NSLU: Numbers That Count? Chiefs, 30 – Chargers, 13

 

 

 

I took notes tonight with a good deal of meticulousness. A review of the successes of the game follow below. They are exceed the errors. It should be noted by all, and I think most of us had the same question before the opening Kick Off [The Chiefs won the toss and deferred so the Chargers received]. That question was: WHICH CHIEFS TEAM WOULD SHOW UP THIS TIME?

The Successes Were Obvious

  1. The Chiefs played football on both sides of the ball
  2. The Chiefs ground game was a huge positive
  3. The Chiefs won the turn-over battle 4-zit
  4. KC’s defense forced the Chargers to use Gordon
  5. Al Smith went deep to Hill on a 30 yard pass and 64 yard TD
  6. Marcus Peters returned, kept his emotions in Check and had 3 contributions to item number.
  7. KC kept their “way stupid penalties to a minimum.

 

There is more to be observed.

 

Back to the game notes:

Andy Reid should, by now, have determined that Nagy is a far better play-caller than he. The Chiefs, perhaps should have scored 2 more Touch Downs but settled for 2 Field Goals but in the end, it didn’t matter.

 

 

What About the Play-calling?

Nagy’s play calling was very good. In the first Quarter on the first possession, the Chiefs went an anemic 3 and out. It wasn’t until late in the 4th Quarter that the Chiefs had a 3 and out after that. I am pleased with this. Still, thy shot themselves in the foot, such as on their second drive where they ended up settling for a Butker Field Goal. This was due to a dropped pass by Travis Kelce and a scrambled play that resulted in a Smith incomplete pass to Ty Hill.

 

KC went up 10-0 on the 3rd possession but the Chargers came right back and scored their own TD but the Extra Point was wide. Chiefs 10-6 but failed to convert despite moving the ball on a 53 yard miss by Butker. This is where I found a worry or two because Rivers led a charge right back and went up 13-10 just after the half. Note that on their preceding possession they had gon to Melvin Gordon to move the chains. After starting the 2nd half and punting, the Chargers came back with a score and took the lead. At this point, the Chargers had trailed in a game for more minutes than the previous 3 and their score to take the lead was on an Antonia Gates wide open strike from Rivers.

 

At this point my observation picks up the missed LB assignment and I am not sure of which LB it was to have been. From my view, this was Reggie Ragland’s err but I wonder about KPL and his injury and whether the assignment was shifted and missed. Oh: Kevin Pierre-Louis had a superb pass defense during this game and it wasn’t a simple 5 – 8 yard pass play.

 

 

The Rest of the Game?

From this point, KC trailed 10-13 but held the Chargers scoreless the rest of the way.

 

I had made a note to myself just before the half that the Chiefs would have to figure how to stop Gordon who was used very effectively but to no true avail. The Chiefs focus had clearly been to stop the Rivers aerial antics and for the most part they did so.

 

The Chiefs settled for 3 points on Peters Interception to the Chargers 6 yard line with two Faux pas in a row. There was a no call of interference in the end zone on Harris within the mix of plays that resulted in the FG, which iterates once again the no-calls that I am constantly seeing against the Chiefs.

 

 

Three subsequent Turnovers by the Chargers, interception by Ron Parker and a fumble recovery forced by Peters and recovered by Ron Parker plus Marcus Peters 2nd INT sealed the deal. This was the Chiefs defense that has been missing all along — something we have grown accustomed to seeing but has been largely the missing ingredient for two seasons.

 

Other Major Achievements?

  • Hunt rushed for well over 100 yards and had more than 200 total yards. It was good to see him breaking runs loose again. He scored 2 TDs.
  • Smith went long to Hill, taking advantage of Hill’s speed on a 30 yard pass and a 64 yard TD.
  • Chris Jones had another major game with a sack and at least 2 harried/hurried throws by Rivers. [I like what I am seeing from Jones]

 

 

 

Bottom Line for a Game Summary?

The Chiefs took care of business and had their way with a major rival. It wasn’t a perfect game but it was a good game for the hometown crowd. The loser of this game likely will not make the playoffs. For the Chiefs to clinch? A combination of two losses next week by the Raiders and Chargers OR, Chiefs win out.

 

Sure, there were errors. For example, Hill had a great punt return negated by a Chiefs holding call –LDT.

 

As noted, there were two anemic possessions and the Chiefs had opportunities to put up six and not 3 which they did not capitalize on. It appeared to me that the Chargers, just before the half, had adjusted to their ground game and using Melvin Gordon as the 2nd half proved out. Rivers though, was never able to take advantage of that other than the Gates scoring drive.

 

I made comment that the only way to head into the playoffs was to go on a roll and win out. This was game 1 of that type of playoff run and this was a “playoff game of import.”

 

 

This was a gratifying win for all concerned (unless I get some vociferous negative commentary which might or might not be valid). Me? I am pleased that the faltering team has turned it around.

