NFL: Chiefs Give Mac the Knife… Uh, the Axe

 

 

The Kansas City Chiefs have released their #1 wide receiver, Jeremy Maclin. Head Coach Andy Reid released this statement, from the mothership:

 

“These decisions are never easy, especially with a player like Jeremy who I’ve grown close with on and off the football field over the years. I have a lot of respect for the way he goes about his business and how he handles himself as a professional. I wish him the best of luck moving forward.” ~Andy Reid

 

 

 

 

 

 

Parting with Jeremy Maclin may be seen as a cap move but Maclin also had a down season in 2016 so his departure could be signaling more than that.

 

 

 

When WR Demarcus Robinson came to the Chiefs a year ago as a 4th round pick, some thought that if not for his off-field issues (three drug test faliures) then he was a first or second round talent. Reid found a place on specail teams for him to essentially give him a trial run and now it appears the door is wide open for him to grab a starting position. Robinson came out of college with an excellent ability to create yards after the catch. His performance as a gunner on speacial teams (one of the players pslit wide who must make a move to escape double-coverage blockers and be the first to get down field and set an edge forcing the punt returner inside) allows the Chiefs to consider moving him up the depth chart ladder. If not for Robinson, this release of Jeremy Maclin may not have been possible.

 

 

 

Last offseason I projected 6-foot-3 inch WR Chris Conley for a breakout season. That never materialized but his successes revealed a WR who has plenty of untapped talent. The question now is, will Tyreek Hil or Chris Conley take over the role of #1 WR?

 

 

 

One point of view worth considering is… the postseason evaluation that JARD — John-Andy-Reid-Dorsey — did revealed that they may be planning for the future… more than they are leading on. With the exception of third-round pick, RB Kareem Hunt, I’m unsure of any draft pick this year getting starting minutes in 2017. First-round gem, QB Patrick Mahomes, will most likely run the scout offense (the job of playing the way the competition plays in the coming week). Second-round pick Tanoh Kpassnagnon may get rotatoion minutes on the defensive line and  Jhu Chesson, a fourth-round pick, will likely be realigated to special teams and take over Robinson’s role. Fifth-round linebacker Ukeme Eligwe has future written all over his resume.

 

 

 

Maclin’s stats have been pedestrian when you average in his poor 2016 numbers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can be sure that 60 yards per game is not what Andy Reid and John Dorsey thought they were getting when they signed Jeremy Maclin two years ago and essentially replaced #1WR Dwayne Bowe with JMac. However, Reid’s West Coast version doesn’t really call for a #1WR who gains 1,000 plus yards each year. From the time Terrell Owens left the Philadelphia in 2004 until Reid’s last season there in 2012, the Eagles have only had 4 wide receivers who had more than 1,000 yards in a single season. 

 

 

 

By parting ways with the 6-foot-0 Maclin, if the Chiefs move Chris Conley into the #1WR spot, it may be a move to taller targets for QB Alex Smith (and eventually Patrick Mahomes). While the height of the WRs is certainly not the number one reason for the Maclin move, it was reported just a week ago that the extra height of the WRs that the Chiefs had in camp could be a sign of things to come as Patrick Mahomes begins to take over… with the idea that he will be provided some larger wideout targets who can go up and get the ball because he’s more of a downfield threat as a passer.

 

 

 

There’s a risk-reward analysis that must be a part of this decision. Jeremy Maclin has had three great games in a Chiefs uniform and all of them were in 2015: 160 receiving yards vs Buffalo, 148 yards vs Cincinnatti, and 141 yards vs Green Bay. Those three games were the only games in which he had more than 100 yards receiving and he offered little in the way of production in the Chiefs playoff games — 80 total yards in three games — when big players are supposed to step up and make big plays. What we thought Jeremy Maclin would be… a game changer — he was not. My friend over at ArrowheadAddict probably typifies the release of Jeremy Maclin best:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A wider base of Chiefs fans will be sad to see Malcin go because he’s a bit of a local product having gone to Kirkwood High School in Kirkwood, Missouri in the St. Louis area then starred for the University of Missouri in Columbia.

 

 

 

Some cap numbers to know:

 

 

  • K.C. had $3.5M cap space prior to the release of JMac
  • Because his release came after June 1, they save $10M
  • Mac will create $2.4M in Dead Monei in 2017
  • $4.8M in Dead Money in 2018
  • K.C. is still $0.638M over projected cap for 2018.

