NSLU: In Seattle, this was no Gloria Gaynor night, that’s for sure




NSLU: In Seattle, “Tonight, tonight, won’t be just any night…” and you are not going to like it! (This was no Gloria Gaynor night, that’s for sure)


“…Today The minutes seem like hours,
The hours go so slowly,
And still the sky is light.
Oh moon, grow bright,
And make this endless day endless night!
Tonight… tonight…tonight….”



Tonight? I have been thinking on it since Monday. I watched other teams play. This Chiefs team would likely face up man for man from what I have seen, any team that played. They have to believe and play lights out, every night they play. Tonight? They did nothing to instill confidence in me. Not one bit.


Sure. At any time, against any team you would have a toss-up. For example, the damned Steelers of recent note. Damned if tonight wasn’t a replay of how the Chiefs shot themselves in the foot, possession after possession – just like the finale of play for the home team against the Steelers last season.


The… “You know whats?”

You know What?
I like playing good teams. Sooner or later, it breeds success. It breeds $$$$. It breeds competition. I like that. I absolutely did not see the success in the play of the team against the Seahawks.


You Know What? All summer – no, since the Super Bowl — the pundits have the Chiefs 3rd in the division behind one team or another but always the Raiders. {expletives deleted}. Maybe the Pundits are right.


You know What? The Chiefs Roster is better than the Raiders, man for man, position by position. Ditto the Broncos. Ditto the Chargers. It’s the Seahawks. Maybe I am mistaken.


You know What? Now dang it all, for me some of tonight would have been John Dorsey’s players against John Schneider’s. Dang it! {Expletives deleted}. Hmm. Can’t we get a redo on the firing of Dorsey and not Reid?


You know what? These two teams are similar in design and methodology. This will be an interesting night.  Even now, it is still the case. This roster is full of athletes who excel. They have the speed. They have the temperament. They have played together, many of them, for several seasons now. We have four under our belt. – I found this to be a damned poorly played game by both teams. I am unhappy with that, altogether.



You know what? So too, are the Seahawks such a team. In their time. And so are the Chiefs. [Expletives, repeated, over and over again… but… Tonight, Tonight…] – this does not seem to me to be indicative of the possibilities of either team.


 Let’s go Chiefs! (I wrote) – good heavens.


What I want to see: I want to see!


  • Roy Miller Fit the Chiefs Defense.
  • Chris Jones return to form, at least for a bit.
  • Hunt to go on a TD Hunt.
  • Al Smith to continue his lights out play.
  • Conley break one loose. I already know Hill can do that.
  • Kelce, Harris, Charles and Escobar all succeed in a play designed for success. (Add on? 3 TE Set)
  • I want to see both Ehinger and Witzman play tonight, lights out for the OL. BOTH OF THEM.
  • I want to see RNR break out and I want to see Alan Bailey with a sack.
  • I want to see as much as we can possibly take with the ones, the ILBs and OLBs. Try them all and see where it goes. Then the twos. I want first of all to see DJ and Ramik Wilson side by side. I want to see Josh Mauga put in when it is an obvious stuff the run deal. I want to see Sutton hybrid the Ocean doves to death.
  • I want to see the Chiefs hybrid beat the Seahawks hybrid. This is the real test of the pre-season.
  • So now? It is game time in 2 hours and counting.
  • Know whats? – Dave Pedersen is showing he belongs in the head-coaching rank. I like that. And I want to see Dave Toub being the next Head Coach out of KC. … and…. And….


The rest? It’s icing on the cake. Tonight, Tonight…


Game Review:  real time, or pretty close to it


So what did I see? It is not even the end of the game, but I am disgusted. Mahomes and Co, looked awful in the first 2 possessions of the “twos.” Alex Smith did nothing in his first half and first possession of the second half – 44 yards, no TDs – so, no INT’s but a big zero in TDs.


What Hunt did was what Hunt should do, especially after Ware went down with an apparent ankle injury. I was pleased with Hunt.



I saw Conley make a good catch. Kelce for one, but Kelce had a drop too. Demetrius Harris had a big first down.


I was not pleased with the offensive line. It was not that they didn’t play, but by the time they got rolling there were so many penalties that it became a moot point. They did not dominate. They weren’t dominated. The score reflects that. When I was sitting through this, my compatriot, a Seahawks Fan, was in the same boat. I commented to him that the defense held but they gave up big pieces of ground to the Seahawk’s running game. Wilson was effective but the Chiefs held them out of the end zone, reminiscent of the Steeler’s game I said to him. We were both disgusted.


Meanwhile, on defense, you have little to write home about. Chris Jones had a great sack. I can say that Alan Bailey played well but the rest I did not see. Roy Miller didn’t do much. The LB core was ineffective. White, got beat bad in the secondary and the Penalties. This was worse than we saw the previous week. I am disgusted.


Over to the coaching staff: Reid’s play calling was just okay but Nagy, when he appeared to be calling the game, was “just okay too”.


My want list?


What I want to see: What I saw

  • Roy Miller remains questionable.
  • Chris Jones return to form at least for a bit and I saw this. I was pleased.
  • Hunt didn’t break one to the end zone but he was very effective on the ground. I was happy with it.
  • Al Smith did nothing to earn my confidence. Yes, penalties were part of it.
  • Chris Conley didn’t break one loose but played well. Hill was basically a non-factor. break one
  • Kelce, did nothing, Harris did, and I can’t say anything positive about Charles and Escobar. Maybe you saw it, I did not.
  • I don’t think the guard play by anyone was good. In fact, I saw Schwartz, at tackle get a big whiff. I am disgusted with the OL Play over all.
  • Alan Bailey showed why the Chiefs missed him. RN-R? Not so much. Bailey did get a sack.
  • Hell, I am confused as hell at the LB play. The only one I thought made my evening was, you guessed it, Ford. I saw him do a reverse spin to the inside no less. It amounted to nothing but he used a move that has been lacking in his repertory. The rest I want to see Sutton hybrid the Ocean doves to death.
  • I want to see the Chiefs hybrid beat the Seahawks hybrid. This did not happen. OTOH? The Seahawk’s hybrid was nothing to write home about. So now? It is game time in 2 hours and counting.
  • About my know what’s? I still think Dave Pedersen is showing he belongs in the head-coaching rank.