 

 

One more note: late in the game Marcus Peters was having a conversation with Eric Berry. I believe that it was a review of the facts and the lessons that appeared to have been received by the former. Let’s hope so.

 

*NSLU: No Stone Left Unturned

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  • berttheclock

    Of all the impressive things accomplished by the Chiefs last night, perhaps, the most impressive to me was the way in which the offensive line of the Chiefs not only put together great blocking as a unit, but, both Fisher and Schwartz only allowed two of the best pass rushers for the Chargers to only have one sack.

    One other positive was the way some of the Chiefs did things which will not be picked up in stats. Such as on the muffed punt (which hit Sorensen in his back), Harris shoved a Chargers’ player out of the way allowing Orson Charles to recover the ball at the six yard line. Also, Charles was a pleasant surprise in how he was able to get open for a nice pass and catch gain.

    • Delaware Chief

      Good point about Orson Charles,the fumble recovery and catch were both huge. If the Chargers recover the fumble it is at least three points and his catch was a smart play as he was in to block and went out during the scramble drill and set the Chiefs up for the Butker field goal as it went from 3rd and 21 to 4th and three which.

      • berttheclock

        Yes and reading comments by writers covering the Chargers at both ESPN and the LA Times, special teams play by the Chargers was knocked, especially, in their not being able to recover that muffed punt.

    • one other thing: I noticed both Schwartz and Fisher celebrating the success of other players when they scored — I mean it was noticeable.

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      People were disappointed that drive ended with only 3 points…..but if you back up and look at the entire drive from start to finish….it was an amazing success story.

      The punt hits Sorenson in the back and luckily recovered by Charles, which was certainly 7 points the other way if not recovered…………

      then, several plays later and a stall on a 3rd and short, Andy decides to go for it on 4th down and succeeds, keeping the drive alive……later resulting in 3 points.

      THAT! my friends was a 10 point swing in our favor no matter how you slice it.

  • berttheclock

    Losing Berry really set back the defense of the Chiefs and they had to come together to form a new unit. But, one thing which caught my attention is how lucky the Chiefs have been in some of their important wins by having star players for their opponents go down with injuries during the games. NE lost their top defensive player. The Texans lost both Watt and Mercilus. The Eagles were without Fletcher Cox Last night, once, Perryman was lost to the defense of the Chargers, it allowed more openings for Hunt. I don’t mean to try to negate the solid play by the Chiefs in these wins, but, having star defensive players lost to opponents during games has helped the Chiefs.

    Watching the game last night and seeing so many injuries suffered to players of both teams, I thought the loud speaker at Arrowhead might start playing “and suicide is painless” from “MASH”. Only thing missing last night was seeing Dustoffs landing to medivac injured players. I hope KPL will be OK. Pat said when she saw him on the ground that she feared he had injured his shoulder. Last night was not a night for the timid to be on the playing field.

    • ladner morse

      Perryman could be typified as . good player but probably not a star. He’s averaged 3.8 tackles per game this season and 4.2 for his career. Those are not big numbers for a LB. In DJ’s 5 best seasons, he averaged 6.3 tackles per game. That’s a star.

      What stood out to me about the injuries overall is that the Chargers were the victims of some excellent execution and rock hard play by the Chiefs.

      • berttheclock

        Yes, but, as mentioned in the LA Times who covers the Chargers, Perryman is a real leader on their defense.

  • berttheclock

    Casey Hayward, the excellent DB of the Chargers told LA Times reporters that 64 yard catch and run by Hill had been a mistake by himself. He said he was supposed to drop off Hill, but, decided to press. Wrong time, wrong place. He noted that Hill had thrown up one hand with two fingers raised telling Hayward about burning him twice.

    • ladner morse

      Funny that Hayward thought that Hill holding up two fingers had anything to do with hm.

      Hill has said before that it’s a “peace sign.” At one time some thought he’d be fined for doing that as he crossed the goal line. But… fining him never happened.

  • berttheclock

    Trent Green speaking as a former QB made one critical comment about a play called by Nagy early in the game. Nagy called a play which tried to get both Hill and Kelce open fairly deep. It was the type of play which took a bit of time to develop. Green noted that Smith did not have the time in the pocket for that type of play.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      That was the play where Smith got sacked. Only snap of the night where that happened.

      • tm1946

        Looked bad at the time…. OL wiffed on everyone…..

  • berttheclock

    Reggie Bush spoke on NFL Network after the game. Remember, he had played football in HS with Alex Smith. While commending Smith, he said in the playoffs, Reid and Nagy are going to have to find ways to get other wide outs open on the edge.

    • tm1946

      Word…. just not a factor…. love Robinson… mia, last nite. Wilson…was decent but if there was another WR on the field…no one noticed.