 

 

 

The biggest question I have about this move is a financial one. When more money is needed becasue a team is up against the cap, like many other decisions, it becomes an either/or situtation. So, I’d like to know what the “either/or” was? Was it either Maclin or Colquitt? Colquitt would save $4.9M and $0.8M in Dead Money. Was it either Maclin or Jah Reid? JReid costs $3.56M in 2017 and $1.55 in Dead Money. Who exactly was their other choice? When viewing this decision through those glasses, its’ hard to see why Maclin would be the Tasters Choice. I guess I better go get my cup of morning  “covfefe”… I think the lack of caffeine is having an affect on my brain.

 

 

 

 

In case you don’t live in the Kansas City area and didn’t get a chance to watch the local news, here’s a report from KCTV-5:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • Andy

    Well Laddie, not sure what to make of this. Sheer numbers (cap & return on money) say this was a good decision. But…this cut didn’t seem like it was something that was considered in the early off season, since we didn’t address a higher wr pick in the draft. Now we are dangerously thin at wr. We added another set of questions by cutting Maclin.
    As you know, I’m a Dorsey supporter. So far this off season, I have not seen a plan that increases our chances of going further in the playoffs. Our draft was all about next year and beyond. So far, I’m not getting it.
    Dorsey sure has some gonads. Letting Houston and Sean Smith walk…Cutting Charles, Howard and Maclin… So far it has worked out. We shall see.

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      Or maybe it’s just the opposite, cutting JMac has been considered all off-season, but we needed to wait until OTA’s to see how Hill and Robinson were going to look this year. By all accounts Robinson has looked very good, and although the media is more concerned about who is not at OTA’s and not really asking football questions, I assume Hill and Conley are looking ok as well. Also, I’ve read that Escobar is looking good, so maybe JARD needed these assurances before cutting Maclin.

      • Andy

        I can’t see basing this type of decision on a few non contact sessions. Additionally, this puts is an injury away from Albert Wilson starting…Really?
        I like Robinson, if he can learn how to catch the ball with his hands instead of his body…

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          I would agree if we were talking about first year players, but Hill and Robinson are coming into their second season. Maybe all the coaches needed to see was a certain amount of off-season progress.
          Robinson was a special teams ace last year but as I recall, he didn’t see a single snap on offense. So if we pencil in Robinson for Maclin, nothing else has changed.

          • Andy

            Maclin required D to account for him.
            Robinson is a second year player on paper. In shorts, players can do quite well. When the pads come on, can he fight off physical CBs.?
            Imperative for the timing routes we run. Conley couldn’t do it his first year. How about the quantity and quality of his route tree and route running?
            Of course, I’m not even talking about any injury to the wr corps. Instead of going to camp with a solid wr group, it is now one with questions.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Moving on from Maclin does indeed leave a lot of questions at the WR position plan, but the fact still remains that he did not live up to his contract with on-the-field production. I think Maclin is being forced to shoulder some of the blame for other players here, but it is what it is. Houston had better watch out.

  • freshmeat62

    Once again it’s ‘the chicken or the egg’. Was it because AS11 didn’t go to him enough or was it JMac not getting open? I thought JMac was the best receiver the Chiefs have had in years. I didn’t think that when he originally signed. I remember some critical drops when at MU, but he made some pretty good catches w/ the Chiefs, so my opinion of him changed.

    I think his release is the product of 2 things:
    1. AS11 was too quick to take off running, not keeping his eyes downfield, and thus he missed seeing receivers get open late.
    2. JMac probably wasn’t in the Chiefs future beyond this year because of salary, and the quality of their young receivers in Hill, Conley, and Robinson. More reps, more touches for the young guys.

    To me this is just another example of this year being written off, and everything pointing to 2018 and beyond. Just hope I’m still around when ‘wait till next year’ becomes ‘this year’!

  • berttheclock

    On The Job training has been around for years. Largely, it is a form of directional training whereby one person passes on the knowledge of performing tasks to a new comer. It is heavily used in the US Army, but, I was thrown into such a situation and never even had the benefit of training by another to help me learn. Just had to hit running.

    The reason I mention this is I believe when John Dorsey was named GM of the Chiefs, he had received scouting skills from both Ron Wolfe and Ted Thompson, but, he never received any guidance on how to conduct proper salary negotiations. With no one to help him in KC after being named the new GM, he had to hit running and he ended up stumbling badly. To the point, he awarded costly contracts to players which have put the Chiefs in a Salary Cap bind

    Contrast his work and overall winning ways to that of Bill Belichick, who has been able to win the Super Bowl, yet, have a great deal of room in Cap Space. Belichick has out drafted Dorsey, out done Dorsey in picking up free agents and has proven to be a master in contract deals which have allowed the Pats to have so much Cap Space. Go to Spot Trac and compare the current salary cap space of the Pats and the Chiefs, plus, look at the difference in dead money. Across the board, the Pats are in far superior condition to the Chiefs and that is due to the expertise of Belichick and the lack of business acumen of John Dorsey.

