NFL Trade Deadline Thread — DREAM TRADE HICTHIN’ POST

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NFL Trade Deadline Thread — DREAM TRADE HITCHIN’ POST

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With the NFL Trade Deadline 4 short days away on November 1st, it’s time to… dream up that trade… fix your team… let the mules outta the barn (I don’t actually know what that means, I just thought it sounded right). So, here, we can all make our own suggestions about possible trades, if any, that the Kansas City Chiefs general manager COULD make to improve the team for the rest of 2016 and/or moving forward. In other words, you can trade for a ringer (usually refers to a horse or player brought in under false pretenses as far as identity is concerned) but not really a ringer, just someone who is designed to only help out the remainder of this season (Dorsey has brought in a number of guys on one year deals) or you can suggest a solid trade for a playmaker who might re-sign a longer term deal with the team but a player who obviously makes them stronger right away.

 

In recent days, LT Joe Staley has come up but most fans have shot that idea down. CB Joe Haden was also suggested. Yesterday, the outstandingly humorous blogger who goes by “Laurels and Limitations” made this pitch: “Minnesota!? I love it, KC can trade for Eric Kendricks and finally get him just like they should have in the draft two years ago.” No matter how glorious it would have been to get Kendricks (because I was high on him too) it would have required the Chiefs moving up 5 slots in the second round AND consequently missing out on Mitch Morse (and you should never pass on a Morse) or trading down out of the first round and then missing out on the Greek God of Mt. INT… Marcus Peters (and we can all see what folly that would have turned out to be). From the World Wide Web of Twitterville comes this from Jason LaCanfora about a trade Tampa is wanting to make:

 

 

I know that the possible Joe Haden trade has been suggested before but not in a way that makes sense of his salary or the Chiefs salary cap situation but with that said, here’s one I kind of like from scout.com:

 

Joe Haden Trade

“Trade 2017 1st round pick to Cleveland for Joe Haden.  Why I make this deal?  He would fulfill our #1 need right now.  He is also under contract until 2020 with around 10 million per year in salary.  That is cheap for a player like him, he would command 13-15 mil per on the open market.”

 

Here’s an outrageous one about Odell Beckham Jr. called: “NFL Rumors: Odell Beckham Jr. trade coming with his attitude problem” but I don’t place much stock in that one and I’m not interested in seeing a ranting mess come to K.C. no matter how great his hands are.

 

Here’s a trade suggestion from ESPN by Adam “Obviously-Bored-Out-Of-My-Wits” Teicher who says the Chiefs could trade none other than,

 

Nick Foles Trade

“The Chiefs aren’t looking to part with Foles, but his experience would be valuable to a contending team that needs an upgrade or injury replacement at quarterback. Alex Smith has been remarkably durable in his three-plus seasons as the Chiefs’ quarterback; he has missed just one game because of injury. The Chiefs already dealt their most expendable player, running back Knile Davis, to the Packers. — Adam Teicher”

 

It’s Murphy’s Law and anything that can go wrong… like losing Alex Smith for multiple games… probably will go wrong so while Foles might bring something valuable to a possible trade partner, I’m not onboard here. Then again, if the offer includes a second round pick or better… who am I to judge?

 

It looks like the San Francisco 49ers are willing to throw Torrey Smith in for any trade partner interested in another player or by himself as I understand it. Of course, the big STICKING point with T. Smith is the five-year, $40 million contract he got from the 49ers in March of 2015. Pass.

 

Then, there’s always the Leave-Land-Browns. However, the kicker here is that, “Joe Thomas hopes Browns stick to their word about not trading him” in the face of rumors that they were trying to trade him. I can completely understand why Thomas would say that… uhh… no, I can’t but, he did. Go figure… I hope you’re good with Math and reasoning skills because why on planet earth would he say that?

 

Here’s another possible Chiefs trade from a scout.com blogger:

 

Sheldon Richardson Trade

“Trade 2017 2nd round pick to Jets for Sheldon Richardson.  He is being majorly misused in NY and they have so many other holes.  They have do move him before next year as they don’t want to extend him and can’t risk an injury or off the field issue.  With Allen Bailey out Chris Jones will step in and be a big upgrade but Sheldon Richardson is a major upgrade over Jaye Howard and Dontari Poe.  Having Sheldon Richardson, Jaye Howard and Chris Jones as our starting DL next year would be flat out amazing. We would still have 8 picks in the draft in 2017 to continue to build depth on this roster.  These two moves would give us a championship level defense IMO.”