      • My view is that Wilson has to be the guy – Robinson’s still on the outskirts of familiarity; Or, the Chiefs must figure a way to get the ball to Robinson by setting up successes specifically for him. I agree with Bush’s pronouncement

        • larry mckinney

          Go back and watch Hunt’s five yard rushing TD. He doesn’t get there without Wilson’s excellent drive block. And mid-game he had an excellent catch and run for a first down. He’s made me forget the drops, and I’ve quit questioning the possibility of feelthy pictures somewhere.

          As well, my view is that the team has plenty of WRs coming along and that we’ll be fine even if Hill goes down to injury.

  • tm1946

    Special shout out to Al. Wilson, 12. For those who tape games, look at Hunt’s TD near the goal line. Wilson drove his defender into the end zone. His hands were in the right places, did not stop the drive until the play ended…. as nice a block by a WR as I have seen recently.

    IMO, LB/S seemed to do a lot of chasing of RBs and TEs. Just a step behind, pass completed and pray to catch up. Cannot add speed so Sutton has to work on better positioning or placement… this will get us killed in later games.

    PS ok, I am buying into Nagy is calling plays. That said if the Chargers DC is worth a hoot, he did not see most of these plays coming. Unlike games we lost recently, the defenders were not sitting on plays waiting for the Chiefs to show up… credit Reid and Nagy with mixing things up.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Good call tm, D Harris also had a good block on that play. I agree about the LB and S getting chewed up in the middle of the field for a while. We need more speed at both positions.

    • one thing I noted was that both RR and KP-L went out with stingers at exactly the wrong time for Sutton’s defense set up. I am quite sure that Ragland’s miff on Gates TD was confusion on assignments — he wasn’t there. Later, when Ragland went out, it was Gordon on multiple plays. As I noted, the OC for LAC did well shifting to Gordon and Sutton did not react to stop the run or spy Gordon to stop him. It didn’t matter in the end. The shift to Gordon went 4 in a row before the half and a lot after that. Sutton didn’t react, kept the focus on shutting down the aerial attack and Rivers getting 3 picks played right into it.

      Still, I think Sutton should have adjusted with DJ, Ragland or KP-L. Gordon was on top of his game at the same time. I also noted the excellent dro by KP-L and a pass defense about 12 yards deep or so.

      Sometimes, it’s what the DC has set up that makes things look inept.

      • berttheclock

        Rivers for a well seasoned QB really tried to force those passes late in the game.

        • you could see it — the first INT, he was expecting a reception or a contest for the ball by the WR. He was “Frustrated” by what occurred.

    • Laurels and limitations

      There was a spell there in the game where KC was showcasing Hunt between the tackles time and again. LT said it during the broadcast that sometimes you have to make the opposing team beat you even when they know what is coming….KC did that last night.

      • tm1946

        Agreed but – as I recall during the losing streak – defenses had a player standing in the hole the RB was going thru… before the RB had the ball or so it seemed. Not being there or having coaching tapes, I am betting there was some tell orReid is so well known that in a give situation with ___ at RB, this is what he tends to call. Why Nagy is doing so well? After enough tape, we may see the end of Nagy success…. thankfully there are just a few games left so DC will have less tape and time to prepare. Also… I suspect that if our OL is so poor at blocking they are showing something.

        Football history… was a RB named Bronco Nagurski (sp), one mean dude. Tale is an OL got set, looked up and saw a DL opposite him and said – Bronco is coming thru here on this play… do not know about you but I am not going to be here when he does….

        • Laurels and limitations

          Nagurski, a little before my time but I do remember a cat named Okoye.

  • I thought a 3 phases of the team played well with few mistakes of the stupid nature. I think it was one illegal motion penalty on the nite… ie, movement before the snap.

    • berttheclock

      Hey David. Don’t know if you will get the same feeds, but, today in Portland, football on TV will be on CBS KOIN, the Bengals at the Vikings at 10 followed with the Pats at Pittsburgh at 1. On the FOX at 1 will be the Rams at Seattle and the evening game on NBC will be Dallas at Oakland.

      • yes… what we get is Spokane and that mirrors Portland. So those are the 2 on CBS, Fox has the Rams and the evening game with Dallas who will give oakland another loss, leaving on the LAC with a dim hope.

      • One thing Sat? I had a terrible time sticking with the Detroit/Bears game. I switch to Bogey and Casablanca and then back to the game. So the question is, for me? Are the Lions getting to the playoffs going to make any difference? Even more? Are the Chiefs? Getting the back to back Division titles is one thing. Winning in the playoffs? That is the “roll” factor finishing out. After all, they could accomplish a lot and go deep or 1 and out. Which team shows up, eh?

        • berttheclock

          I tried to stick with watching for awhile. More to see Trubisky and knowing this might be the last year of coaching for John Fox. But, hard to give up Casablanca. Interesting point about that movie is at the time it was produced, it was considered to only be what was referred to in those days as a “B” picture, meaning a backup in theaters which ran double features. When, you consider “Stagecoach” with John Wayne was, also, made as a “B” movie, funny how both of them have become classics over time. So, if you ever hear anyone complaining about some old film only being a “B” movie, think of them.