    • Laurels and limitations

      it also has to do with the building block of the team being more than willing to take pay cuts in order to keep the salary cap in a team-friendly order. BB is good, but it is the BB/TB connection that has kept them as contenders both on the field and in the books all these years.

  • berttheclock

    Having height as a wide out has become crucial in the NFL. That is why the Steelers management continues to use the rack to try to stretch out the five ten Antonio Brown, so, he would be able to jump higher to catch the long passes of Big Ben.

    BTW, what some writer may call a gem of the recent draft in Mahomes II, could be considered by others to be more of Fools’ Gold.

    • Laurels and limitations

      the first part was funny about Brown….the second part is just old shtick.

      • berttheclock

        Sometimes, the old “shtick” is the best. Be very careful when out prospecting in those yonder hills.

        • Laurels and limitations

          the hills have been bled dry, but decades of over prospecting.

          • berttheclock

            Any number of true gems await the 2018 NFL draft, especially, at the QB position.

          • Laurels and limitations

            heresay, this is the same thing we hear every single year…”just wait until next year” and all this noise usually comes from the pundits who are probably still mad that all of the insightful mock drafts were not even remotely close to coming to fruition.

          • berttheclock

            Very few said that about the 2017 QB crop. In fact, most noted it was one of the weakest crops in years.

          • Laurels and limitations

            and they said the exact same thing about the Marriota class in 2015 along with Jameis Winston, and those two steadily move up the ranking boards every year.

          • Chiefly Bacon

            They said that leading up to it, but not the year before. Anything can happen in a year. Bray, Kaya and Kelly were all once projected to be first round picks.

  • freshmeat62

    To me, w/ this year being written off, I wonder how safe Colquitt is. His looks like the next logical cut to save significant money this year. Others like Hali (1.25), Wilson (1.8), Harris (1.35), and Bray (1.3) (per OTC) might get them thru this year.

    I don’t think there will be a cap problem next year as it will be ‘target rich’ for cap causalities…Smith, DJ, Ford, Hali, Reid will save significant money if cut. Even Houston’s salary is getting in the area if he isn’t able to perform.

    • berttheclock

      I am beginning to feel this coming decade has been written off.

      • freshmeat62

        I felt like you after the draft, pretty much down. But I’ve convinced myself (again…after all I’ve had 47 years of practice) that the Chiefs will be stronger than ever in 2018. I’ve come to the conclusion, right or wrong, that JARD has no faith in AS11 being able to win a SB.

        What you mention below about Dorsey not handling the Salary Cap well is true, but I think next year, what w/ all the young players on the team, and so many older ones that can be cut w/ huge savings, Dorsey has a chance to get the Cap under control. I don’t know who his Cap specialist is, but they need to sit down and have a heart to heart.

        • berttheclock

          I have absolutely no faith in either Mahomes II and Andy Reid ever winning a Lombardi. Andy Reid reminds me of too many other head coaches in sports who can rack up many regular season wins, but, lacks the talent to be able to take it to the very top and win. So, defenders of such only keep talking about the high winning percentage. Michael Jordan realized early on that the regular season wins were only pre-lims and the true talent prevailed in post season play. If you look at eh record of George Allen with both the Rams and the Redskins, yes, he had a great regular season record, but, was very much a loser in Prime Time. Andy Reid is such. He tends to disappear in Prime Time.

          • Chiefly Bacon

            Not true. Reid reached at least the conference championship with the Eagles five years. It may not be the Super Bowl (which he did make once and a lot of coaches never do that), but it still requires winning a lot in the playoffs.

          • berttheclock

            Reid has a regular season record of .602, but, a post season record of only .478. He is 11 wins, 12 losses in the post season. His only time in the SB was when, he had a tremendous defensive co-ord.

          • Laurels and limitations

            meh, stats like this can be deceiving. Check this article out..
            http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/nfl-5-winningest-coaches-in-postseason-history.html/?a=viewall

          • berttheclock

            Two major reasons I keep bringing up the difference between regular season games and the post season come down to my time spent in LA when George Allen coached the LA Rams and the time spent in Seattle when George Karl coached the Supersonics. Lots of regular season wins and both coaches had their fans who harped on such. But, then, look at the play off records and you will find both coaches faded in Prime Time.

          • Laurels and limitations

            yeah, and Reid definitely has his warts….playoff losses are a major one of them but like Paul likes to often state “first you have to MAKE the playoffs”.

          • berttheclock

            or as the late Al Davis used to say, “First you build your team to win your division”. Dorsey did not build his team to win this coming year. The GMs of both the Chargers and the Raiders did such and KC will be chasing both teams in 2017.

