Silver Linings To A Cat Excrement Sandwich

Well that was the worst thing ever. I’m still too mad to talk about it much. The Chiefs got screwed by the refs, and fans got screwed by the Chiefs. It is what it is. In the end, losing this game was the best thing that could have happened to the Chiefs. Even though it hurt… hurts… and will continue to hurt year after year till sweet apathy saps the pain away, this loss was a good thing. Here’s why:

The first step is to admit you have a problem: If Chiefs somehow came back to win this game, it would have glossed over a persistent problem. Luckily the Chief can’t ignore their issues now. There are plenty of complaints from the awful defense to the bad play-calling, but the bottom line is: the Chiefs are mentally weak. They don’t close games strong, they often don’t open strong either. K.C. is a rhythm team that struggles when things don’t go right. If they had recorded Chumbawamba’s classic hit: Tubthumping (‘I get knocked down, but I get up again) it would have been about two seconds long and consisted of the phrase: “I get knocked down.” This loss forces Chiefs to take a long look in the mirror and get things under control. That’s going to mean new leaders on the team and new leaders on the coaching staff.

Draft Position: Chiefs have few picks and this also looks to be a down year in the draft. That said, every little bit helps. If the Chiefs are to come away with anyone helpful from the 2018 class, picking a few spots higher can certainly help.

Smith’s Performance: While the Chiefs looked totally inept on offense in the 2nd half, most of that fell at the feet of people not named Alex Smith. K.C. is entering their rebuilding phase (a phase they should have entered after 2016 when their championship window closed) and they need Smith to bring a nice pick in trade. Mahomes may not be any better than Smith, but early returns show he could be just as good for about $16M less per year.

Getting Healthy For Next Year: The Chiefs were dealt some tough blows, losing both Kelce and Jones in the game, and some other key role players the previous week. This team was never going to go the distance. By losing, they avoided any serious injuries that could linger into next year.

Earlier Resolution to Coaching Dilemmas: Bad teams get a jump on hiring the best coaches. By losing, the Chiefs will have more options available to replace the guys they’ve lost. We saw this in action last year, when K.C. ended up having to fill David Culley’s spot with Greg Lewis, because there just weren’t that many guys out there.

However you slice it, a cat scat sandwich is a cat scat sandwich. In the end though, losing is what losers do, and that’s what the Chiefs are. A win would have been fun in the moment, but it would’ve just set us up for the next disappointment. Now, we can all move on to more productive things like banging our heads against the wall, or collecting bellybutton lint. Go Chiefs. Sigh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Ransom Hawthorne

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Ransom Hawthorne is an electrician living in central KS. He's married and has two young boys. Born in KS, and raised in Tucson, Ransom spent his middle school years in southern Mexico.
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  • berttheclock

    Ransom, you say the Chiefs are not mentally tough. I would say they are far from being physically tough. Last year’s play offs showed how both sides of the KC line continued to be pushed backwards. Yesterday, the very physical offensive line of the Titans man handled the defensive front of KC. Then, after the Chiefs were able to get the lead, their defensive line began to push the Chiefs O-line backwards, which allowed the Titans to blitz effectively. Meanwhile, Dontari Poe had 3 tackles and one assist against the Rams.

    Unless, you follow the NBA, you may not know much about George Karl, the former player and HC in the NBA. Over many years, he racked up 1175 wins with 824 losses, a record of .588 per cent winning. Yet, in the NBA playoffs, he lost in the 1st round 13 times and only reached the NBA Finals once and he lost there as well. Look at Andy Reid’s record of .602 winning percentage. Yet, he has only won 11 times in the playoffs and has lost 13 times and he only reached the Finals once and he lost. I submit that Andy Reid is the NFL equal to George Karl.

    As Taylor Swift’s excellent parody of Andy Reid when he was with the Eagles, says, “You’ll never win it all win Andy”.