 

 

So, let me get this party started by suggesting the following Chiefs trade of:

 

De’Anthony Thomas Trade

De’Anthony Thomas still has some trade value to the right trade partner. Specifically, I’m referring to Chip Kelly in San Francisco. It’s been my belief that DAT was not on the active roster in the first weeks of this season to, 1) keep him on the roster because John Dorsey recognizes his still has trade value and 2) because DAT could get hurt if he does play. While coach Andy Reid has maintained that DAT was not activated because he wasn’t the right player for the right opponent, I say there’s been more to it than that.

 

Now, down to my trade proposal: trade DAT for a low round pick. That’s the best scenario I can see for Thomas at the moment. When he gets in games he appears too much of a lightweight to be taken seriously or get consistent production. Let me reiterate that DAT has my favorite highlights of any player I’ve ever seen coming out of college. However, if he’s not traded now, the only value he has in a trade is likely lost. So, if John Dorsey can make a trade like that happen in the next four days, he will. Otherwise, I suspect we will see DAT walking at year’s end and in which case we’ll receive no compensation.

 

There’s a piece that just came out yesterday by CBS Sports called, “Agents Take: Ten bold deals that need to happen at the trade deadline” and what may be of interest to Chiefs fans is the mention of the Bengals CB Darqueze Dennard. While Dennard sits 4th on their CB depth chart you have to consider that a strength of the Bengals is their Defensive Backfield. Come on John, I know you and Andy love those DBs with mad potential… and you must have some cards up your sleeve that Bengals GM Mike Brown would “Go Fish” for. Right?

 

Now, I know my trade suggestion wasn’t very “dreamy,” so let’s hear a juicy one!. Hit me with your best shot. Fire away!

 

 

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  • Laurels and limitations

    Hehe, I still would have taken a jump to go get a Kendricks, even over a Morse (yes I understand that I am infatuated with ILBs) and I would have been more than happy to throw in a 98, 173, 217, or a 273 to do so. The good news is that my guy RW is back in the mix and while he will never be another DJ, he is definitely serviceable.

    • berttheclock

      Hey, quick question for you. When Houston comes off the PUP list, Dorsey will have to remove one player from the roster. I trust it will not be RW. Any thoughts?

      • berttheclock

        Speaking of Kendricks, he is part of the renaming UCLA as Linebacker U. Then, came Myles Jack. This year it looks as though their best LB is the junior Kenny Young, who may not come out early. But, if you peruse just the 2017 Mock by Walter Football, you will notice the latter part of the first round next May will be linebackers. Such as Carroll Phillips, DE/OLB from Illinois, Jarrad Davis, ILB of Florida, Reuben Foster, ILB Alabama, Zach Cunningham, LB Venderbilt and a bit lower is Raekwon McMillan, LB from Ohio State. Dorsey could wait for the next draft to rebuild his linebacking corps.

        • ladner morse

          Well you’re certainly right that Dorsey needs to rebuild the linebacking corp.

          • he has to do so. right now we do not have Mauga(standard ILB Fare, Mike). We have DJ(wonderful player, FHoF type). Ramik Wilson’s re-emergence is telling. JML and the fascination is probably ended. DJ will retire in a year or two. That means we need an ILB pretty sorely. I wanted Kendricks too. Didn’t happen. I can see a trade for this if that were a possibility. I doubt any reality exists(ie, like a house falling on the witch of an ex, spooky old Alice, leaving the ruby slippers to Dorsey). Even with Kenricks, we would be drafting ILBs in 2017 because DJ really is going to retire one day. Which takes us tot he OLBs. Hali will retire. Houston is out. We have an exposure(Ford). To be sure, Ford has been a presence now and then. Maybe the constant play will see him truly come to terms with playing in the NFL. Maybe he is not the “thinking man’s” ILB and that is what is lacking.

            Whatever it is, we are still exposed at both positions. White’s surgery means he is out. Acker and Murray will have more time as will Sorensen. Still overall, the “for cryin’ out loud” refrain reverberates. The defense has been more than decent so let’s take a deep breath and see what JD brings to the table afore Nov 1 is come and gone.

          • drwillez37

            I miss Mauga!!!!

          • ladner morse

            Ditto!

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        I am beginning to think that was the reason for signing Sio Moore. Keep him inactive until Houston returns and then cut him.

        • Laurels and limitations

          agree with this, Moore is gone once Houston is made active.

      • ladner morse

        My 2 cents on who Dorsey might… or might not cut: not a linebacker especially an ILB. Because if Houston reinsures his knee then Dorsey would be up a proverbial creek.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          You might be right Laddie, but if we have one on the roster that never dresses for a game, have we really lost anything?