          • The story as it unfolded is tight, flowed without requiring time to tell each component. That’s good directing and good acting and it was all there. Film today? Junk special effects and I find it difficult to watch much of it. Film Noir? Different story. One of the best modern era films with Hurt, Turner, Crenna, Danson and Rourke — Body Heat. OH. Preston also, great job as Oscar the cop. I dearly love this film for the same type of reasons that Casablanca was a great film. It all pulled together and when Hurt wakes up in Jail, and says: She’s alive? Rourke too. Great cast all the way around. Crenna’s portrayal was very good, takes you back to his role in “Wait Until Dark” type play.

          • berttheclock

            Darn shame as to the time of day TCM puts on a fellow who specialized in film noir. Usually, early on Sundays. But, he has shown classic “noirs”.

          • Oscar…she’s relentless.

          • ladner morse

            Great post.

            Hey, Frank and I have spoken before about doing a Movie Review Section on ArrowheadOne. Would you be interested in writing some occasional reviews like that?

          • larry mckinney

            Couldn’t agree more.

          • larry mckinney

            Happy that I never met one like her. LOL

        • ladner morse

          IDK… but I really want to see the Cs gobble up the TunaDolphins so… PMII can bust in on the broncos..

          • berttheclock

            Andy Reid does have history of starting a backup in the last game of the season. Remember, how he started Chase against the Bolts?

          • not for me. A loss and the title is set. Getting all the roster on a roll is crucial to post-season. For m anyway.

          • ladner morse

            You do understand that if the Chiefs win their next game then they’ve won the AFCWest and every time Andy has been in that position… he’s rested as many of his starters as possible?

          • yes. But that has not really created the tempo needed for the post season–that winning the last 4 in a row says something about mental prep for post-season. My view anyway. Besides, as you know, AR is not my Favorite HC. 🙂

    • Chiefly Bacon

      I’d say the offense and defense played very well. STs was not great. Missed FG and too many penalties. Plus nearly giving the Chargers the ball on the goal line with the muffed punt.

      • berttheclock

        Interesting about that missed FG. After the icing, Trent Green spoke about how some kickers actually like it as they can become more focused, plus, they might want to make a slight correction of the kick they had when the icing happened. Now, on the FG try as the Bolts called the TO, Butker was perfect down the middle. Looks as though he might have over corrected.

      • missed 53 yard attemp? meh. the two opportunities that were glaring were the call on Hill’s punt return was a huge dif in yards. Yes, Sorensen ws too close to Hill. Fortunately, Harris got to the ball. Punts wre good to inside th 20 and better, no muffed blocking on FG attempts, etc. S/T did okay and contributed. I am not going to get down on the two calls that stand out for me. He is 4 for 5 over 50 yards(Butker). I am very good with that.

        • Laurels and limitations

          Plus, I think it was Akeem Hunt who rumbled his way down to near mid-field on a return. It’s easy to say someone should have taken a knee when they only return a kick to the 20 but it’s impossible to say the same thing if someone breaks a return for 6 points.

      • freshmeat62

        Glad you brought up ST. I was going to comment a couple days ago, but timing didn’t seem right. I haven’t been impressed w/ ST this year. Way to many penalties, and then they were returning every kickoff regardless of how deep into the endzone. Hardly any got back to the 25, and usually they would have a penalty that would set them back even farther.

        • larry mckinney

          AR is on record saying he doesn’t care about those returns not even gaining the 25 yard line. He wants the possibility of busting a big return to not be out of play. And I feel that’s a good approach given the history.

          Still, it seems every runback draws a flag for every team. Wonder if the zebras have been coached to prepare us for the elimination of the kickoff play.

  • Chiefly Bacon

    Orson Charles came up with a big fumble recovery on STs and a nice 18 yard catch in passing game. Excited to see what he can do as Chiefs continue to bring him along.

    • thus far? He is contributing plays that mean something… We need that.

      • berttheclock

        His background shows more of being used as both a FB and a H-back.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Maybe we’ll start throwing to him instead of Harris in the end zone.

  • berttheclock

    Last evening on the open thread, Laddie went off on a post of nothing but the word “Hallelujah”. Now, I don’t know if he meant the Handel version of the “Hallelujah Chorus” sung by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir or Leonard Cohen’s “Hallelujah”. Either of them would have fit the feelings of many seeing the offense and defense of the Chiefs apparently brought back to life.

    • larry mckinney

      Handel’s version is the only one. He wrote it. And it was performed nicely by the Norman Twabernackle choir, as noted by ‘lil Dickey Smothers.

      Anyway, it does appear we are seeing evidence of a second coming. A modern miracle.

  • berttheclock

    Another point I liked about the Chiefs play calling last night was they went back to using motion and misdirection. Plus, on that pass and run to the left late in the game, they put in a 3 TE set on the right.

