K.C. (Kinda Consistent) Chiefs: A Box of Chocolates

 

 

 

This week I was watching the game thinking we were maintaining the consistency we had established over the prior six weeks. The team has consistently been inconsistent. Whether it was the offense playing well and then not.  Or, the defense holding the other team out of the end zone in one half and then giving up all kinds of yardage and points in the second half. Or scoring too quickly and scoring all kinds of points the week after we barely hit double digits. It seems we are like a box of chocolates. You never know what you are going to get.

 

 

ASSORTED GIFT BOX: OFFENSE

This week I was happy to see the kind of offense I think suits our personnel groupings. There was a balance of rushing  (33 attempts)  and passing (34 attempts). A nice balance of 7 (I think I counted that many) deep pass attempts out of 34, which is over 20%. Hit 5 different receivers, with 3 of them over 70 yards on the game and an overall average of 13.4 yards per reception. Although the rush was Kareem Hunt heavy, the team averaged 5 yards per carry. The only thing I didn’t like offensively was the 5 of 13 third down conversions. With the average per rush and reception, we should have been able to covert more third downs. This is our offensive identity. Balanced attack with a reasonable percentage of risk. Stretch the defense with our speed and use it for misdirection.

 

After a two week sample size, I would like to officially declare the Nagy offense a success. Yup, that is all we need to see to declare victory. Seriously though, we might be seeing the early returns of Matt Nagy knowing more about what plays will work because he is closer to the players than Andy Reid. It might also be because Nagy is less conservative than Reid. Who knows? Whatever it is, I like it more than the dumpster fires of the five losses with Reid calling the game.

 

 

MIXED NUTS: DEFENSE

For more consistent inconsistency, the defense seemed to play on a completely different script from weeks prior. The guys were tackling, 31 of 39 tackles were solo. There was an aggressiveness that seems to fit the Chiefs identity better than “Bend Don’t Break”. You could see it in the 3 sacks, 5 tackles for a loss, and 9 passes defensed.  That is a total 17 plays that were 0 to negative yards on the play, out of 55 Raider plays (about 31%). On top of that there were 5 more plays where we got a hit on the QB. Those contribute to disrupting timing, accuracy, and in this case lead to an INT. So, while not just a 0 positive yards, it gave us back the ball (although we did give it right back).

 

The defense was producing sacks and turnovers, which we haven’t seen that often recently. It was fun to see Chris Jones and the D Line getting a nice bull rush for a sack and our secondary hauling in some INTs.  Those turnovers are part of being more aggressive with our defensive scheme. They are, obviously, beneficial in taking the ball away from the opposition so they have lower odds of scoring. I think this is the identity Bob Sutton needs to scheme with going forward. We aren’t a sit back and wait for a mistake defense. We are a force a mistake and take advantage defense.

 

SIGNATURE COLLECTION: SPECIAL TEAMS

The Special Teams also contributed this week. Harrison Butker continues to split the uprights, going 4 for 4 with a long of 53 yards. Punt returns don’t really look that stellar from a return yardage perspective, however we should consider what Marquette King has been doing this season. His average yardage per punt, prior to the KC game, was 49.2 yards per punt. In this game he averaged 40.9 yards per punt. That is a drop of 17% per punt. Tyreek Hill on returned 3 of the 7 punts, as King was trying to kick the ball to the moon and not give Hill a chance to return. Despite these attempts, Hill took a couple of close call returns and picked up some yardage. Dustin Colquitt did the same thing he has done for years. He punted the ball 3 times, with 0 returned and 2 dropped inside the 20. His average was only 34.3 yards per return, but he punted from the Oakland 46 twice and the KC 33 once. So, not many yards available for him if he put it into the end zone.

 

The Special Teams unit should be counted on for putting points on the board with field goals, but maybe more importantly creating better field position for the offense because other teams are afraid to kick to Hill. Picking up 9 yards per punt on King is almost a free first down (and he punted 7 times). They provide the field position needed for better offense and defense play calling options. The punting units will typically flip the field.