      • Laurels and limitations

        RW is safe, I’m thinking that Dorsey gave a huge sigh of relief when he was able to give Sutton back Ramik. It might not be the popular opinion but I have always like RW in there moreso than JML. But back to the question at hand, when Houston comes back it will more than likely be Moore or maybe even Acker.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          I agree that RW is better than JML. We might get to see Acker this week on D, but he may be nothing more than emergency reserve as a CB. I did see him in on ST’s Sunday.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Acker was never going to be a starter, starters are not simply allowed to walk away from their teams for no reason like Acker was. I have to believe that he was just more insurance via sheer numbers that Dorsey used this last go-around to shore up the position.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Yep, but with White out, if Gaines can’t go the whole game, Acker might be the next man up. Especially in dime sets, and you know how Sutton likes the dime.

          • Laurels and limitations

            scary thought, downright scary.

    • no body saw Morse. I think the Chiefs would still have been able to acquire him. Morse was a local find that other teams would not have pulled the trigger on(my belief).

      • Laurels and limitations

        I agree there, I think Morse could have been grabbed an entire round later.

  • berttheclock

    Hmmm, obtaining Dennard would help KeiVarae Russell move up the depth chart with Cincy, eh? BTW, when Dennard went to the Bengals, he had to wait behind older vets in their defensive backfield, but, he became an excellent gunner on STs combined with Krepatrick. In fact, it was this move which moved their STs ahead of Toub’s for being able to keep the ball inside the 20. However, word from Cincy is Pacman Jones may be on the fade, so, Cincy may not like this move.

  • berttheclock

    I have absolutely no idea where Laddie got it into his head to write this thread. However, the majority of the teams in the mix put up by pundits to make trades are basing their trades on the need to put them over the top heading into the long stretch run. So, should the Chiefs join the mix, it would really come down to what position does Dorsey need to shore up for the run. Sheldon Richardson would make a ton of sense. However, so would Haden and the Chiefs really do need more defensive backfield depth, especially, with the gimpy knee of Gaines. Therefore, this will really come down to a much needed need for the long haul and not just some temporary fix. I do not see where trying to trade for older offensive linemen is really where that need happens to be at the moment. I see it at LB, defensive line and defensive backfield.

    • ladner morse

      “I have absolutely no idea where Laddie got it into his head to write this thread.” ??? Did God speak life into existence… or did life speak of God, and he was?

      And a happy existentialistic good morning to you too!

      • Jesus came to teach presence for salvation(The kingdom of God is before you and you do not see it). Gautama came to teach suffering and the cessation of suffering by finding Presence. Huh.

  • berttheclock

    When Chip Kelly was with the Eagles, he had the first chance to snag DAT in the draft. But, he opted to take the other Oregon wide out, Huff, who is bigger than DAT. For whatever reason, Kelly had little success with Huff. However, since Kelly left, Huff has hit his college stride and he was the fellow with the very long KO return last Sunday for the Eagles. I really doubt if Kelly wants DAT in the short time he has left in the Bay before he heads back north to attempt to salvage NIke U.

    • ladner morse

      Would agree on both counts. We know when DAT will be walking from K.C. but when do you think C.K. will be returning to the nest?

  • PaulfromnorthMO

    If I were going to make a trade in these next few days, it would have to be for pass rush help. OLB still seems to be our weakest position with the least depth. Hali isn’t what he was and never will be again. Even if Houston returns to 100% and Ford continues to improve enough to be decent, we have nothing behind them. Maybe work out a trade with Arizona for Jones.

    • berttheclock

      Hmmm, Arians may be heard saying “From these cold dead hands…………” He claims that Jones has truly changed the front line of the Cardinals into a force.

      • PaulfromnorthMO

        Laddie didn’t say it had to be realistic. If not Chandler Jones how about Markus Golden? Golden might be better anyway as he plays mostly ROLB. Golden did have a good game against the Seahawks the other night. After Sunday night, Arians might listen to an even up trade for Santos.

        • berttheclock

          Pat and I have a very good friend who is a 12th Man type, but, a decent one. I kidded her about training her small dog, Cooper, to kick FGs. Funny thing about that tie is Seattle made out because they had the one game lead going into the game and Arizona has fallen a half back of that. However, as to the trade scenarios, look for Seattle to attempt to beef up their offensive line, as well, as adding a new wide out.

          • berttheclock

            But, did you see where Belichick decided to give up a low pick to be able to add Kyle Van Noy to his depth at LB? Van Noy was a fairly high draft pick who has never lived up to expectations. In making this trade by throwing in a 7th, BB was able to add both Van Noy and receive a 6th as well.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Offensive line struggles seems to be a problem for a lot of teams. I wonder if that has to do with practice time rules or if defenses are just improving at a faster rate.