    However, yesterday, the quick whistle used by the highly inept and out of shape so-called NFL ref, Tripplete cost the Chiefs the win. But, I submit, the Chiefs were doomed the moment John Dorsey made his ill advised decision to move up from 27 to 10 and take the gun slinger “Savior”, PMII. That created a snow ball effect, which cost the team from rebuilding its defense and gave away draft picks to the Bills. Also, it meant by signing PMII to a much higher cost than a pick at 27 Dorsey had to not resign Dontari Poe. Poe with his back healed has helped the Atlanta defensive front into being far more physical. That is something the current Chiefs defensive front sadly lacks. Dorsey’s move has set back the Chiefs for a long time that, should Veach remain at the helm, will have a tough time solving. All of this nonsense of VIVA MAHOMES is pure garbage and very ill conceived. I am reminded of the many inept moves by Steadman/Schaaf and I firmly believe the Chiefs have been forced to relive that terrible era.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      You have some good points Bert, but I wish you would abandon the Poe thing. It makes no sense. It undermines the rational parts of your argument against Mahomes and yes there is an argument to be made that drafting Mahomes was a mistake.

      • berttheclock

        As I said above, after the extra financial cost of obtaining PMII, Dorsey had no choice but to cut his budget. That meant he had to move on from Poe. At the time, Poe’s back was healing. Here is the major problem of not having Poe. A healthy Poe was able to eat up two offensive linemen. After losing him, there was no one on the KC line who could do the same. When, you have such a linemen tying up two men, that allows others freedom. With Atlanta, both Grady Jarrett and one other d-lineman were able to get through to the QB.

        • larry mckinney

          Hope you can let it rest Bert. If not PMII some other first rounder would be getting first round bucks. Not much difference between 5Mil and 3Mil.

          • larry mckinney

            They were so strapped that Dorsey was correct in trading down while giving up picks. They certainly could not afford to sigh 9 new rookies. That was where they stood before the draft.

          • berttheclock

            It was also the signing bonus which was much different. However, add the fact we gave up the 91 which we could have used to take another potential player and we had to give up the important 1st round pick in 2018. At 27, we could have added Tre’Darius White, the excellent DB from LSU who went to the Bills and picked off 4 passes, one of which was against us. He would have been over all cheaper than what Revis would want come next March 1.

          • larry mckinney

            Cannot think Revis is on the team next year at, what, the 9Mil team option next year. He gone for those numbers. Enjoy your private island in The Caribbean son.

          • Chiefly Bacon

            Signing bonus gets stretched out over multiple years of cap hit though. Mahomes cost marginally more this year and, once Smith leaves, he’ll actually wind up saving them a ton of cap space. Chiefs didn’t cut people because they drafted Mahomes, they drafted Mahomes so they wouldn’t have to cut people. The contracts of Eric Berry and Bennie Logan had a far greater impact on Chiefs’ abilty to re-sign Poe than the paltry 4.1m a year Chiefs will be paying Mahomes. Compare that to the 20m a year Smith will be making on his next contract and you’ll see that Mahomes saves us 47.7m over the next three years.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      Perhaps the best case for Mahomes, that you could appreciate, is his ability to ad-lib. Smith is an excellent QB and executes the plays he’s given. When Reid’s calling those plays, though, it’s often not enough when the game is on the line. Mahomes is the guy you want if you hate Andy Reid, but know he’s not going anywhere, because when Reid’s awful play breaks down, Mahomes will make his own way. Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn’t, but if you believe that Reid is the reason Chiefs will never win it all, then you need a QB who will go off-script early and often.

    • Tazmosis

      Well said, Bert. But as Samuel L Jackson said in the movie Pulp Fiction, (just before he blew some poor sap out of his chair), “oh, but let me retort”. As to Dorsey allowing Poe to leave, he was looking at a player who had a back problem that wasn’t getting any better. And for a 346 pound nose tackle, that ain’t good. But hindsight is always 20/20, and it worked out for Atlanta, not so much for the Chiefs. As to your take on Mahomes, from many points of view, the Chiefs needed to move on from Smith, and I believe it was the right move. Let’s say that they stand still in the draft, and get a middle LB, or maybe a starting corner, safety, or an O-lineman. Are they any better now? They are still left with Alex Smith at QB, and now needing to look at drafting one in 2018. That means they would have to do now what they have already done, move up into at least the top ten, maybe higher. And in 2018, there appears to be maybe three QB’s even close to NFL ready. And that is a stretch. To get Rosen or Darnold, Veach would have to give up the farm. With Mahomes, even in limited playing time, it would appear that the Chiefs may indeed have their QBOTF. Starting out with him, knowing that he is your guy, can be huge going forward. Smith has taken this team as far as possible, given his limitations. As well as he played in the first of this latest debacle, he was not up to the task when the game was on the line. So, what’s new? And if you look at it from strictly a fans viewpoint, as Danny Divito said in a movie with the same title, “What’s the worst that could happen”?