 

BERTIE BOTTS EVERY FLAVOR: UP NEXT

We have another big game coming up this week versus the Los Angeles Chargers. It is a home game on Saturday night. And most important of all, I will be there with my sons. This is the game we picked to attend, not knowing the implications for the division and playoffs. Win, lose, or tie, it will be an exciting game. Hoping we get some good weather for the tailgate.

 

Late breaking perspective…the Miami Dolphins are playing a very strong game versus the New England Patriots. They are currently up 27-10. I wasn’t expecting the Dolphins to be this good. However, it could be a one game surge against a rival. It could result in an emotional let down game versus a big win. It could be any number of things this week that won’t translate to the game versus the Chiefs. Let’s hope that is the case and hope our coaching staff digs into this tape once the Charger game is over.

 

What units are going to show up for us this week? High scoring offense? Shutdown defense? Big return special teams? We just don’t know. I am really hoping the next 3 games will be consistent with this last one. A victory on Saturday night significantly increases the odds of winning the division. Not a lock, but makes it much more likely.

 

Have you seen more consistency than me? More inconsistency? What team do you think will take the field at Arrowhead? Will the weather be good for tail gating?

 

Until next week, there’s The Rub!

 

 

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Frank Leggio is an operations director living in the Columbus, OH area.He has two sons and a couple of Beagles.He was born in Germany, went to high school in KS and college in CO.
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          ME TOO! Absolutely love the stuff. I had been making my own using Half N Half instead of milk that it called for. Found out it was cheaper to buy the already made than buy the Half N Half. Bought 2 half gallons yesterday, and drank 1 of them last nite. Tossed and turned all nite!

  • berttheclock

    I have mentioned several times about how this upcoming game against the Chargers may well turn out to be the season for the Chiefs. If they do not win the game, they may well not even make the playoffs as a wildcard team. So, how many of those posting here who made out their pre-season predictions on the possible win and loss records of the Chiefs for this season, thought the game against Miami in the penultimate game of the season would be a gimme for the Chiefs? Even though Miami played at home last night and definitely had a home field advantage over the Pats if you happen to check out their respective records for the past 5 years, Miami is becoming a tough team to beat. Cutler is playing far better and with an excellent RB. Drake, who can both run and catch passes, plus, Landry and the very unheralded little man, Jakeem Grant, catching passes and returning with skill and a tougher than thought defense, they are no longer a gimme. Plus, when they come into Arrowhead, they too will be fighting for a possible wildcard slot.

    • berttheclock

      I still wish Dorsey had been able to draft Grant. He would have made a great tandem with Hill.

      • berttheclock

        His TD catch last night was a hi-light.

  • berttheclock

    BTW, Veach and his coaching staff were kicking the tires on the safety, Kelcie McCray, this week. McCray came to the Chiefs in 2014 from Tampa Bay, but, moved on to the Seahawks a year later. He can play on STs, also.

  • ladner morse

    For Christmas and her Birthdays, my father always came through with a long box of “See’s Chocolates. Let’s hope that the Chiefs come through on Saturday. Would be pretty sweet.

    • berttheclock

      When, we visited an aunt and uncle living in the LA area, we always had to buy my aunt some See’s.

  • berttheclock

    My multiple personalities had to vote this AM on our thoughts concerning the KC area scout, Troy Koziol. He was the one who touted McQuay III and Mama to Dorsey. That has been a problem for some of my personalities. However, he, also, was the one who touted D J Alexander last year. So, the vote came down to a 3-2 vote of confidence in him.

    • berttheclock

      Interesting about the background of many scouts. Koziol played TE at Boston College. Veach was a wide out for Delaware. Dorsey was a LB at UConn. All come from different positions throughout NFL scouting.

  • ladner morse
    • berttheclock

      LDT was quoted as saying Nagy and Reid had simplified their system for the game.

      • ladner morse

        Yep. I mentioned that yesterday and I hope that “simplified” theme continues.

        I wonder how many of us here at AO have suggested simplifying the offense for the players before this? To quote Carl Sagan: “Billions and Billions.”