          • Laurels and limitations

            I have read several articles in regards to defenses and offenses at the NFL level and many of them often state how defenses have the edge over the offenses so the league is attempting to implement rules to balance it all out. Throw in that many defensive schemes transfer directly to the NFL level but that MOST offensive schemes do not, and therein lies most of the problem, imho.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Yep, offensive linemen not only have to re-learn how to block, but then add in schemes, there is a large learning curve. I think the old adage that OL are the safest pick in the draft may be by the wayside.

          • Laurels and limitations

            yup, I hafta agree there also. I was looking at some numbers last night as to NFL longevity and lineman are not at the top of the pecking order any longer. Here is something I gleaned also, almost straight across the board players have a 2-3 year window of being the most productive 25-27 years old….it would add some reason as to why Dorsey wanted Foles as a back-up (beyond his one year of good production as a starter) but it adds zero credence as to Foles becoming the long term starter…thank goodness.

          • Laurels and limitations

            edited…somewhat.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            This QBOTF thing is becoming even more of a quandary. It sure doesn’t seem to me that Bray has anyone’s confidence, at least anyone that has an actual say in the matter. Paying Foles even the reported minimum 6 mil next year to back up AS is ridiculous and paying him even more to be our “starter” even more so. So back to the guessing board for us.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Check this graph out, it comes straight from pro-football-reference numbers, and I love me some PFR

            here’s a link to the entire article also, pretty entertaining piece.

            http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1683775-when-does-age-catch-up-to-nfl-players

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/82192af8e216a007208a6a9b8a9730d71742ed2338119c3410c6544ce6f59948.png

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            I just saw this and haven’t read the article yet, but looks like prime production is through years 7-10. Thanks for the link.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Man, that was a long winded article, the ADD was kicking in by the end. Kinda seems that basically if a player is good enough to play well for the first 5 years, then he is good enough for another 5. Not really too many surprises as far as top end play relative to age and experience. But I’m sure you noticed that QB play didn’t really drop until after age 35, so we should get three more good years from AS11, lol.

          • Laurels and limitations

            not sure if it was this article or another one that I was reading, but it was talking of how long it requires to develop a QB, right at 4 years is the golden number. That’s when it kicked in, in my thick skull, Reid could have gone with a rookie QB and developed him in the same amount of time that it has taken Alex 2.0 to arrive. To boot, that Qb would be around 25-26 years old, be in his absolute prime (according to this chart) and still have 10 years of production left……buuuuuuut nooooooooooo, KC had to go rehash at QB again, lol.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Yeah, that pretty much is saying we need our future on the team no later than next spring, and last year would have been better. The other bad part is, I’m not seeing a QB out there that another team would give up that is worth a retread.

          • Laurels and limitations

            thank goodness there are no more retreads available, the thought alone makes me want to throw up a little, lol. I still think Dorsey was going after a QB last draft but played, by players and managers being difficult in re-signing, retirement, and oh yeah, moving up in the draft and taking my guy.

          • Al Smith, 2013-15 is the 5th ranked QB in the NFL WP-wise during this time frame. Careerwise, he is the 10th ranked(all active QBs). Exactly what is it that you think you can get to get rid of AS/11 out of all the top QBs. Eliminate the top 6(ie, using career numbers). Then use the next six. None of those players fit Reid’s offense. Dorsey and Reid went after Al Smith for a reason. You want to go with un-provens and see if they are “star quality in actuality” or not? Yeah, there are guys I like. Wentz for example, or Bortles last year. Etc. But the Chiefs think tank went a different direction.

            So who are the top tier of “elites”? Brady(about out of the NFL), Rodgers, Rothlisberger, and Rivers, then who? Russell and Cam? The last 2 are probably untouchables so that is 6. The next six: Romo, Manning, Dalton, Ryan, Flacco, Smith. Now if most of these guys are untouchable, and AS/11 falls at #5 WP wise since 2013(100 points higher than his career number at .571), then he is in good company. Other stats rank him about 10th or so. Young guys? THere was no shot at the top 3 QBs in 2016. Wentz was next. There was a guy to go after. I think Mariotta was untouchable by the Chiefs but Bortles was possible.

            I just can’t see that the right opportunity was out there, especially when the picked AS/11, the Chiefs have had 3 winning seasons and two Post season appearances, 4 inches from the next level at Indy and 1 win/1 loss in 2015.