          • Laurels and limitations

            you don’t know that, KC romped the rest of the West last season and has been steadily handing S.D. and Oakland losses since Reid came to town.

          • berttheclock

            Well aware, but, I try to live in the moment and I believe JARD changed the course of the Chiefs in this past draft and, now, the Chiefs will be looking far more at trying to win 7 games than they could have had Dorsey had a much more focused draft. Wait until the injuries stack up in the defensive backfield and neither Kevin King nor the talented DB from LSU who was taken at 27 by the Bills is not available. Do you really think Mahomes II will be forced to play DB?

          • Laurels and limitations

            KC is steep in the Secondary, I’m not sure where this ‘they need help there’ meme is coming from. Is it just because Dorsey shopped smart and filled out the majority of the Secondary positions without spending high in FA or drafting high consecutively? The Legion of Boom was assemble the exact same way and they flourished. A starter goes down the Secondary and it truly is ‘next man up’, hell…it’s the Secondary that substitutes for other positions in times of need.

          • berttheclock

            Nope. Last year, the secondary of the Seahawks suffered when they lost both of their starting safeties. They had to use back ups and one player was really exposed. Without the needed safety help coming over to aid him, Richard Sherman was no longer an island. He had a very bad year which led to his outbursts. Just being somewhat deep in backup is not the same as being able to plug in starting quality. More and more comments are coming from outside observers of the present Chiefs who firmly believe this one area of the Chiefs may well prove to become a flaw.

          • berttheclock

            Without Thomas and Chancellor, the “Legion of Boom” did not exist.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Four years ago, Dorsey and Reid’s first year, all the pundits were saying how the NFC East was such a powerhouse division and were projecting the Chiefs to lose all four of those games. Funny how it didn’t quite turn out that way after the games were actually played.

          • Laurels and limitations

            yup, the pundits are still pretty upset that the coaches don’t listen to them.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            And we’ve had plenty of that same stuff here in Missouri with Marty and Dick.

          • freshmeat62

            I’ve wondered about Don Shula. Was he really the GOAT that many claim? He had, who I consider, one of the 5 greatest QB’s of all time w/ Marino, but yet was only able to get to 1 SB w/ him. I’ve always wondered what Marty would have been able to do w/ Marino?

            The thing is that JARD must really like this kid to invest so much in drafting him. They have the eye to see things that I don’t. The last few years we, including you, have been pretty much Dorsey backers. He has built a pretty solid team over all. Yeah AS11 can be questioned, but the Chiefs were desperate for a QB 4 years ago, and Smith was pretty much all that was available out there, so they committed to him. He did an adequate job, not great, but better than anything Cassel, Palko, etc. would do. Smith’s tenure is about up. As has been pointed out Mahomes has some mechanical issues, but also has one hell of an arm, and even w/ those issues, he’s pretty accurate. I do expect a lot more interceptions from him than we saw from Smith, but I also expect a lot more exciting TD’s. Actually throwing into the endzone instead of 5 yards behind and ‘hope’ the receiver can power his way 5 yards.

            If Mahomes doesn’t come thru, say within 3 years, then JD will be looking for another job, and AR can retire.

        • Chiefly Bacon

          FWIW they fired their salary cap guy this year.

          • freshmeat62

            See, problem solved! SB in ’18!

  • berttheclock

    Loved the recent discussion between Joel T of AP and a blog writer for Texas Tech concerning Mahomes II. In that discussion, two points stood out. First, the observation that Mahomes II has very poor mechanics in his footwork and has been using the same for years and it may well be hard for him to try to correct such errors. But, the second point made was the point about there being far more talent at QB which will come out of next year’s draft. Had Mahomes II waited until next year, he could have faced far stiffer competition to land a prime spot in the draft.

    As noted, also, Mahomes II had a far better shot at making a roster in major league baseball and becoming a star, but, for whatever reason, he decided to spurn going into MLB and wanted to play football instead.

    • Laurels and limitations

      Terry Bradshaw, Dan Marino, Brett Favre, Joe Montana all had bad mechanics…Phillip Rivers still does. If the QB is getting to ball to where it needs to go then his mechanics are just fine. Reid has already stated as much in an interview that you don’t necessarily mess with mechanics as you just coach. In Fact Brett Favre stated as much also when he was talking about Reid.

      • berttheclock

        Stanzi had terrible foot mechanic problems, but, he may well try to resurface in the CFL. There are mechanical problems which do not affect the throwing and accuracy as much as do not being able to move one’s feet properly.

        • Laurels and limitations

          this is true.