    • late, the Chiefs put hill in motion, reversed that to the left, ie, jet sweep but hand off a fake, pass back to the right flat that garnered maybe 3 yards. I will say it confused me what they had set up. Defended well unfortunately. I think that type of play sets things up for lost yards or lost opportunities. Maybe it’s just me. Too much “Reid” and not enough South to North.

      • berttheclock

        Both Reggie Bush and LT said at times Andy does try to get too cute.

      • freshmeat62

        Seems to me that Reid depends more on his ‘genius’ than the talent of players.

  • berttheclock

    BTW, which Chiefs’ player was given credit for stripping Ekeler? The LB, Ragland, slamming into him or Peters reaching out for the ball?

    • berttheclock

      However, the point made by Trent Green and they showed graphics about them going into the game, the Bolts had been winning the take away game very well. That ended last night and the Chiefs reverted to being thieves.

    • freshmeat62

      At first I thought it was Peters, but when they showed the replay from the other angle it looked like the LB is the one that got his hand in there. At least Peters made one tackle last nite saving a 1st dn. Got to say Peters had a heck of a game, but then Rivers was way off on his throws too.

    • berttheclock

      Speaking of Peters trying to strip the ball. Britt Zank of AA made a very good point about those who went off against Peters “whiffing” on trying to tackle Gordon on the sidelines. Gordon went into a leap as Peters tried to hit the ball. But, Peters knew he had help coming into the play, so, he opted to knock the ball loose.

      • freshmeat62

        Got to say I got a chuckle out of that last sentence. He must be seeing lots of ‘lords a leaping’ this year based on the tackles he’s ‘tried’.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      I think Peters got credit for the strip, it looked like the ball was coming out before Ragland hit him.

      • berttheclock

        Everyone loves to throw around the term “steal of”, either the draft or even picking up a player from another team. So far, I would have to vote for Veach stealing Ragland for the Chiefs. He gained a former pick who was only 4 picks behind Chris Jones in the draft and only gave the Bills a 4th round selection for him. That would really mean he was a “steal”.

        • As I noted, Ragland is just what the Dr. ordered for the MIKE. He has speed, and isn’t far of DJ’s combine numbers but my point is, he is a hitter, and can drop into coverage as well. I think next season? He will own the MIKE.

        • freshmeat62

          Agree that Ragland was a steal, but Erving looking like wasted money.

          • berttheclock

            Butker would be my second selection for a steal, but, that credit really goes to Dave Toub for both scouting him and keeping tabs on him after the draft.

          • I think it’s too early to say he is a waste. Maybe. But opportunity at NFL speed hasn’t really been there for him. We’ll see how it shakes out come S/T(my view).

          • ladner morse

            I agree. They, the coaches, need an offseason to get him where he needs to be. Then we’ll see.

          • berttheclock

            I had thought the Browns tried to move him far too much among positions on the O-line. It would appear he really needs a Guru to teach him one position and stick with it.

          • ladner morse

            One interior line position.

          • berttheclock

            Still wish Dorsey could have found a way to get Connor McGovern in the draft.

          • ladner morse

            Yep… I liked him better than Morse.

          • freshmeat62

            Since we’re talking o-line, I think I’d like to see Fulton at C fulltime and move Morse to LG. Fulton does a pretty good job at C, but is in no way a G.

          • berttheclock

            Laddie thought Morse might fit OG better, plus, be able to not get concussions. Ironic that he went on IR for a foot injury.

          • ladner morse

            heads and toes…

            Yep, have said before that OG offers him more chances to meet DL-men at different angles. Just not sure he could ever be a dominant OG at 305lbs

          • ladner morse

            While I’d agree Fulton is a much better C than he is a Guard… and while he can anchor well on pass plays, he can’t pull which is a strength of Morse.

            Fulton’s feet are a liability and although I don’t mind seeing back-up injured players I’ve never thought of him as starting material… only because of his slow feet.

          • berttheclock

            That reminds me of a great song from “Ain’t Misbehavin” about Fats Waller. The song is sung by a fellow complaining about the feet of a woman he likes. “Cause you got big feet”.

          • ladner morse

            Made me laugh. 1st time today… thanks for that.

          • berttheclock

            I was able to see the road tour of that in LA. Loved the T-shirts they sold. On the chest they wrote, “One never knows, do one?”

          • I can see that because LD-T blocks well for the run and gets to the second level, he is not as quick as Morse of course but both can pull. LD-T can work in tandem with Fulton as a bulldozer set up. It would solve the starting LG question, wouldn’t it?

            Of course I am hoping the Chiefs get to the QB under center(I hate that term, he is above and behind center, so over 40 years, the terminology shifted). Out of that, motion, play action, a simplified playbook that always drives forward. I like too, the 3 TE sets, even if Harris has been a disappointment to my expectation. I think Orson fits because of football moxie so it works. He isn’t afraid to block either.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            On the one sack of AS, Ingram ran a stunt inside. Fulton was working a double team with LDT and was slow reacting to the blitz coming through his vacated center spot.