          • Laurels and limitations

            that is exactly the mentality that has held the Chiefs in check for 50 years. “but wait, so-and-so is available and they are soooooo much more better goodererer than any draft pick”- I can’t remember who said that but it’s a quote I tell ya! When I was younger my first street bike was a moto guzzi, I loved that bike, all 500CCs of it, and I did everything I could to make it as fast as possible. I sunk every dime I could into that thing just to get blown off the line by a stock Harley one day, and it wasn’t even close I tell ya. Turns out, that as comfortable as I was on that bike, there were better performing things out there, just like there are better performing QBs than Alex out there. While KC has been sinking every dime they could into Smith, they could have purchased a newer, shinier, faster QB from the word go.
            Btw, I am totally against throwing pure stats out there as stats can be manipulated so easily to either way in a debate. I think it was Keyser from AP that showed just last evening how QB stats can be misused as Bortles finished the game with decent stats, but anyone watching the game knows he played bad, way bad, just wtf? bad.
            One last thing….. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/262df64b60c94ccbd68420fe59432a8e5457bd577bce46885408e01d4a51d905.jpg

          • I did not state not to get the QB. I am stating there is no potential trade that is possible for an elite QB. Further, there is likely no chance that that top guys is going to be available when the Chiefs make their pick at 28, 29, 30, 31, 32. A trade up would thus be in order. There is no mentality set that I present which should be attributed to me. DIscussion during the draft was to go further than Dorsey went to get Lynch. I stayed off the topic of Wentz but though gee, we could take him . 2016, the JMac Deal fubared a lot. And now, I could not even begin to state who it was that I would go after. Stats are stats. Work feverishly, give the executive the numbers and go to his presentation and watch helplessly as he grossly misuses them. Yeah, I know. Last nite I wrote both Seth and Ryan about the W-L percentage topic(seldom addressed when dealing with numbers). How to factor in what that means to figuring who the “elite” are is what I was discussing with them.

            Next suggestion? Buy a Rocket III. Stock bike blows all competition away. Period.

          • Laurels and limitations

            He, I ride a Harley now, ever since my first one I cannot give them up, and it’s plenty fast enough for my old bones, lol.

          • due to hearing loss, I would have to get “real” mufflers…. and that’s what I have now. Previous bike was BMW R90-6. That is my preferred bike by far of all that I have owned. Never a HD though.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Yeah, I’ve had several…my moto, a Honda, a Suzuki even….once I went standard I never turned the page. Wrenching is half the fun for me though…I wrench, I am teaching my son how to wrench finally and even the grandkids try to help. But I agree, Hogs are loud, as can be attested by the constant ringing in my right ear, lol.

          • No guessing. Foles is #2. Bray and Hogan have no trust and I have no faith that either is the man. Drafting a QB late in the order–say, somewhere beyond 26 is what we want to see, makes me believe that there will not be a QBOF in the draft for the Chiefs unless they use their #1 pick coupled with two more to get the right guy. I would say that ain’t happenin’. 2017: Al Smith and Foles.

        • ladner morse

          Realistic? Naw… in fact the wilder the better in my book. More fun to consider.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            So how about Foles and Santos for Golden and a 5th. We’ll let Colquitt kick off and just go for 2 on every PAT the rest of the year.

  • berttheclock

    Denver may have really had a reach in their trade with the Pats for a new TE. A J Derby, from both Iowa and Arkansas, was a 6th round pick by the Pats, but, he made their roster and moved up to 3rd in the depth chart. He caught no passes for NE, but, Denver decided they needed to beef up their under producing TE position by giving BB a 5th for him. In college, he only caught 42 passes for 208 yards, a figure broken down to 5.0 per yards at one college and 4.9 per yards at the other one.

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      Well, if Denver keeps trading for and signing players to “improve” their team like that one and signing Donald Stephenson, who are we to argue.

      • ladner morse

        Where’s Micah when you need him?

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          Probably keeping the Denver faithful well informed on how good DS is. But do we really need him?

          • Laurels and limitations

            Micah was certainly set in one direction as to his line of thinking, but more often than not he made me laugh.

          • PaulfromnorthMO

            Wasn’t Micah the big Geno Smith advocate? That guy sure hasn’t quite turned out.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Micah was game for anyone that KC could draft and develop, but yes, Micah was all about Geno.

          • berttheclock

            I lost all respect for micah because of two things. First, he was the one who added and extra Capital S to AS11. Then, after I commented about Smith becoming injured in his spleen following a no block by an offensive lineman, micah wanted to know if I was going to massage Smith. Both comments showed me his true lack of character. On as lesser point, he was the one who called LOT’s boring because he thought only QBs should be drafted in the 1st round. I asked him if Peyton and other top QBs called their respective LOTs “boring”. It went past him. I even mentioned the fact many great runs by teams began after drafting a quality LOT, then, followed it up by adding a quality QB. He dismissed that as saying it was only the QB who really mattered.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Yeah, I’m not saying he was perfect, or even right, just that he made me laugh sometimes.