NOT IN MY LIST? S/T Run back for a TD by DAT.




I should have had in my list, s/t performing well or above that. It didn’t other than the DAT TD.


Overall? I think this was a terribly sloppy game – not just the Chiefs by the way, but the Seahawks too, played some really inept football. I did see Wilson make plays. I saw their LBs play well – but I saw their LBs whiff.

Both Head coaches should head for the locker room with bloody scalps having raked their fingernails through the hairdo, for a complete half of the game and more.

The fans? Sitting with my friend James and we are both watching the inept play of our respective teams, I looked at him and he said: WTF? {expletives intended} I said the same thing back. Maybe you wanted a play by play review and I took serious notes into and through the second PM2 possession. He11, he looked pretty awful too.




I am disgusted.


David Bell – Avery





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    Meanwhile, there is a player for the Broncos with the Number 28, who has made their roster. No, he did not exhibit breakaway speed, but, he had a nice run of 12 and ended up 4 for 27 yards. Plus, he cut an onrushing defensive lineman which saved the day for Simien. Their HC said he has made the roster. Now, who is that Number 28. He used to wear with distinction, Number 25, for the Chiefs. One, Jamaal Charles.

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      I agree with Bert about Dave Toub,I would like to see him become the Chiefs head coach someday, but I like Andy Reid much more than he does. I’m afraid that by the time Coach Reid retires, Toub will have already gotten a job somewhere else. The other point was with Jamaal,even though I did not see the game I have mixed emotions about any success he has. He was one of my favorite Chiefs and I am glad he can still play, but playing for the “Donkeys” is a tough pill to swallow

  • berttheclock

    Yes, Hunt did play well, but, I suggest you go back and review a run he made in the 1st quarter when, he did not look at the huge hole to his right on a run into the LOS. Vision problems? or was he just lowering his head far too early. It reminded me of seeing Turbin when he played for the Seahawks and why they got rid of him. He refused to look for holes, but, just tried to force his way forward

  • berttheclock

    Yesterday over at ESPN, there was an interesting thread by Matt Bowen, the former D-back for several teams with his last stop with the Redskins. He, now, works for ESPN. He made a suggestion about fixing the preseason (The owners will never implement it, but…) He spoke about how the new player’s union agreement of limiting practices has hurt teaching proper techniques. He noted that several teams in the NFL have found it beneficial to put together more team to team practices. Yes, they can get chippy at times, as the Chiefs found out when they used to practice in Wisconsin against the Vikings. But, having practices against an opponent can provide better evaluation by coaches of players as they can put the team into various situations which may not be available as much in a regular preseason game. He suggests that there only be two actual preseason games and have the other two used as team scrimmages instead. He said those scrimmages could even include having NFL refs there for training purposes, as well. Teams could practice more 2 minute drills, more 4 minute drills, etc.

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      When you talk about taking ‘$$$-cha-ching’ out of owners pockets, you might as well whistle into the wind.

    • LoL. Reid. Sheesh. I am watching what goes on with Dave P. and then we get to see Toub on the side lines in action. I could go for Toub and you know how I feel about Reid in general. But that’s me.

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  • berttheclock

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    • Hill had 3 drops(or maybe 2 and one was questionable). He was a non-factor because of this.

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    After being able to get my 5 different personalities together, we had a vote of confidence taken on the current Chiefs. The final vote was three to two. I’ll let you decide whom the vote favored. I might have let a couple more of the personalities vote, but, they, probably, would have abstained.

  • I think the wtf trophy goes to team prep for this game. I am not sure which coach should get it. By default it goes to Andy Reid.

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      How do you prep for that defense? They don’t tackle…..the hit and they hit to maim. Every tackle is a body slam, or a helmet lead……..many hits are borderline late and meant to intimidate.
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          • it’s always been part of football. Always. I didn’t see dirty play by the ‘hawks. The Chiefs and they went straight up against each other — our offense mastered one basic drive. Hard nosed football was lacking. Same with defense. When the twos came in and after is when it fell to the wayside. You prep by making your offensive players hit, block hard, and running backs, when they are being tackled, you hit the defensive guy as hard as you can of your own empatus, not theirs.

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    • I put some emphasis on it, esp. game 3. They don’t have to win but they have to sequence things toward success and the success in this game v the ‘Hawks, was not good. I went through it, but I was unhappy with the overall prep, and hence performance. If you leave out Ware, we haven’t had a bad pre-season injury wise at all. Ware though, as it turns out, may be out for all of it. Which makes Spiller’s acquisition pretty crucial(presuming he continues to do what he has been doing). I wanted to see more along the lines as my piece highlighted but it didn’t happen. So if this pre-game was of use, it was to see where things were ineffective and that should have gotten them a long way because I saw a lot out of sync. Could they have been couching performance so as to fool the PATS? who by the way. lost Edelman. That was bad for them. I take your frame of Ref. mahomes to start and will it be with the ones? remember, the Titans won that cold game I attended last year on a FG so they aren’t a slouch.

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        I really think the emphasis by Reid during game 3 was one more about the minutia than the overall product. Reid was putting certain players in very certain positions during this last game in order to obtain a very definitive conclusion.

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