  • Chiefly Bacon

    Chiefs made the right call. This is actually a very good sign. People often lament how the Chiefs aren’t the Patriots (as if anybody is). This is a Patriots type move. Cut a good player early rather than wait till he’s totally washed up. Maclin is older, injury prone and coming off his worst year. Chiefs cleared 10m in cap space in one fell swoop, and with Smith at QB, it really doesn’t change things that much.

    • berttheclock

      No. Belichick would have found a trade partner. By cutting Maclin at this point, Dorsey has thrown away any future picks.

      • Chiefly Bacon

        Chiefs tried to find a trade partner. Nobody was interested. Maybe that’s a further indication that cutting Maclin was the right call. Bellichek has let some good players go over the years, even without trades.

        • Laurels and limitations

          “Mike Garafalo of NFL Network reported the Chiefs dangled Maclin’s name in trade talks before the move, but never asked him to take a pay cut.”
          This is rather telling.

          • Merlin

            It is, they must think he is done.

        • Heilios

          Absolutely. If Dorsey were to have orchestrated a trade it would have been great but it is pretty telling that no one was interested in trading for him.

          • berttheclock

            What is telling is the fact he is coming off a mediocre year and he suffered an injury. Add his high salary and that would make any GM back off him and await the day when his agent will lower his salary demands.

      • Laurels and limitations

        there is still comp. picks to consider if/when Maclin signs with another team.

        • Chiefly Bacon

          Nope, that’s only for players who hit FA, not cuts.

          • Laurels and limitations

            well poop.

          • berttheclock

            Yes, indeedee do, Dorsey has somehow found how to morph into becoming a Scott Pioli. Remember when Pioli cut Pollard without trying to trade for him?

          • Laurels and limitations

            The same Pioli who gave the farm for Matt Cassel? Hardly that Bert.

          • berttheclock

            Pioli made a ton of mistakes, but, not trying to obtain a draft pick for Pollard was a very poor move. Pollard was picked up quickly and he could have brought value.

            Dorsey is still light years ahead of Pioli in his ability to recognize talent, especially, in the lower rounds (although the DB from USC is still very much in question as he can not tackle). But, just one other point about Pioii, remember he picked both Ricky Stanzi and Gabe Miller and left Richard Sherman on the board.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Pollard was a bad scheme fit the new defense, that was the impetus for his being made jettison.

          • ladner morse

            Dorsey did dangle Maclin as trade bait to other teams but no-one wanted him. So, what does that tell you? It indicates this this was a right move. Not a wrong move.

          • berttheclock

            It was very much a move of a once great GM who has come under the influence of a highly over rated head coach. I’ll stick with the opinions of Seth Keysor on this one. Dorsey blew it.

          • Laurels and limitations

            hehe, imagine that..sticking with the opinion that mirrors your own. I would too bub, I would too.

          • ladner morse

            I’ll stick with the opinion of Jon Gruen on this one.

          • larry mckinney

            I’d like to buy a “D” please. Not to award it to JAR…D.

          • jimfromkcj

            Laddie, sorry to disagree, but just another sign of bad management. they let him play until he had no value left. Houston is another example. I suggested they trade him for picks after he had the big season and before they made him the highest paid LB in the league. If they had done that we would have got some prime picks and would not be setting in cap hell.

        • freshmeat62

          I don’t think so.

          • Laurels and limitations

            yeah, I was already corrected.

      • larry mckinney

        Bert, Bert, Bert. You’re getting carried away. You make your legitimate points, but the spittle isn’t putting a shine to them.

        Belichick would find a trade partner for an aged, overpaid, often injured, underperforming WR? A great portion of Belichick’s genius is found in Brady’s continued restructuring of his salary deals. Brady kicks the earnings down the road. When he, and Belichick, retire, those chicks will come home to roost. And lay eggs.

      • Unless it was something physical that wasn’t known til now

    • Laurels and limitations

      same thing I was thinking last night when Mrs. Ls and I were discussing the transition.

      • drwillez37

        Yes you hit the nail on the head..this proves where we are heading as a franchise. Don’t keep dead weight because fans like him. Popularity doesn’t win championships

  • berttheclock

    Great thread over at AP by Seth Keysor, aka MnChiefsfan. He well notes the failure of Dorsey to address the Dead Money problem and this recent cut has only made the situation worse.

    • larry mckinney

      In this instance, more dead money = cap space with which to sign your draft picks. Carrying dead money is a problem. Not being able to sign Mahomes, Kpassagnon, Hunt and Chesson would be much, much worse. That’s how it is.