        • berttheclock

          Yes, I believe using the Peoria Caterpillar training manual might be more productive than trying to use “War and Peace”.

          • freshmeat62

            That’s what I want, an o-line that we can nickname ‘The Cats’ as in Caterpillar.

          • berttheclock

            At least twice in recent games, I have really wished that that great O-line from the early aughts might come in to drive the offense in one of their patented taking time off the clock moves down field. But, no, just ended up watching a 3 and out from the present unit and hoping Sutton could bail them out.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Witzmann seemed to have a good game. Probably played LG better than Fulton was.

  • ladner morse
    • berttheclock

      That hit on Carr’s arm resulted in the INT. but, also, in the game, even though Roches was only credited with one tackle, he and some others applied enough pressure on Carr to make him step up and out of the pocket. Carr had been injured last year after being so sharp in passing. He has been hurt this year and any pressure on him is taking its toll. As with most QBs in the NFL, including Alex Smith, they are not as effective when pressured. Too many fans just concentrate on sacks which are great, but, causing a QB to have to move and change his timing can throw them off their game. Plus, pressure can lead to someother defender being able to have a sack.

      • berttheclock

        Also, as I noted yesterday, Jones went at 37 in the 2015 draft and Ragland went at 41. So, having both of them playing with the Chiefs at present has brought two young studs who were former fairly high draft picks. Plus Veach ended up stealing Ragland for a 4th round pick.

        • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

          Ragland was definitely a gamble that is paying off handsomely.

      • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

        I hope to see more of the same against LA

        • berttheclock

          Hey, I see your city jail has a new visitor from Sandy, OR. She was the 24 year old gal who tried to smoke in the Southwest Airline bathroom, plus, she dismantled the smoke detector and fought a flight attendant. In addition, she threatened to kill all of the passengers on board the flight if the planed did not land ASAP. The plane was enroute from Portland to Sacramento.

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            Crazy right?
            Funny what anxiety will make us do…..she claimed all she wanted to do was smoke for her anxiety. She also is claiming temporary insanity for the threats due to anxiety.
            Guess she never heard of xanex…lol

          • berttheclock

            Cue some Mel Brooks crooning “High Anxiety whenever you’re near……………”

    • berttheclock

      One other thing I find interesting about the above is the fact the last time the Chiefs played Oakland, Osemele was out due to an injury. So, this time, even though Feliciano was not available at the other OG position, Osemele not nearly as effective as Raiders’ fans wanted to believe he would be.

  • ladner morse

    As Paul Harvey used to say: “And now, for the rest of the story…”
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    https://youtu.be/kzDQMPjfpZg

    • berttheclock

      There was a time long ago and far away that I used to post at AP. I became dubbed by several of the regulars as being the “Paul Harvey” of trivia. Gave up posting there a couple of years ago when they changed their format and it became harder to post over there.

      • ladner morse

        I once tried signing up to post at AP but was told they’d send me an email to approve my login …and then never received it.

        A few days after I left “AA”… I emailed Joel Thorman to ask him if he was interested in having me write for “AP” but he didn’t return my email for 6 weeks and AO was well on it’s way by then. So, I check in at AP a couple times per week just to see what he’s writing about. I find it quite interesting to see what they consider “news-worthy” and what kinds of info they’re pushing out to the public. Establishing “the” narrative is a bold business and one person’s ceiling is another one’s floor.

        • berttheclock

          They do still get a lot of hits. But, I found when I did post there, many of their regulars were posting from their work sites.

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      True story…..two weeks ago I went to Nevada because my mother-in-law called me and asked if I would help clean out her late husband storage, she is elderly and could not to do it herself. In his storage I found two crates full of live grenades!!!

      • ladner morse

        OMG.

        BTW… what are you giving your friends for Christmas?

      • tm1946

        Very handy for fishing and blowing off body parts…. now give… did you keep them or at least try one?

        • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

          My son-in-law tried to convince me to bring them home, I was too big of a Wuss to take them back over the California border.