    • Laurels and limitations

      It’s “VIVA LA MAHOMES”, get it right then feel free to use it.

      Logan signed for the same monies as Poe would have cost. The exact same amount.

      Steadman is long gone, and so is the man who employed him.

      The snowball effect started back when Dorsey used up all the salary space and the high draft picks turned into low draft picks. KC went into the 2017d draft in the red already.

      Here’s the link to spotrac but I know that you have problems with facts, numbers and being cognitive in general so I’ll spell it out for you….there are 13 players making more than VIVA LA MAHOMES in 2018 (for now, lol).

      Oh, and Taylor Swift didn’t actually sing that parody, i.e an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect:

      You typed all that crap, and it’s well….crap.

  • berttheclock

    Years ago in conflict in the Middle East, as a reserve Colonel in the North Carolina NG, Jeff Triplette may have been in some sort of physical shape, but, looking at his huffing and puffing yesterday showed a man who had grown older and was very much out of shape. Add the fact that over the years, he has been involved in some of the most inept officiating ever allowed in the NFL and he should have been retired by the NFL. From hitting the late Orlando Brown in the eye with a weighted flag to calling a fake spike by Peyton Manning a spike, from causing the NFL to bring in the NHL system of replays due to his miscalling a play at the goal line, to countless others, Jeff Triplette, who, now resides in Utah with his tech company, should be never allowed to officiate another NFL game. In the goal line decision, he first ruled a runner down by contact before reaching the goal line. Then, he reversed his decision by saying he had reviewed the play and saw no contact. However, he failed to review another view showing there had been contact. This led to the league meeting and they came up with using the NHL system for reviews. Jeff Triplette is a major disaster.

    • berttheclock

      Also, in NG circles, rank and grade are often not based on meritocracy, but, more on political connections.

  • berttheclock

    Mr Hunt, please use a clean broom to make a clean sweep of the KC coaching staff from top to bottom.

    I want to see some of that old President Harry S Truman of “The Buck Stops Here”. Tired of seeing owners have their HC fire many on his staff without firing the man in charge as well. As the old adage from the Russians says, “The fish rots from the head”. If the assistants are really inept, that means their so-called leader is inept as well and, perhaps, more so.

    • berttheclock

      Have the many many many “Mea Culpas and we have to do better” begun?

      • Tazmosis

        Exactly 13 minutes after meltdown. Quite nearly a record. And, as Andy and Mularkey were giving there post game hugs, I swear I heard Mularkey tell Andy, “Hey, thanks Andy. I think you may have saved my job”. To which Andy replied, “no problem, Mike. It’s what I do. You aren’t the first, and won’t be the last”.

    • freshmeat62

      Lil Clark needs to start a little higher than the coaching staff w/ that broom, himself! When he has both the GM and HC report directly to him, he’s made himself the real GM. Look at Jerry Jones in Dallas. How’s that working out since he got rid of the football guy, Jimmy Johnson. Just because daddy started a football league doesn’t mean he knows squat about football, or how to judge people that know football. When he finally got someone that did know, he gets his panties in a wad, throws a hissy fit, and fires him…and gives the perennial ‘almost but not quite’ coach an extension…thus wasting his grandpa’s fortune won in a poker game. Knowing what I’ve heard about those Hunts, he probably had an Ace up his sleeve. Which begs the question, have any of these Hunts ever had a real job. I know Lil Clarks uncles tried some kind of swindle in the silver market once.