          • berttheclock

            That was not the first time, a blitz has gone unnoticed behind him.

          • ladner morse

            right!

          • it may be just that, no quick feet and slow to react at the same time???? ha!

          • and that could be set up for LG.

          • freshmeat62

            Hopefully it’s just taking a little longer to learn Reids playbook, and he’ll be good.

          • larry mckinney

            Has played for new team without the advantage of having a preseason camp. Learning on the fly, I’ll give him some time before condemning.

        • THEN the question becomes DJ. Super motivator player, has been great but I think he gained weight, his reactions aren’t quick like before and can only attribute that to his rehab and coming back too soon. 2 achilles may have done it also, or a combo. I have the utmost respect for DJ but for 2018? This is a huge question for me.

          • berttheclock

            Plus, this season, he has been out of position a great deal. However, that lack of speed trying to chase an older Gates does give one pause.

          • freshmeat62

            I feel sorry for DJ. I saw 3 plays last nite that he was slow getting too, or he lost his balance when the runner made a cut. A few years ago he would have made those plays.

            BUT that tackle he made on Lynch last week was classic.

          • berttheclock

            I would love to see the Chiefs retain him as a coach.

          • ladner morse

            ding ding ding ding ding……

          • berttheclock

            Hey, you never answered my question about “Hallelujah”. Leonard Cohen or Handel?

          • ladner morse

            Cohen never even came to mind.

          • berttheclock

            Thanks.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            DJ’s lack of speed really showed as he was trailing the 37 year old Gates across the field on Gates TD.

          • Laurels and limitations

            I think DJ was just reliving old times, neither DJ not Berry has ever been able to keep up with Gates.

          • larry mckinney

            Very respectfully suggest he is done. Aiming for a TV spot for next year. Team will still need rotational depth at ILB next year despite the great development shown by Ragland and KPL..

  • Here’s another item I should have added: Safety and CB blitz. Sutton went at it at least 4 times, resulting in 1 hurry, 1 sack, but the other two, Rivers made big pass completions…. Still, I liked it and the first one was the sack.

    • berttheclock

      Yes, and the back came in like a great Chicago race track announcer used to say, “Like gangbusters”.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      That might have been Murray’s best play in a long time.

      • Laurels and limitations

        lol, ever.

    • ladner morse

      The Blitz Package game plan by Sutton was as much responsible for this win as anything. It totally kept Rivers off his mark.

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        Speaking of Sutton, just prior to the half on the hail mary play by the Chargers, the defense looked all messed up and the Chiefs had to call a time out. I saw what looked like Reid chewing on Sutton on the side line, with Sutton doing some yelling back of his own.

        • berttheclock

          At halftime, I wanted to see Romeo Crennel come back to coach the defense. But, in the 4th quarter, I was amazed to see how well Sutton adjusted his calls.

          However, some nerve by Reid in that prior to that sequence, he and/or Nagy had made some pretty strange offensive calls.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            The past couple of games we’ve seen Sutton do some un-Sutton like things. It kinda make me wonder if there isn’t some outside influence being forced upon him. I also wonder about the improved O-line play lately, as to whether Heck has been quietly shoved aside.

          • by?

        • ladner morse

          I think there needs to be some passion expressed… especially by Sutton. He so often looks like he’s about to fall asleep while standing on the sidelines. I’d rather have a guy who looks a little scary … or that he could hurt you either physically or just by looking at you.

        • Laurels and limitations

          Good, I like backbone

  • berttheclock

    With the improved play calling by Nagy (except for the strange series of plays late in the first half), Nagy might be in demand in the upcoming coaching changes. Fox looks as though he will be through in Chicago and Marvin Lewis has announced he will hang them up at the end of the season. More changes to come. So, Nagy best continue to update his resume.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      The success Pederson has had in Philly can only help Nagy’s quest to become a HC.

      • berttheclock

        I wonder if Mike Lombardi, who was with the Eagles at one time, will stop his seemingly eternal quest to trash talk Pederson. He has harped for months about how Pederson was a terrible hire and was out of his depth.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          I would think he’s finding it incredibly difficult to back up that kind of talks with facts.

          • berttheclock

            Yes, but, he continues to always add how many SB rings he has.

          • a not so “class act”.

    • ladner morse

      I could see Nagy in CIn but no so much in Chi town.

  • berttheclock

    Pat, whose new flame is Hunt, mentioned something to me about how well Hunt appears to relax his body when he hits the turf. She said it looked as though he had learned how to protect himself.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      He must have studied Marcus Allen, as Allen said that learning to completely relax his body on contact was one of the major reasons of his career’s longevity.

      • berttheclock

        Geez, I am really feeling elderly. I still recall the day I sat in the LA Coliseum watching both Marcus Allen and John Elway play against each other their senior years.