          • tm1946

            California, huh! Well according to the internet…. might have been a real market advantage based on activities in SF and some place with bikers and drugs…. might have made a major increase in retirement funds or at least a good run for Governor…joking… I think?

      • berttheclock

        Did you try to emulate the movie version of just pulling the pin with your teeth, ala John Wayne and others? At Fort Lost in the Woods, all I wanted to do was to get rid of the thing ASAP.

        • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

          Haha…. and my mother-in-law was upset with me for not getting rid of them, I tried to tell her if I took them back over the California border they would lock me up in prison for life.
          I called a local who took them away.

          • ladner morse

            Maybe she wanted you to try and take them across the California border. You MUST keep up with your Christmas card writing or some people don’t like it when you neglect them.

          • berttheclock

            Does California still have ag stops near the Arizona Border? I know there is no stop coming in from Nevada. But, for years, the State Agriculture Department would have border checks near the Arizona border.

          • ladner morse

            They still check for fruit I believe.

          • berttheclock

            I refuse to lower my self to adding the word “cakes” to that.

          • ladner morse

            Let’s just hope that Philip Rivers has some fruit-caki-ness left in him. It often seems to surface when he plays the Chiefs.

  • berttheclock

    At our local Costco stores, Lindt Chocolates has been setting up give aways to lure customers. I lined my pockets with several “early Christmas presents”, well, only a bauble here and there of their wrapped balls. Pat had been waiting in the car. For some strange reason, she still expects to find more under the tree in about two weeks. But, she did have a very happy ride home from the store.

    • berttheclock

      Yes, I did end up buying a full box of Lindt for her.

  • ladner morse
    • tm1946

      Timing. We plays em as we gets to em. Seriously, this last win may be what we needed (team not fans). Several guys who have just been there this year were making plays… hopefully will make a difference next Sunday… and so on.

      • ladner morse

        Sutton came up with the right DL linemen mix that’s for sure. BTW, Bennie Logan only got 9 snaps vs the Raiduhs.

        • berttheclock

          I still maintain while Logan is a plus, his best year was with Philly in 2015 when he had Fletcher Cox next to him.

          • ladner morse

            2016?

          • berttheclock

            Nope, it was 2015.

          • berttheclock

            Actually, 2014 was very good, also. 2014 stats are 45 T, 12 assists 2015 was 39 T and 16 assists with 1 sack. in 2016, he played one less game, but, had 16 T and 8 assists, plus, 2.5 sacks. With KC so far, he has 31 Ts, 17 assists and 1.5 sacks.

        • tm1946

          Always looking outside the box – why did it take him so long to find this mix….not like any of them are rookies or him a new coach. Also what if the team steps up the rest of the year – similar – what has been Reid doing during the losses that Nagy is doing differently… Reid is our resident genius, not Nagy.

          • ladner morse

            Reid gave his genius-hat to Nagy as an early Christmas present. Now Reid can’t remember where he left the car keys to this offense (and I believe that’s good thing).

          • tm1946

            Word…. only ever go camping? That fire is not out until all the water is gone and you run out of pee. I speak from experience…. 4th of JUL, underbrush burning from fireworks on the farm…. I love fireworks.

            We will see what Reid gives up.

          • ladner morse

            Then maybe you can work out a deal with Chiefs-Kings-A’s.

            Oh. Not those kinds of fireworks?

          • tm1946

            Just the legal ones…. although there is a store just north of St Joe that I am on a first name business with …. handgrenades…. hmmmm…. no, have a daughter in law from MN a bit of a flaming liberal…maybe one?

          • berttheclock

            Once in West Germany, I saw a couple of short timers throw a M-80 under a jeep. Lifted the sucker off the cobble stones of the Kaserne. Of course, there were absolutely no witnesses. Even remember one of them yelling “Short”. We, once, had a CO who stopped any one from even carrying a short timer stick.

          • tm1946

            Over a year in Vietnam and never saw a grenade in over 15 months… of course why would I, combat support – not INF.