  • Laurels and limitations

    Soak it in haters, lol

    Spotted at the Royals game last night … pic.twitter.com/djP4CD5E32— Arrowhead Pride (@ArrowheadPride) June 3, 2017

  • Laurels and limitations

    lolz,

    Jeremy Maclin, on being cut by KC: "Maybe now I can go play for a team with a QB that doesn't consider a "deep bomb" to be a 4 yard pass."— NOTSportsCenter (@NOTSportsCenter) June 2, 2017

    • freshmeat62

      Ohhhh ouch!

    • ladner morse

      Ouch. Maybe Mac had said that in a team meeting which is the real reason he was cut? Also, Mac knew Andy’s offense was this way because he played for him in Philly. So, why complain now? It can only be taken as a direct jab at Alex Smith.

      • Laurels and limitations

        I’m betting it’s just a fake quote. Still funny though.

        • ladner morse

          Right… doesn’t sound like Mac at all.

          • Laurels and limitations

            nope, that dude thinks before he speaks. He’s cerebral in the same manner as Alex Smith is and maybe that is part of the reason for his release. Maybe Reid was looking for less thinking and more doing.

        • larry mckinney

          Of course its phony. MacLin has way more class than that.

      • berttheclock

        So? This form has become a regular “direct jab at Alex Smith”, so, what is the difference. However, it is Andy Reid who calls the plays, not Alex Smith.

  • Laurels and limitations

    and this is a very probable scenario.

    What if the money from Alex Smith isn't coming as soon as we think? What if we've got two more years? Maybe that's where Maclin $ comes in.— Arrowhead Addict (@ArrowheadAddict) June 3, 2017

  • berttheclock

    One song which will never be heard around the KC Chiefs, this coming year is “We are fam-i-ly”.

    • Laurels and limitations

      I’ll take that wager.

  • ladner morse

    Here’s the Chiefs answer at WR…….
    .

    Albert Wilson is the must-own Chiefs wide receiver no one is talking about in dynasty leagues.https://t.co/uOOAzNhE8h pic.twitter.com/EuMoA0ldTp— RotoUnderworld (@rotounderworld) June 3, 2017

    • berttheclock

      Ah yes, the beloved Teachers’ Pet.

    • Laurels and limitations
      • Laurels and limitations

        AAAAAAaaand, it was my boi DR making sure AW made it safe into the endzone.

        • berttheclock

          I still recall sitting in Dee’s Bar telling everyone how I had cut him, but, somehow, he never got the message. Same with Harris. Cut him several times, as well.

          • Laurels and limitations

            They NEVER listen to me about cutting Harris. I’m actually very surprised that Harris is still on the team after his dope charges. He wasn’t at Sonic when they got him was he? a la Bowe.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Keep working on it Bert, sooner or later you’ll get rid of both for us.

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        You’re correct, more Wilson on special teams, less on offense! lol

        • Laurels and limitations

          hehe.

    • berttheclock

      In some ways, Wilson reminds me of a Lt Col I worked under in Germany. I used to believe he had tapes of higher ups stashed away in some secured vault. He was promoted when I worked with him and I was astounded such a “Major Disaster” could have become a Light Col.

      • Laurels and limitations

        lol, some of the biggest numskulls I ever saw were Colonels and such…I called them dodo birds.

        • berttheclock

          This Lt Col’s gig line used to remind me of 29 miles of bad roads. Lots of zigs and zags.

  • berttheclock

    Seth Keysor brought up another very good point about Maclin with the Chiefs. Maclin became a mentor to the younger wide outs and helped them during the off season in developing their craft. Solid influence in the locker room, even after suffering an injury last year which really cut into his production.

    • ladner morse

      For me, a great part of any players value is his desire to be with that team. Mac had it… more than JC… who professed to dreaming of playing for Denver.

  • Heilios

    Just so everyone knows, Dwayne Bowe is still available as a free agent.😀

    • ladner morse

      No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.No. No.

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        One up vote for each no!

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      You have no idea how close you just came to getting my first ever down vote! lol

      • ladner morse

        They disabled the down vote didn’t they.

        • Heilios

          Wow. Just wow. I offer a perfectly good answer to all of our problems and I have my head ripped off! Bowe would step in and have a 2000 yard season easy!

          Of course you know I’m being sarcastic. I love pushing peoples buttons! Mwahaha!

          • ladner morse

            One must appreciate the fact that “bowe” does rhyme with “show” which is very catchy… otherwise I’m not sure what else he’d have to offer. 🙂

          • berttheclock

            I really believe he was misused his last couple of years in the pros. I felt after leaving the Browns, he could have helped the Chiefs by being used more in the slot. He was very tough after the catch.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            I’ll bet you own Harris and Wilson jersey’s.

      • Heilios

        Never used it? Not even against some of the trolls at AA?