          • berttheclock

            I read a comment from some former NFL QB who thought Geno had been inserted far too early into the starting lineup, but, lacked the maturity to handle the job and said it really set his career back.

          • Laurels and limitations

            that’s becoming a normal assertion concerning QBs, these guys have to be given time to develop.

          • sidibeke

            When given time to develop, it seems even middling QBs out of college can become pros.

          • Laurels and limitations

            Hell to the yeah, let’s give it a try, lol.

          • ladner morse

            True… but once upon a time, I also went the way of the Geno.

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            Yikes! You admitted that out loud?

          • ladner morse

            Wait… did I say that out loud?

            Sorry to say…………

          • drwillez37

            Yes he said Geno would give us QBOTF…And he said the same of J.Winston

          • this goes along with the AS/11 discussion. Nope. Sorry. Never went there… you misread that. huh.

  • tm1946

    Trades, the solve all for fans. Trades, the job enders for GM’s.

    For some reason we should give away a 1st but only get 7th for our excess, just me. Who is Joe Haden that makes him worth a 1st?

    We seem to becoming what I had hoped we were at the beginning of the season…..why change canoes in the middle of a river?

  • berttheclock

    The latest is the one from NFL.com which has the Chiefs sending Jamaal Charles to the Giants for a 2nd round pick in 2017.

    • tm1946

      Interesting, no idea of interest by either party. We have to listen to any offers.

  • jimfromkcj

    As for trading, I would much rather see the Chiefs put Dadi on a havy lifting and high calorie diet to put on 15 lbs of muscle. At 250 lbs, I believe he would be a starter and a darn good one at OLB. And we have 3 or 4 years under his rookie salary. There are so many ifs on this team, I still don’t understand how anyone can be predicting the Chiefs winning the Division let alone a Super Bowl. As I have said I value an Away win higher than a home game. The Raiders have been winning away games with the 32nd rank defence. There is a game over half of the schedule to go this season and the Raiders have considerable time left to get their defence in high gear. They just have too much talent on the defensive side of the ball to remain the 32nd. If they move up to the middle of the defensive pack and their offense stays the same, I think they are a lock to win the AFC West.

    • Come on. The Chiefs defense is handling the deal with two key players out. The Offense has yet to play a solid 4 quarters. The Chiefs handled Vegas–er The Raiders. I cannot see the purposeful diminishing respect for this roster. I like Dadi, he is a not ready for prime time talent. Needs the off season pgm as you observe. What makes less since Jim, is thinking that the Raiders are completely there. They are not. Could they win the Div? Yes. I think they have 3 other teams that will contend with that assumption and it is going to be a slug fest this season. If it is that, the deeper rosters have an advantage.

      • jimfromkcj

        Dai, I can’t help being pessimistic about the Chiefs. So much water under the bridge when it is all said and done. I just don’t know if they will ever get a defense and an offense that is good at the same time. Even in our Super bowl days the Raiders were our nemesis. The year we won the super bowl they beat us twice in the regular season and won the Division. We finally beat them in the playoffs as a wild card team. We also happened to run into a buzz saw when the Dolphins beat us in that longest game. And that in my opinion was the greatest Chiefs team ever. For some reason or other we just seem to never be able to come up with the right combination to be what I would like to see, and that is a team that can go out and be consistent game after game and not have to depend on a 12th man or any other gimmick to win.

        • 3 winning seasons in a row. A good team and it is perpetuating. True, no Trophy since 1970. Okay. But look at other teams. We have a lot to be happy about. Plus: WE AIN’T THE NORTHSIDERS YET!!!!!! You’ll be dead if it gets to 61 more and counting. 🙂

          • jimfromkcj

            Hell Dai, I could be dead before the season is over. I turn 83 next month, so am on borrowed time. Would love to see Chiefs as super bowl champs once more before my time expires. But I have little hope of that happening. Just once I would like to do the Chief’s drafting. I still think if my mocks had been used for the last 10 years or so we would be top of the heap. In my opinion the owner must decide on what kind of team he wants and then hire coachs who coach that kind of team and get scouts and a GM who will buy into your strategy and get the players who fit. For the life of me I have never seen that happen with the Chiefs.