            Now claymores…. very impressive.

          • Chiefly Bacon

            Sutton basically did the same thing with the DL that he was doing to start the year. Two DL, instead of 3 and rotate them frequently. The reason he stopped doing that was because Chiefs were getting torched in the run game. With the development of Ragland and KPL, Sutton feels comfortable going back to the 2 DL looks. Also, Chiefs offense had enough of a lead to keep Raiders from running the ball much.

        • Ron Widman

          I saw that and I wonder if it was scheming by Sutton or because of injury (he was listed as LP in practice). I didnt notice how often we only had 2 lineman which seems to be when Logan rotates out. It certainly seemed to work against the raiders. Not sure if he will return next year but where do the chiefs get another NT. Maybe Poe will be available, haha.

  • ladner morse

    I was really high on Howard coming out of Baylor last year. Would have loved seeing him line up across from Peters. He was taken in the 2nd round in 2016. Oh well… I’ll settle for Chris Jones. 🙂
    .
    https://twitter.com/MattHarmon_BYB/status/940445694552182784

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      Last weeks Chris Jones for sure anyway.

      • I love the bull rush, pinball sack. That was pure dominance of our Line.

    • berttheclock

      Laddie, sort of funny after doing so much homework on pre-draft “Mocks” to see those players you really thought would fit with the Chiefs doing well with other teams, eh?

      • ladner morse

        Funny… or Tragic.

  • ladner morse
  • ladner morse

    Ragland is your land, Ragland is my land,
    From California, To the New York island,
    From the redwood forest, To the Gulf stream waters,
    Ragland is made for you and me.
    .
    https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/940064079493849088

    • berttheclock

      Hey, some Woody Guthrie credit, eh? If only the Chiefs could continue playing like this, you might be able to reprise his “This train is bound for glory, this train……….”

      • ladner morse

        Heard my older brother playing that song as I was growing up… the very reason I learned to play guitar … and … become a writer. Wow. What a memory!

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      He keeps this up and he will have to change his name to Rageland.

    • so my abiding question is: 2018 — we have found our MIKE. What about DJ? I don’t think he fully recovered for 2017 play. Will he finish out his contract? If not, who/where do we get the WILL. I thought Ramik W was going to be able to take that over but he is not getting snaps, KPL is getting time. Wilson did well with DJ out and he fits the WILL and has the intelligence. Just pointing…. Then it’s on to OLB??? Houston and ???? But that’s future stuff, in’t it?

  • berttheclock

    Last week, I was at our local VA for a stab lab appointment for an INR. A fellow came in wearing a Chiefs jacket. Also, he was retired infantry. Talked to him. He had gone to a couple of games at Muni before he had to ship out to Viet Nam.

    • berttheclock

      BTW, we had to talk kind of low, as a very tough looking vet was sitting across the room wearing his Raiders’ gear.

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      Living in Raiderland and wearing my Chiefs garb regularly, I’ve been pleasantly surprised that I have never been stabbed.

  • berttheclock

    Sort of some ironic news projections being floated by pundits, that the Bills, who received KC’s 1st round 2018 pick last year may use it in conjunction with the Bills 2019 1st round pick to try to move up to be in the Top Five of the upcoming 2018 draft. The reason is so they could draft a QBOTF. Many pundits are predicting the upcoming draft is going to be similar to the less than star studded class of 2013. Now, several QBs will be taken by nervous GMs with some other quality in the 1st round, but, mostly depth types in the 2nd and 3rd tier of the draft.

    It will be interesting to read Ransom’s first Mock for the draft.

  • PaulFromNorthMo

    Consistently inconsistent is a good description for this years team. I hope you have a good time at the game Frank and here’s hoping you get to see a victory for our Chiefs.

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      So many people were saying the Raiders were going to win last week and the Chiefs were done, I’m glad the Chiefs decided to say “hold my beer”

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        Unfortunately they have backed themselves into a corner. The Raiders game and this Chargers game are must wins.
        Now here is a question, do we start Peters?