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          I come from a large family, ignoring what others say is easy for me.

  • Laurels and limitations

    welp, off to finish my yard work after I ran out of daylight yesterday. Two things:
    1) when you are twittering and submit a derogatory statement about Denver, it gets pretty funny.
    2) is it just me or is it more fun on these blogs when not everyone agrees but can still keep it civil?

    Have a good day, Gentlemen.

    • ladner morse

      Have a good one!

    • berttheclock

      Laddie tries his best to keep me on a very short leash.

      • berttheclock

        That does remind me that I must try to get a re-up on my distemper shots at the VA, ASAP.

        • ladner morse

          hehe……. Re-“leash” the hounds!!!!

  • freshmeat62

    I think Laddie might have touched on it below, but who is the new #1 receiver? I’ve read all of the comments I believe, and I don’t think anyone has said.

    Could it possibly be, drum roll please, and for many pass the Tums, Albert Wilson?

    And w/ that I shall take my morning walk. Later!

  • berttheclock

    Hey Laddie, I know you don’t really have a great deal of time on your hands at present, but, have you seen any of the “Death in Paradise” series on DVD? It is a series (6 years at present) set on a fictional island named Saint-Marie in the Caribbean. Actually, the film is shot at a village on the NW coast of Guadalupe. It concerns the activities of the local police force which is led by an inspector from England. Excellent cast and a great use of British acting talent, although the main cast is made up of actors from the Caribbean areas, plus, France and Portugal. Has a bit of Poirrot in the way the Chief Inspector solves cases. There have been two different actors playing the role of the Chief Inspector. First actor, Ben Miller, wanted to head back to the British Isles as he was much more involved in comedy. His replacement is really good.

    The series has proven to be a bonanza for local tourism as many Brits love to come to the village and check out the local bar and building which was supposed to be the police station.

    Perhaps, when, you are settled in KC Land, you might well try it.

    • ladner morse

      Thanks for the tip. Am making my way through Game of Thrones… just started two weeks ago but will have to finish that in KC as well as time is scarce right now…. still prepping the house for sale. At least school’s out forever.

      • Laurels and limitations
        • PaulfromnorthMO

          That came through a little blurry, was that Alice or Ladner? 🙂

          • Merlin

            Laddie, wow has he aged since starting this blog. I think we need to stage an intervention for him.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            I agree, we need to save up for a haircut also.

          • Laurels and limitations

            we!? Hell, he’s making those big retired teacher monies now.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            true, how bout a French haircut, oui?

          • Laurels and limitations

            I doubt Laddie shaves his legs

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Maybe not, but isn’t it the French that shave neither their legs nor their pits?

          • Laurels and limitations

            Dunno, I’m not French.

          • je suis je nais comprende pas et lang la france. spelling errors and all…

          • Laurels and limitations

            si

          • Laurels and limitations

            be had to grow up sometime,ya know!?

          • Laurels and limitations

            Laddie, duh!.

      • ah, they lost me with the dragons. I was interested til then.

    • tm1946

      Quite good but the first leads changed players.

  • berttheclock

    It would be interesting to note the number of picks over the past 3 seasons by Dorsey which had been rated highly when coming out of high school. In the recent SB, the Pats and Falcons combined with having 3 players who had 5 star ratings coming out of HS, 5 with 4 stars, but, 53 percent of the players were at least 3 star players.

    Green Bay, the past 3 years, have averaged 3.25 stars out of 5 star ratings for their top picks. Kevin King, taken in the second round this year, was a 3 star recruit coming out of HS. With the Chiefs, this past draft, Mahomes II was a 3 star coming out of a Texas HS. I have not researched the other years. Needless, to say, players can improve as they develop. Aaron Rodgers was only a 3 star when, he went to Butte Community College from HS.

    • berttheclock

      I happened upon the above while checking out the Green Bay fan blog, “Acme Packing Company”.

    • ladner morse

      Maybe the NFL should go to drafting kids out of high school. BTW… Aaron Rodgers was a 3-star high school player… and he’s doing okay right now, right?

      • ladner morse

        Came across info that says Rodgers was a no-star recruit. hmmm

        • ladner morse

          2-Star Recruits
          Russell Wilson
          JJ Watt
          Le’Veon Bell
          Khalil Mack

  • ladner morse

    Thank you for showing me the way. Leading by example. Opening your home and spending the time… https://t.co/hcvV4nAjKd— Chris Conley (@_flight17_) June 3, 2017

    • berttheclock

      Whenever one has the capacity to make others around him become better, that speaks volumes.

      • I believe Jeremy Maclin is a class guy and a very good teacher. Whatever happened to him in 2016, showed on the field and in the numbers. Money talks in the end.