          • I think about this season, a cubs fan though I grew up listening to Harry and for the Tigers to win on Saturday, Dad always had us do barn or yard work so we could listen to the games for Dan D as the autumn leaves fell and it bore into winter, the turf getting hard. My grandfather and father never saw a champion or if anything he was 15 or like that when the cubs won in 1908. My Maternal Grandfather was 20 years older and my grandmother there was his 4th wife. My son Francis was b. Evanston and I worked North Shore for several years. I like the cubbies. Imagine 107 years. wow. I don’t wish any enviable fan my age and beyond to wait any longer. @@@@!!!! But I do have faith in Dorsey. Less so in Reid, but that is my own Prejudice. I like my own Mocks too btw and I got Kendrick last year(Laurels&L will like that). If you had to see a turn around, then I think Clark did the right thing, not many teams could approach a turn around from 2-14 to 9-11 and 3 winning seasons in the first 3 years. I am not envying your positional rotation spot “neither”, but have to say I am not that far behind and having been a Chiefs fan since the start, I too have waited a long dang time and that all an interference call the next year with college and the Lottery where I had a number below freezing. Most of us here have a vested interest in what the Chiefs do and how well they play. I try to keep perspective adding in the ebb and flow which occurs for almost every team. This roster has not met it’s stride yet.

    • sidibeke

      You could say the same about the Chiefs offense. You can’t predict, but you can look at what’s happened. Oak hasn’t beaten good D’s. KC’s best win is at Oak, but last weekend’s D performance was pretty strong. Still lots of questions and games to play for all teams. But the West does seem the strongest in the AFC.

  • Frank Leggio

    “Sheldon Richardson is a major upgrade over Jaye Howard and Dontari Poe.”. Really? Over 2 way threat Poe? Over Poe train coming through? Over “throw it to Poe hands”? Over 4.8 forty, 346lbs of BBQ eating, NT machine Poe?

    I’m not there yet.

    • tm1946

      Not sold over Poe. Reid/Suton may have run his career in the dust over using him early. He is not the same kid. Howard had one great year and …….

      I am not big on sorting thru other teams leftovers but Dorsey has a tendency to at least look.

      • I don’t see the problem over all except Bailey. Thus far I am pleased with the front 3 and I started out touting Jones. I know Howard and Poe have a constant motor. If Jones can add the push into the pocket, we will see lots of pressure on the QB and it’s when Poe Bull Rushes and takes on the Double Team that will make it work for Jones. Watch this is what I think we should do. Factor then the OLBs because now the pass rush has a man that can get to the QB aside from the edge rushers. There is some learning curve there but a tremendous up side. Keep in mind, KC Forced the Saints to a one dimensional game. This was not as close as the score(my good ol’ play caller Andy. huh). The Chiefs defense pressured things in each series just about against a very good offensive opponent and an elite QB. The Chiefs held the Saints to 78 tough yards on the ground. Further: I don’t think ratings are fair to the Saints D. They’re a good offensive team but the defense is maligned but think about the offensive teams they have faced thus far? The Chiefs offense was good(BUT AGAIN, Andy Reid in the 2nd half, huh). But the defense turned Brees over. Brees had a 300+ yards game, big time stuff and it wasn’t enough was it? Another item: The Saints had scored in 14 consecutive quarters — The Chiefs ended that streak. What was the down side? ToP. I didn’t like that. Play calling? Reid again. That’s my Andy is a problem problem in a nutshell right there. I want Childress and Al Smith to call the offense, not Reid or Nagy(dammmitttt!). We do miss Houston. Oh, btw: Ford has 3.5 sacks. Hali 1.0. Now back to the interior. I understand your worry on Poe. Chris Jones, a Rookie had a 75+ PFF rating which topped both Howard and Poe. I think there is room for concern here. But I am not sold that Poe is less than he was… He still eats up blockers… It seems to me that Chris Jones has made inroads on Bailey’s position already.

  • Chiefly Bacon

    Chiefs just added Zac Brooks to the practice squad. For a team already deep at RB, it’s a bit surprising that they would have two on the PS. Could it be that Chiefs are considering trading West and bringing up Darrin Reaves?

    • PaulfromnorthMO

      Would they consider trading Jamaal, he would probably have the most value. But like you, if we traded one, I would rather it be West.

      • Laurels and limitations

        I would think that any team wanting to trade for a RB of JC’s caliber would be in “win now” mode. The problem is that JC is not in “play now” condition.

        • PaulfromnorthMO

          I agree about the type of team that would show interest in Charles. But with the way Ware has ran the ball this year, the Chiefs have had the luxury of taking the “cautious approach” to the extreme. I would bet under most circumstances JC would be seeing a lot more playing time than he has so far.