    • Tazmosis

      Can’t disagree, But we are probably stuck with Reid for 4 more years. Don’t see Hunt eating the remaining money on his contract. I know it is redundant, be we were all warned by the Philly fans when Reid was hired. He is doing exactly what they said he would do, but worse.

  • PaulFromNorthMo

    I have yet to watch the game. I caught a few glimpses, I saw Kelce’s TD, and then the end of the game. Once again, when it really matters, a Sutton defense can’t stop anyone. Way too many players attempt to hit instead of tackle.

  • Chiefly Bacon
    • ladner morse

      Potentially?

      • Chiefly Bacon

        Titans ran the clock out to win the game, but they had the ball with 2 minutes or so left. Very possible they could have still driven down and scored a TD to win the game.

        • ladner morse

          But the Chiefs could have been trying to run the clock out themselves if they already had the lead.

          • Chiefly Bacon

            Seems like that’s what they were trying to do the entire second half. They ran 21 total plays, 9 of those on the last drive. If Chiefs had been trying to run clock off, they probably would have run less clock off than they did trying to score.

    • berttheclock

      Strange thing about some of the ST play. Look at the newly acquired Reaser. He cost the Chiefs twice. Once, on a senseless shove of a player who was already out of bounds. Then, on the running into the KC punter, it was another violation by Reaser which offset the penalties. However, on the late fumble recovery down field, it was Reaser who came up with the ball.

  • PaulFromNorthMo

    I knew I didn’t want to watch the Chiefs game, so I watched Atlanta beat the Rams. The Falcons have a good D-line, but they have young, fast LBs and several good DBs. Plus they have several WRs and more than one TE that can catch. Something Dorsey failed to give us.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      Good choice.

  • ladner morse

    I agree with both Ransom and Bert. I heard Hill say after the game that they let up in the second half… so there’s your mental “toughness.”

    Like Bert, I think the OL and the DL are weak. In fact… the weakest links. I have complaints about both crews… but, I’ve been preaching for years that the OL needs to be completely made over so they can have a “juggernaut” OL. The major difference between the 2003 team and this one is the OL. Until the team puts together the best OL around… we’ll never know what the playmakers (QB, TE, WR, RB) can really do.

    The DL needs another Poe. Why they let him walk is a mystery. Until you have a man who can’t be moved… what do you have?

    • Chiefly Bacon

      Poe’s departure isn’t really a mystery. He wasn’t happy with the contract offers he got in free agency so he took a prove it deal. The point of a prove it deal is to try to improve your value for the next contract. If playing with the Chiefs didn’t get his value to where he wanted it, why would he take a prove it deal with the Chiefs?

      • ladner morse

        Because the previous year… he could have been re-signed for a song.

        • Chiefly Bacon

          Which is another reason to not want to come back to KC. Chiefs overworked him till his back gave out. Not many DTs take that kind of a snap load, let alone NTs.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      I can sorta agree with that, but two of the best OLs (supposedly) are Dallas and Oakland. Where did that get them.
      IMO, we need more speed on defense with guys that can tackle and receivers that can catch.

      • Chiefly Bacon

        Physical toughness without mental toughness doesn’t show up. Chiefs OL is plenty big enough and plenty strong enough to get the job done. Much like the Cowboys and Raiders, though, they are often too complacent.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          You could very well be correct. So does that fall on the individual players or coaching? If players, then Dorsey did a poor job of selecting OL-men. But I tend to think it’s coaching and past time for Heck to go.

          • Chiefly Bacon

            It’s some of both, but better coaching could fix both as well. Heck should’ve been fired long ago.

          • freshmeat62

            Coaching!

        • berttheclock

          I do not believe the OGs are strong enough.

          • freshmeat62

            I’d like to see Morse go to LG and leave Fulton at C. But most important get a new line coach. Now that they’re out of the playoffs, they can have their pick of o-line coaches. I think most position coaches are on 1 year contracts, so find the best one out there and pay him top dollar.

            And yes hit the weight room. And simplify their schemes so their plays don’t look like a flow chart for the space shuttle.