        • Ron Widman

          Boy that is a tough question. I hope the suspension opened Peter’s eyes to see that he is not above the team. Maybe EB can get him focused and disciplined. That being said, MP is very immature so he could easily pout and stink up the joint. He still has terrific talent and I personally think he will come out with a vengeance on Saturday. I sure hope I am right because we need him to bring his A+ game.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I hope you’re right also. In a small sample size, Peters hasn’t had good luck against Allen and the DBs played good against the Raiders without him, but I agree, we need the good Peters without the theatrics.

          • I don’t think he is that type of guy. I think he will be thinking people are against him. He did nothing wrong. He will be a victim. He needs to mature.

          • Ron Widman

            I know, I know I am trying to be optimistic so dont burst my bubble,haha.

        • Chiefly Bacon

          I think you start Peters, but you put him on a short leash. If he’s getting toasted, or losing his cool, sit him down.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Very, very short leash. Peters is at a make-or-break point in his career- He’ll either see the error in his ways and grow from it or he’ll implode. Even if he continues to be a jerk he’ll have a good career I think, but it won’t be GREAT career unless he grows the hell up.

          • well, the same could be said for Gronk, or Kelce. etc.

          • Laurels and limitations

            yes, yes it could- but I would stop well short of clumping players into a caste. Each player is either his best or worst enemy in any situation, they are…individuals after all. I always think of Randy Moss/Terrel Owens and DJ56 in situations like this (and yes I realize I am grouping, lol). Both of the listed WRs had good careers, well above average in fact, but imagine what their respective careers might have amounted to if they had only been able to get out of their own heads a la DJ56.

          • good points —

            so: For DJ? Do you think he can return and play above this down year for his finale? And then, has he had a HoF career?

          • Laurels and limitations

            Soooo many great ILBs in there….it’s hard for them to crack the HOF without a title or two, imho. Do I think DJ deserves a spot? I dunno, I just dunno.

            I also have zero idea if DJ56 can return to what he was, he’s 34 yrs. old after all but I sure hope he does. After Priest, DJ is my favorite Chief.

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            At 53 years old…..I have a hard time considering anyone who is 34 past their prime….lol
            I understand a football life is a different ballgame….no pun intended.
            At 34 I was still feeling prime-ish!

          • Laurels and limitations

            Haha, when I got out of the service I was at the ripe age of 28 yrs. old. I didn’t feel old, I didn’t act old, and I sure as hell didn’t THINK I was old. Thing was, I was fast, like real fast and then I met a kid who was just as fast as I was at 18, except that he WAS 18 and well, I was old, lol.

          • I think he a solid pick. Goes beyond 6 or 7 years of play, but being a team leader as well. My view anyway.

          • I am not familiar enough with Gronk’s antics, but Kelce is definitely close. I don’t know how many times I got ticked off with his showboating costing the team. From him being more interested in getting up to dance, and losing the ball, to losing his cool and getting ejected. He keeps costing the team. I love the fire, but how is getting ejected helping. How is making a catch but turning it over helping?

          • did you see his presser? He was suspended for the altogether outrageous hit on White. Only got 1 game. But he has juvenile stuff as well. Kelce has settle a lot since game 4 was it where he was cameo’d and jawing back, thought the foul was on him, and he was getting booted. Last year? The flag? Peters mimicked that. Peters also was disciplined for yelling at a coach. They are similar. Right now? Kelce is keeping a pretty cool head.

          • I think he is too self absorbed. He needs a nut kick to realize it is time to decide if he is about the team or himself. He can play with fire and not lose his cool and/or cost his team.

          • Berry, Houston, DJ. All 3.

          • Laurels and limitations

            I actually believe he needs an interjector between himself and Marshawn Lynch. You know, someone to sit on his side and remind Peters that “listen, deep down Lynch might be a decent guy, but he’s a dumbass”.