    • Laurels and limitations

      I was actually shocked that KD was picked up before Reeves was. Of course KD is a return guy also, and that adds a ton of value.

    • sidibeke

      I wonder if we’re not hedging against not having JC this season (or beyond).

      • ladner morse

        That was kind of my thought… and the reason for my suggested trade offer of JC for Ron Leary in Dallas.

  • ladner morse

    Jamaal Charles TRADE SUGGESTION:

    Dallas gets: RB Jamaal Charles
    Chiefs get: OG Ronald Leary

    It’s still my belief that K.C. needs help at OG and Leary would become a starter almost immediately while Charles could return to Texas and play behind a line that creates holes the size of Rhode Island.

    Win-Win

    • drwillez37

      Yes!!!!!! A very heavy hearted Y

      • drwillez37

        Only problem is that opens us to face him in SB..against thatOline…

        • ladner morse

          Better than facing him at any point during the season… especially the playoffs.

    • this is the dang me topic, should a took a rope and —

      I go for Leary. With that, we would have 8 guys who could start. And then I would carry 8 because I need them, cross backups with Fulton and Reid, Swing Guard, Swing tackle, and only 8 guys plus backup for Morse. Knowing what I think I know? For the offense, if we have that kind of depth, the motor runs smooth as silk.

      But I want an ILB, eats blockers for a snack type ILB who can drop into a short zone. Okay? !!!

    • Ladner: We have Ware/West and of course JC. We have Sherman. On the PS is Reaves and Now Brooks. With how the game is played, in todays world, it seems a 1-2 punch is better than an elite RB. There is a buy in for the Chiefs, and a cost at the same time. JC has high value. He also is a RB who is a threat as a receiver(big time, in space). I think they are easing him back in but I can see a trade. We would buy back cap space. We have depth. If there is a good point for trading Jamaal, it is now. Leary would, as I commented below, add a lot of value. I highlighted a front 8 for the OL. But don’t get me wrong, I think this OL is gel’ing and I don’t want to end that because it involves player trust in each other and the Staff as well. No pro is going to question such a trade if they know the team is moving to improve to a goal. On the other burner though, we have 3 areas of concern: LB, Interior linemen and CB. This is a good roster but I would like to see Dorsey shore up 2 ways at least.

    • sidibeke

      I don’t think anyone will take him until we can prove he’s healthy. Our best trade bait is probably Foles.

      • ladner morse

        True enough.

  • drwillez37

    At this point I’d take a first rounder for Foles all day!!!! Or 2 seconds

    • You’d bet the season that AS/11 stays healthy and gamble that if a game or 2 is lost that Hogan could do the deal. Hmmm. If I could get a couple of high round picks and I was a gambler, I could see it. Okay: I’d go with two high picks if it fit a player that will be drafted where I am picking up the spot(s). It is a gamble. Defense wins championships(my view). We need an edge rusher, and two ILBs one of them a sure bet type player. We need to continue adding to the secondary talent. One more offensive lineman (Dorsey’s on a roll: Fish, Morse, Ehinger, LD-T and adding Schwartz) Let’s find another piece of magic there. So If the trade were now, we have players to give up that can go. Davis got a pick(not a great trade, maybe a good will benefit down the road added on). DAT is not going to bring us anything. West? Who?

  • Laurels and limitations

    Jamaal Charles will not play on Sunday against the Colts. The Chiefs will list him as out for the game on their… https://t.co/yutbT0OgFY— Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) October 28, 2016

  • Laurels and limitations

    Andy Reid on Jamaal Charles not playing vs. Indy w/ knee issue: "We're never going to put him out there if it's not right."— Blair Kerkhoff (@BlairKerkhoff) October 28, 2016

  • Laurels and limitations

    #Chiefs final injury report: Schwartz questionable but likely to start. No designation on Gaines, should play too. https://t.co/eDAMZ4RUeY— Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) October 28, 2016

  • Laurels and limitations

    Tamba Hali and Phillip Gaines did not have designations which means they are good to go for Sunday.— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) October 28, 2016

  • Laurels and limitations

    Bwahahahaha!!!!

    Browns HC Hue Jackson when asked about his decision to start Josh McCown: pic.twitter.com/5xyTpHKoEA— Faux NFL Network™ (@FauxNFLnetwork) October 28, 2016

  • Laurels and limitations

    Damn good point…

    I wonder if the playing surface in INDY has anything to do with Jamaal Charles sitting out? Not a good field for bad knees.— Jeff Fawver (@Jtfawver) October 28, 2016

  • Laurels and limitations

    Decent feel good story on Ron Parker, I had zero idea about the pass break-ups.
    http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article110917882.html