        • well hell, you are old then huh? Allen’s travails at Oakland, and how he handled it was a great example of maintaining “cool”. In KC? He demonstrated what type of man and player is and was.

  • ladner morse
  • ladner morse
    • PaulFromNorthMo

      There is no way to spin that and not be impressed!

      • ladner morse

        Had me laughing… I mean… why would you want to spin it. And then i realized that there are those who like to spin everything positive into a negative.

        Hehe. Thanks….

        • larry mckinney

          At least one Chiefs fan here is the inverse of Mom’s old wisdom, “if you can’t say sometime nice….”

          • Laurels and limitations

            …say it louder?

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    • Laurels and limitations

      Just and awesome year from Hunt so far. I’m not crazy about the carries being taken over 20 on any given game but I also understand that running the ball to win out the game is necessary. Reid/Nagy actually brought West in late in the game to spell out Hunt some..that was a good call.

  • ladner morse

    4.25 will beat 4.57 e-v-e-r-y s-i-n-g-l-e t-i-m-e.

    Keep bringing it Chargers!
    .
    https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/942282053592211456

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      The funny part was watching Hayward completely shutting it down before the 20.

      • ladner morse

        That’s partially because players don’t want to be caught in the video picture when they’re re-wathcing the game with the team looking on, as the other guy crosses the goal line… even though every one knows who was responsible for it.

  • ladner morse
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    • ladner morse

      It’s been reposted that when Hali did this… some fans were mad about it.

      Does this make you mad?

      I think it’s totally cool. The guys are helping each other in the offseason all the time anyway.

  • ladner morse
    • Laurels and limitations

      Ha, Seth has a valid point here about this ONE tackle but I see that he felt the need to omit the TWO 1st downs given up by Peters due to Marcus shying away from tackling. Keysor’s post is the epitome of showcasing the good by flat out ignoring the bad.

  • ladner morse
    • berttheclock

      Interesting that on one play by Hunt, he became involved with a LB or corner who was from Akron. A few years back, few NFL scouts even considered scouting the league those teams were in

  • ladner morse
    • berttheclock

      There was one play by Ekeler which really stood out. Whisenhut put in a misdirection play with Ekeler cutting back behind the QB to take a hand off, then, cut through a huge hole for a big gain.

  • Ron Widman

    All in all a well played game. I too was concerned concerned with the play calling at the end of the first half. I would have liked to see a more killer attitude from Nagy especially with 2 timeouts. Chargers march for a td the beginning of second half was a head scratcher as the middle of the field was wide open, including the throw to the plodding gates. DJ you the man but and I hate to say this it is time to ride into the sunset. Although that hit you put on the beast still my favorite tackle of the year! Otherwise, the defense was great and MP came out to play. Anybody see how revis did? Havent rewaetched the game but seems like he has had 2 good games in a row! That could be huge in the playoffs. This team is so bipolar. 5 great games followed by nothing better to say then a big mess of poo, then 2 great games. They are definitely trying to put me in the grave earlier than I want.

    • berttheclock

      Seth Kysor wrote about the play of Revis just this week. He said that while Revis no longer has the great recovery speed to chase wide outs who may have juked him out in the first place, he brings experience to the position by knowing where to play and he doesn’t make many mistakes. No, he is no longer an island to himself, but, he is highly functional and as he gets even stronger after shaking off the rust, he is an asset who may well fit being kept on the upcoming March 1st roster.

      • larry mckinney

        Yeah, but he’s not a $10 million guy.

        • ladner morse

          Maybe not $10M but… who would you rather dish out $10M for… an under performing DL Like Bennie Logan or a tailing off super star CB who can hold down that side of the fried? With attitude I might add. Did you see him jawing at Rivers during the game.

          • larry mckinney

            I’d like ‘em both on my team. But not for $10M. And doesn’t everybody jaw at the Trash-Talker-In-Chief?

  • berttheclock

    David, below, you asked about if anyone might be moving up to take control of the offensive line. Consider Cory Matthaei, who began 5 years ago as a quality control coach for the Chiefs. Then, two years back he was promoted to assistant QB coach, then, last year, the duties were added to replace Chung as the assistant O-line coach.

  • berttheclock

    Hey Laddie, have you checked out over at AP their thread about the new Tyreek Hill peace sign T-shirt?

    • ladner morse

      Yes. I like the idea but the design leaves a little to be desired. Pretty cool idea though!

      • berttheclock

        How about one that only says “See ‘ya”?

  • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

    Meanwhile…….Nick Foles with 4 TDs so far on the day for the Eagles.

    • berttheclock

      Also, did you see how well the ST coach has done for them? He was the ST coach for the Niners between ’08 and ’10. Chip Kelly hired him in 2013 and in 2014, he was recognized as having the best STs in the league. However, what his unit did today is truly exceptional. They have blocked a punt, an extra point and a FG, all of this today against the Giants. His name is Dave Fipp, who was an exceptional ST player in college.