        • conundrum: With Peters, they have a shutdown corner on one side. Without him, they had 2 others manning the outside. Now, they were aggressive and good and except for the last 9 minutes of the game, the secondary was very good. With Peters, they will focus on throwing to the other side, which we have seen, worked time and again. Without Peters, the secondary stepped up, or, throwing to both sides of the field meant something, ie, it didn’t work as well.

          One thing is, Peters is indeed a shutdown corner, youth, emotions and temperment aside. (He doesn’t tackle well in run support, yes I know).

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I hesitate calling Peters a “shutdown” corner. Mostly because I really don’t believe there is such a thing anymore, not with the way the rules favor the offense, but also I don’t believe he has the top end speed to run with the fastest WRs. What he does possess, is excellent hands and excellent ball tracking skills, allowing him to adjust to passes even quicker than the receivers he is guarding.

          • If Speed were all there was to it? Bob Hayes would have been the best receiver, perhaps of all time, well at least for the 60’s decade anyway. That is not the case.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Yeah, honestly, Peters does have trouble with the speedy receivers. The fast guys don’t allow him to sit on routes like he likes to do. They already be gone.

          • I thought Peters was shutdown. I don’t see that these days. It may be the play call. It may be him playing off a little further on his own, maybe trying to bait the QB. It may be many things, but I think his attitude and personality are involved.

          • they still don’t throw at his side. That tells the storyy. I agree with him backing off and baiting the pass. It cost them a TD v the Raiders. He is still a shutdown corner.

        • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

          I wonder if Peters would play the left side well, Mitchell seem to do pretty good on the right side .

          • Laurels and limitations

            Peters HAS lined up across the field a few times.

          • Doesn’t he play the left side already?

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            Yeah I’m sorry, I was referring from the offenses view.

        • My thought would be he is active, but rides the pine. Maybe have him cover kicks. The defense played pretty well this week. I liked the aggressiveness. I saw some tackling. I saw some fire in control. I saw d backs focused on their team and winning the game, not making some political statement.

          I would reward the hard play and good results from the guys that stepped up. I would not reward the selfish and less than the best effort play of Peters. At this point, he would need to earn a start through practice.

    • Laurels and limitations

      Yup, I’m not sure which Chief’s team is the consistent one. 5-0 start looked pretty consistent, but then so did losing almost every game up until the Raider’s game last weekend (yeah, if Denver would have had any QB besides Semien I think KC loses that game also). HAS Kc learned the error in their ways and turned the page to a new chapter of the season? I hope so, but I also have zero idea. This last game vs. Oakland might be just as much of an outlier as the NE game week one.

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        Yep, the frustrating, maddening, pull your hair out, life and times of being a Chiefs fan. I don’t think one single Chiefs fan will ever believe we will win a Super Bowl until about 5 weeks “after” we have won one.

        • Even then, we will be waiting for the commissioner to decide we shouldn’t have won and award the victory to the other team.

          • Laurels and limitations

            haha!!

      • maybe. They played very aggressively until Sutton shifted back the last 9 minutes. Why did he go away from what was working? Sheesh. The offense should have had two additional TDs, sans dropped balls.

        • Laurels and limitations

          That’s a good question but it is the exact same question I ask every single time I see a team run the prevent in any case. I mean, the team running the prevent is obviously winning, and they more than likely didn’t run prevent the entire game, so why do they go away from what was working, ever?

          • it works to the extent that it did Sunday. But I question it’s use at all. The defense worked very well and even if they used their normal defense, what makes any DC or HC think shifting out of what worked to prevent will yield anything but allowing the other team to close that gap easily, score quickly and have a shot at a comeback. Makes no sense to me. I think back to Rams Teams back in the 60s that lost big games going to prevent.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Just a thought, but maybe the “prevent defense” is media driven. If a team is “assured” a win, the prevent allows the other team to creep back into the game, at least on the score board, thereby giving the illusion that it is a much closer game than it actually is. I could see the big wigs of the media thinking this would, if not increase, at least hold viewership.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Hey now, I have an entire roll of tin-foil, we can make lots of hats!!

          • wow. L&L has th foil. But what if it’s all a conspiracy, the aliens have landed and the foil won’t work?

