) July 31, 2016

  • Laurels and limitations

    On another two minute. DJ White with a pick six off a Murray deflected pass. Caught ball while diving to ground, secured, up & to the house.— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) July 31, 2016

  • Laurels and limitations

    The second team two minute drill. Tyler Bray to Rod Streater for what looked like a 40yd+ TD on a deep ball to the back pylon. #ChiefsCamp— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) July 31, 2016

  • Laurels and limitations

    During two minute drill, Dee Ford had a sack on Smith. #ChiefsCamp— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) July 31, 2016

    • berttheclock

      I really really really hope his tendonitis does not flare up again. He could be a force.

      • Laurels and limitations

        We all hope he does well this year, KC needs him to in the worst way. Especially early on.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Brian Parker had two impressive catches over middle.15yd+ gains on both. Good routes against the backers. #ChiefsCamp— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) July 31, 2016

    • berttheclock

      Funny thing is he did catch passes in college, but, was brought in to the Chiefs as more of a blocker.

      • Laurels and limitations

        Yup, he was, but him being a catcher of thrown balls also increases his value.

    • Brandon Chester

      It’ll be interesting to see how many TE’s Reid would like to carry in 2016. Ross took first time reps yesterday and has earned the title as fan favorite in training camp.

      • Laurels and limitations

        yup, it will. Reid has typically kept 8-10 TEs in camp but only dressed 3-4 on the active 53 if you do not count Winchester. Ross is a long shot so I’m thinking Kelce, Shag, Harris, Parker with Ross going to the practice squad. I do think this is Harris’ last chance to do something, he’s been hanging around a long time and contributed very little.

        • Brandon Chester

          Right the only play anyone can ever remember of his was a catch in a game that was pretty much meaningless because a loss would not of effected the chiefs seeding in the playoffs. Other then that I remember a specific penalty on special teams versus buffalo where he gave them a first down and Buffalo took advantage by marching down the field for a TD.

          Last year he went with 3 TE’s I believe. Shag, Harris and Kelce. I think Ross has a shot if he gets the playing time in preseason and struts his stuff.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Parker was active for 9 games in 2015 according to NFL.com, only one reception though. That’s not to say that Parker cannot make a splash in camp even though most teams already know their 53 man roster minus injuries.

          • Brandon Chester

            I’m not sure but I think that’s when Shag went down. After checking that’s what it looks like. Shag played the first 7 games and parker filled on the last 9. Tho O’Shaughnessy wasnt moved immediately to the IR. They waited a couple of weeks.

          • Laurels and limitations

            sounds right.

    • KCMikeG

      He runs good routes & has good hands so the scouting report calling him a blocker only is wrong.