          • Chiefly Bacon

            I think they are, but it’s all about technique and Heck isn’t schooling them well. Just like a WR who’s really fast, but can’t run routes, all the strength in the world does you no good if your footwork, blitz recognition, hand placement and communication are out of whack. Especially when you employ tall OL, like Chiefs do.

          • berttheclock

            I don’t believe the so-called wide out coach brought over from Philly has really developed any of the younger wide outs.

          • Chiefly Bacon

            Coming around to your way of thinking on that. Think Chiefs signed him at the time because their weren’t many other options available.

      • berttheclock

        Injuries affected both of those OLines. When, the Cowboys lost their excellent LOT, DAK was exposed and it even hurt their running game. Oakland, also, had injuries during the year.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          Injuries affect every single team to some extent, including the Chiefs OL this year as well, right from the very first game.

    • Laurels and limitations

      A team could spend 10 years trying to put together the best 0 and D lines and it never work out. Meanwhile, the rest of the team suffers.

  • Delaware Chief

    I agree with the discussion about the lines. On offense when it is third and short they usually have to scheme some play up like the option to make it, and of course that failed miserably yesterday. They need to be able to play power football when necessary and often cannot do that. A lot of that is on Coach Reid because he had a similar problem with the Eagles. Defensively,we knew a team that could run the ball well would be a challenge and it sure showed up yesterday. I have always been a supporter of Bob Sutton,but if you keep having the same problems it is usually a combination of personnel, scheme and coaching. I do think it is time to get a new defensive coordinator, you can’t keep having the same problems year in and year out and not make changes.
    How many of you when Butker lined up for the field goal knew he was going to miss. With the Chiefs history of good kickers(not including you kicker who shall not be named) coming up short in the playoffs I knew it was going to be a miss. My son and I just looked at each other before the kick and both knew that was going to happen.

  • freshmeat62

    The play that knocked Kelce out. Since when is a helmet to helmet not a 15 yd penalty? and as bad as that was, an ejection? They replayed that thing half dozen times, and the announcers didn’t say boo about it. I can understand Gruden not wanting to get the officials all riled up against him since he’s going to be working w/ them next year, but nobody said anything.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      As much as I hate to say it, I don’t think the Titans player was going for his head. Think he was going for the fumble, or going low in case his guy didn’t finish the tackle. If he goes high, and the other defender misses the tackle, Kelce runs him over. Think it was just a bang bang play and head to head was inadvertent.

  • freshmeat62

    The announcers said that the officials are the best, they are the ‘all stars’ of all of the officials in the league. It’s suppose to be an honor to be chosen to do one of these games.

    I did a little figuring. There are 32 teams meaning 16 games a week, meaning 16 crews. There are 11 playoff games total. So 2/3 of the officials are judged worthy. Well heck, that’s almost like giving out ‘participation trophies’ to little leaguers.

    We obviously got the #11 crew. They should at least know the rules. “Forward progress stopped!”. Even the so called expert on TV didn’t know the rules and was agreeing that the officials made the right call.

    Announcers, officials, Chiefs/Chokers…this whole game was a ‘cluster &$(#’!

  • PaulFromNorthMo

    A couple outcomes from yesterday, the Bills will get a draft pick a few spots sooner than they were expecting and some of our assistant coaches will be leaving sooner than we had hoped.
    If Toub goes to Indy (as some expect), maybe he’ll take Sutton and Heck with him. I wonder what that would cost us to make them a package deal.

  • freshmeat62

    My prognostication/my fervent wish, is that we’ve seen the last of Bob Sutton, Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, Alex Smith, Dee Ford, Frank Zombo, Phillip Gaines, Eric Murray, and C.J. Spiller, with the Chiefs next year.