          • I fully agree. I can understand not playing an overly aggressive defense in terms of risky defensive calls. I don’t understand the play back and let a team works its way down the field. The Dallas Hill Mary play being the extreme example. They were holding us, but then thought it best to rush 3 and put 8 back on the 10-15 yard line. Why?

        • As the saying goes, if it isn’t broken, fix it.

      • Even in the 5-0 start, we didn’t seem to have a consistency. It wasn’t like we ran up the score every week or held the other teams to low scores. We won, but seemed to do it in different ways each week.

    • I have faith we can win this one. Rivers seems to have the ability to pull out a defeat against us, if nothing else.

  • Ron Widman

    Nothing better than a divisional game especially this important and with your sons. I took my son to his first game at Arrowhead to see chiefs beat the raiders on a last second FG years ago. Great memories for sure. Hope you all have a great memory and as always GOOOOO CHIIIEEEFFFFS!!!

    • Thanks. I think this is the 7th year we have done this. The prior 6 years, I only took one son. They were younger, so it was easier to travel with one and it gave them some one on one time. This year, I wanted more of a guys weekend. So, off we go. We are all looking forward to it.

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  • Chiefly Bacon

    Sutton went back to two DL looks, but it didn’t kill the Chiefs in the run game, because the offense got so far ahead the Raiders couldn’t run the ball. This is Chiefs winning formula. Get the lead, rotate the DL and bring the heat.

  • PaulFromNorthMo

    Not that it means a whole lot, but the combined record of the teams the Chargers have beaten is 31-60.

  • berttheclock

    Next week, the Chiefs may face a very talented runner and pass catcher out of the backfield in Kenyan Drake, the RB from Alabama. Could Dorsey have selected him? Well, no as he went just one pick before Dorsey took that incredible talent, Kei’Varae Russell from Notre Dame.

  • Laurels and limitations

    The only winning teams the Chargers have beaten are the Bills (led by Peterman) and the Cowboys (didn't have Elliott, starting LT, or Sean Lee).They've lost to every playoff caliber team they've faced. The real question is whether or not KC is a playoff caliber team.— Gary McKenzie (@Super_G_Chiefs) December 12, 2017

  • PaulFromNorthMo

    I wonder, if the Jets move to a different head coach, would Todd Bowles make a good DC for the Chiefs?

    • Laurels and limitations

      Man, that would be awesome, I loved what Bowles did in Arizona.

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        So we just need to convince Reid to put Sutton out to pasture and move on to better things!

        • Laurels and limitations

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  • Laurels and limitations

    not trying to rub salt in a wound here CKAs, but here’s your guy…..

    The top graded HBs this week pic.twitter.com/PbZzknQvg0— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) December 12, 2017

  • Laurels and limitations

    Patriots are finalizing a deal with former Browns WR Kenny Britt, per @FieldYates. Deal expected to be done shortly.— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 12, 2017

  • Laurels and limitations

    man. can’t believe Peters didn’t make the cut…Bwahahahaha!!!!

    The highest graded CBs in Week 14🚫✈️ pic.twitter.com/io0jJJi21G— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) December 12, 2017

  • Laurels and limitations

    This would have more than likely been a sack for a loss of yards if that was Smith in the backfield. Maybe, maaaayyybe a short gain but never a throw downfield.

    Russell Wilson: still magic pic.twitter.com/5o5z63HT4T— Ben Baldwin (@guga31bb) December 13, 2017

  • Laurels and limitations

    Report: 2018 salary cap projects somewhere between $174.2 million and $178.1 million https://t.co/8syDM3KEhP— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) December 13, 2017

  • Laurels and limitations

    Wow, it’s not like we actually believed that the Colts could be any more screwed up…but VIOLA, here we are!!!

    An under-reported story: Andrew Luck has been MIA from the Colts since it was announced he was placed on IR. Not at facility. Not working with the QBs. Not rehabbing with team doctors. Simply not around.— Brad Wells (@BradWellsNFL) December 11, 2017

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