  • ladner morse

    I'll be appearing on @SportsRadio810 with @jbbrisco around 1:15 today to talk about Maclin if anyone is interested.— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) June 3, 2017

    • tm1946

      How did it go? Wish I could have listened, but had a charity golf tournament, then pontooning with HS age granddaughters, the the boat ran out of gas…. to tired to do more than hide.

    • missed it. I was down in Arkansas fly-fishing.

  • Laurels and limitations

    I remember this young buck. (Brandon Flowers) pic.twitter.com/kGJ6N0XjWT— Larry Johnson (@2LarryJohnson7) June 3, 2017

    • Laurels and limitations

      remember back when a lot of us were worried about KC letting Flowers loose? well, the Secondary did suffer for a bit but they recovered nicely. It was all about money then also.

      • I think it was money for what he offered the defense set and he wasn’t a match for that. He is flourising where he is at his best… not a bump and run guy, not a match up corner and that is what was needed.

    • Laurels and limitations
  • ladner morse

    Solid interview from @NealJoneskctv5 w/ Alex Smith. Smith honest as always"Part of me, I wish I could have played better for him." #Chiefs pic.twitter.com/kDMdKPgGxa— Andrew Carter (@Andrew__Carter) June 3, 2017

  • freshmeat62

    I’ve been reading stories at other sites AP, AA, others and 1 thing caught my attention as to why they cut Maclin now. I even saw it mentioned in this thread earlier, and that is that they might want to free up money to sign Dee Ford to a long term contract. If that happens Dorsey has lost me forever. It’s bad enough that they signed off on that bum’s option year. There is nothing redeemable if they make that move…absolutely freaking nothing!

    • tm1946

      Along with Al Wilson and Harris the TE, management/ coaches see something we are missing. Time will tell, maybe some of the “just guys” will step up, maybe the 2017 draft will play lights out, maybe Alex Smith will pass like Brady (not sure to who but ….). Give it time, what else can any of us do?

  • Roswell Incident

    I don’t see it as an either or. I feel like the way AR runs his offense, it doesn’t make sense to have that high paid of a WR, especially when we’re so tight against the cap. So, for this team, I think a punter that wins field possession and a versatile OL is worth more than a WR when we have kids with potential who the coaching staff clearly feels can step up. I think Maclin can still produce for some team, just not worth it on this team right now.

    • tm1946

      Really, a punter or an OL is more important than a WR —- just how many TD’s with they provide. Maybe we can operate a single wing and just run from one end of the field to the other…. the NFL is a passing league, has been for recent years and you score points to win.

      Maclin is not part of this discussion but to justify dumping him in favor of a punter or an OL is ……

      • Roswell Incident

        You have watched the Chiefs offense, right?

    • i see this: Money means something. Money performance talks, the rest is bull shit and we let the bullshit slip away into the ocean of bullshit where it belongs. Sorry JMac. That’s the way it is and as long as Dorsey is making those calls I cannot fault him.

      Maclin didn’t perform. There is something wrong and he is gone. This has it’s advantages. We have been drafting these players to perform and I am absolutely sure that Conley and Hill both will receive well over the 580 yards JMac turned in in 2016.

      We have a stellar TE also, that is going to eat up well over 580 yards and I am using that number because of what JMac did in 2016. More than this; Robinson is familiar with the Playbook, the offense and the team … and he has turned it well up to full burn in the OTAs. I think among the 4 WRs, Wilson is going to work himself into the odd man out. As long as the other players use their talent and physical ability and don’t do dumb things. 4 is enough and we can mix and match even with Wilson getting “Reid’s” favored son snaps.

      • Roswell Incident

        I’m really looking forward to seeing what Conley can do. Conley had good chemistry with Foles; maybe without JMac, he can develop that with AS11, too.

  • jimfromkcj

    Can’t help but rebut some allegations of some on here who suggest that Reid and Dorsey had no other choices when they traded two second round picks for Alex Smith. I recall the suggestion I made at the time that I thought it would have made a better choice to trade Albert to the dolphins for Matt Moore and a later round pick or possibly a higher pick in a future draft. After all, they had drafted their franchise choice for future in 2012 and Moore was probably available. I considered Moore just a notch below Smith and we would have got value for Albert and would have those 2 second round picks to bolster the off line or any other position of need. Those lack of second round picks affected both years drafts and how we went about them.

  • I like the image for the article. … year one to year two and gone. I am very comfortable with Hill, Conley, Robinson. Good for my view. Wilson? eh, not so much.

  • Stan Colbert

    Interesting point about Colquit. They do have a FA kicker I believe.