    Sutton – we need new blood, new ideas
    Johnson and Hali – love them both to death, but neither is a shell of what they were, and Chiefs need their money.
    Smith – thank him, he’s done well for the Chiefs, but he and Mahomes on the same team, one is a waste when there are so many needs, and the Chiefs need his money
    F(ix) O(r) R(epair) D(aily) – just go away, Dorsey’s biggest blunder
    Zombo – Just not very good
    Gaines – too many injuries, penalties
    Murray – too small to be a safety, does have some coverage skills, maybe he could replace Gaines as CB???
    Spiller – hopfully the Chiefs aren’t in the situation to have to call him.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      I agree with most of this, I would add Toub and Heck to the list of coaches to disappear. Murray and Zombo are still under contract for next year, are decent backups and not costly. They’re just not starting caliber players.

  • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

    I understand it’s a moot point and I am simply beating a dead horse at this point, but how many seasons have to end with us taking sizable first half leads only to allow the opposing team to come back?

    At what point do people realize it might not be the guys suiting up, but the Coaches on the sideline?

    I mean, come on…..another game where your QB puts up 200+ yards and orchestrates multiple scores in the FIRST half and zilch in the second.

    I don’t care what our roster looks like over the rest of the Reid/Sutton tenure……expect more of the same.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      I think it’s a culture problem. Chiefs playoff struggles started long before this coaching staff arrived. Look at Pittsburgh. They win because they have a winning culture and attitude.

      • freshmeat62

        How do you trade an owner?

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          I guess you could go purchase the Panthers and then attempt to trade him teams! lol

          • berttheclock

            A few years back, there were those who wanted to see the current owner of the Dallas NBA team buy the Chiefs.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            The Shark guy? Isn’t he a loose cannon in his own right?

          • freshmeat62

            Mark Cuban. My son met him at some shindig in Dallas a few years ago. Said he was a riot.

          • freshmeat62

            The thing about Cuban is that he’s not anyones patsy. I seriously doubt he’d be Goodell’s puppet.

          • Laurels and limitations

            He doesn’t seem like a long term type of guy….he strikes me as the sort that will stick with it only long enough to turn a quick buck. Then again, he’s owned the Spurs for quite some time though, but I have to keep in mind that the NBA draws more money than the NFL.

          • freshmeat62

            A local guy that some wanted to buy the Royals a few years ago was this Patterson that owned Cerner and started Sporting KC the soccer team. Unfortunately he died a few weeks ago. I believe Sporting was originally the Wizards owned by Hunt. Sporting has become one of the top MLS teams in the country, so they know how to put together a winning organization. Would like to see them do the same w/ Chiefs.

      • PaulFromNorthMo

        From what little I saw yesterday, there seemed to be a lot of empty seats. People just expect the Chiefs to lose in the playoffs.

        • freshmeat62

          They were saying up to game time that there were lots of tickets for sale. I understand Stub Hub was discounting them for as low as $35. That kind of surprised me.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            It’s bad enough to be disappointed when it’s 70 degrees out. When you’re freezing your butt off, it’s a 1000 times worse.

          • freshmeat62

            When I heard that $35 yesterday, I told my wife I might go buy a ticket. But then I see the temp at 30, and the wind blowing, and the last 2 times I went to Arrowhead, the noise made me physically sick, and that was when I was in my 50’s. I’m 73 now, it might kill me.

          • berttheclock

            A year or so back, I mentioned to Laddie about my wish to come back as I left KC before Arrowhead was built and I have never been there. Sort of a bucket list thing. Laddie told me the last time he had been there, a new practice had been installed by the fans and that is always standing. He told me that had really bothered him having to stand so much.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            It can definitely get loud there.

          • larry mckinney

            Stay away. If not the weather, the action of the field could get ya.

      • Laurels and limitations

        Pittsburghs EX-dc- coordinator was on the Titan’s sideline doing DC stuff….it’s not coincidental that the Titan’s D stayed focused the entire game….Lebeau is the EF Hutton of the NFL.

  • larry mckinney

    There’s luck, there’s bad luck, then there’s Chiefly bad f’&”@ing luck. If a malicious god were to curse the Chiefs with two injuries, which two would be worse than Kelce and Jones? That god would throw a Triplette too.

    Cannot put a positive spin on this mess. Agree with virtually everyone here. The more housecleaning the better. Thank you Alex, you’re a fine man but goodbye. Get rid of every player over thirty (unless Berry is that old), every coach’s son, Sutton, etc. I will vote for retention of Biennemy, Nagy, and, and, and, Berttheclock.