    • berttheclock

      BTW, his backup at QB is a Modesto, CA HS product who went to Indiana.. Nate Sudfled is six six and slender and was a 6th round pick by the Redskins. 3rd string, but, ended up being cut due to inconsistency. Picked up by the Eagles this year and placed on their PS. Elevated to backup after Wentz went down.

      • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

        Wow thats cool, I didn’t know that, I live very close to Modesto in a small town called Manteca.
        Hopefully for the Eagles sake, Foles doesn’t go down also……the Eagles are the toast of the NFC and that would be a lot of pressure on Sudfled.

  • berttheclock

    An exceptional returner for the Rams, Pharoh Cooper, has put the Rams into a 2 TD lead over the Seahawks. Why do I mention him? Because, he was a 4th round selection in 2016 and at the time, Ben Almquist was with AA and, as he is from the Citadel, followed South Carolina football. He wanted Dorsey to draft Cooper. There was talent in that round.

  • Jeff Morton

    Looking at the remaining schedules, looks like Bal is our most likely 1st round opponent assuming KC doesn’t flop. How do you all feel about that?

    • berttheclock

      As long as the current team can stay healthy and the Chiefs enter the playoffs with the attitude of win one game at a time, then, fine.

  • Jeff Morton

    Also, who is everyone rooting for: Pit or NE? Which would you rather see 2nd round if we got that far?

    • berttheclock

      Funny you ask that. I was wearing my Chiefs’ red hoody at a local grocery store earlier today. The cashier asked me about last night’s game. She knew a lot about it and congratulated me. However, then, she said her husband’s favorite team is the Steelers. As I told her, that is one team the Chiefs have a great deal trying to beat. That is, whenever Big BIg both begins and ends a game for them against us. If he gets injured, that is another story.

  • heavens: The Hawks lost their poise. 40-0 more than 1/2 way through the 3rd Q. Meanwhile, Pats and Steelers going heavy at each other.

  • noting KP-L’s injury in the game, want to note that Jarvis Jenkins also left the game with an injury. No status known at this moment. Ragland also had a stinger but came back to finish the game.

  • tm1946

    Just got back in town…. anyone comment Logan dropping into pass coverage, yet?

    I get the reason just doubt he is the guy to drop into the middle with crossing/slant routes open to run by him?

    • berttheclock

      Strange you mention it. I wondered at the time seeing him tackle someone down field and out to the sideline.

  • berttheclock

    Everybody “KNOWS” that to win in the NFL, you must have an elite QB who can be a gunslinger. NO TEAM can win by running, eh?

    Look at the Rams and Seahawks. The Rams have ground pounded for 224 yards and Seattle has been held to only 58. Guess who is absolutely running (pun intended) away with the game?

    • ladner morse

      40-7?

      Amazing.

      • berttheclock

        That draft class of 2015 looks pretty pretty good (as Larry David would say), doesn’t it? Both Todd Gurley and Melvin Gordon going early with Marcus Peters to the Chiefs a short bit later?

        • berttheclock

          I remember at the time, there was a Gurley camp and a Gordon camp. Neither really started that well their first year, but, both are rolling at present.

  • berttheclock

    In the Giants loss to the Eagles, the Giants threw for 429 yards. They Eagles only threw for 233. The Eagles ran for 108 to the Giants 75.

  • berttheclock

    Then, of course, you have QBs such as Cam Newton and Taylor of the Bills who can, also, hurt you with their running. Even Aaron Rodgers took off today for some yardage. What really hurt Rodgers though was throwing 3 picks.

  • berttheclock

    Should be noted that the record by a rookie RB Hunt broke last night, was set 36 years ago by Joe Delaney.

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      I was glad for Hunt….but at the same time a little sad.

  • berttheclock

    The 12th Man is becoming extremely quiet at the moment. Late in the 4th quarter, the Rams have just added a safety to their 40 points.

    Also, with two minutes remaining, the Niners are leading the Titans by 2. Word is Roger Goodell has been asked to break up the Niners as they are becoming a juggernaut. Geez, and they didn’t even draft a QBOTF, did they?

    • berttheclock

      Oops, the Titans have come back to go ahead with about a minute left. One thing really hurt the Niners earlier in the game when a RB did not wrap up the ball heading into the end zone and fumbled.

      The Steelers made some late mistakes and Brady pulled it out for the Pats.

  • Delaware Chief

    I wasn’t sure which team to root for in the Steeler-Patriot game, but ended up settling on the Patriots. I do not like either team, but Pittsburgh has some very dirty players and I am not a big fan of Mike Tomlin. Besides that, many Steeler fans in my area, and there are a lot, can be rather obnoxious

    • berttheclock

      I feel the same way about many 12th Man fans of the Seahawks living around me.

  • Jeff Morton

    I see the Steelers are upset about their TD catch being called incomplete. I wonder how they’d feel about a ghost holding call bringing back a tying 2 pt conversion?

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      Mic drop!!

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