    Okay, stay positive. With a few lucky bounces we draft 21st, instead of 32nd. Right?

    • larry mckinney

      Team needs a Coughlin.

    • berttheclock

      Thanks. I have been looking forward to spending far more time playing the horses at off track. Love the racing from Santa Anita.

      • berttheclock

        Also, my wife and I are going to have to find a new place to live. About 4 years ago, we moved into an over 55 complex of older manufactured homes. At the time, ownership was excellent as the lady who owned the place really loved her position and made sure to keep costs down. However, other family members were involved, so, when, an outside group came in with a huge offer, she sold to them. After they bought the complex, they have done nothing but keep raising the rent. We own our home, but, they own the land underneath it. Plus, they have been putting into place boiler plate new rules and regs which are of some Nazi (Read Mormon into this as they are a Mormon family) varities. No this, no that, do this and you will be kicked out, etc. They even put in a new clause which calls for arbitration should any of us try to sue them. The major lesson learned is to always try to own the land upon which your home sits.

        Our fear is as many former owners have sold and moved out, it may well be harder to sell this property as the rents keep increasing and they are adding even more security deposits for potential new owners. Add the fact, that at any minute they could sell the complex to some developer who wants to put in apartments and then we would be stuck without any chance of selling. So, this coming month, Pat and I have to find somewhere to buy and get the hell out of Dodge.

      • drwillez37

        Got any tips??

    • drwillez37

      I agree I appreciate Mr.Alex Smith but it’s time for the kid!!!

  • berttheclock

    For a long time, I was very pleased with having John Dorsey as the GM. He was noted for finding gold in the bushes. But, recently, going over past drafts, I was surprised to see some of his so-called acumen not looking that good. For example, he made a trade down with Tampa Bay to pick up an extra draft choice. But, by doing so, he opted to take KeiVarare Russell and Eric Murray. The drafting of Russell meant he overlooked Byard, who was taken five picks later and just made the 1st Team All Pro. Russell ended up being cut for nothing and Murray has never proven to be that solid. Now, I know this is 20-20 hindsight, but, If you look at other places in his drafts, he spent far too much time on only looking for what he considered to be the best player available for a position of need and who he thought might fit his own system. What ended up happening was he did not end up with the best player available very often. Another miss was Dee Ford.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      Yep. Dorsey made some really great picks (Peters, Hill and Jones), but he had entirely too many whiffs. I’m hoping that Veach was behind some of the good picks and Chiefs will get better at drafting in the later rounds. 2016 draft is a perfect example of what you got with Dorsey: two home runs and a bunch of strike-outs. In his first year as GM, Veach has secured more talent at ILB than Dorsey ever did.

      • berttheclock

        His picking up Ragland was a major steal.

        • and Maybe Erving will prove out. We’ll see.

          • mnelson52

            I thought Erving did ok against Denver. I thought Ragland would start proving his worth next year but he really showed up this year. I think they both will get better with time.

          • We need to see more snaps but agreed, he did well v Broncos

    • No GM gets a perfect score that I know of.

      2013 [2 aces +] Here you count Smith but we have Fisher and Kelce as well.

      2014 [ no aces, solid starter, solid role player, washout #1 pick]’ LD-T built to a solid Guard, Ford a washout for a one pick. Fulton a basic journeyman unless he is playing center. He is our best muscle and bulldoze lineman. On another team he would be a startere at center. trying to remember, was there anyone else?

      2015[2 aces++ ] it had a lot of picks but the front end of it was a successful draft. Steven Nelson, Ramik WIlson and then two aces: Marcus Peters, ,MItch Morse. Oh, Forgot Conley.

      2016? [2 Aces plus++]This is a 2nd very successful draft: Chris Jones. Recall me writing about him? Anyway, I think you call that one an ace. who else: Ty Hill, Ehinger and Murray. So in this draft, you have two aces again, Hill and Jones. You saw the game yesterday and Robinson is from this draft — so here we saw him succeed and I have high hopes for him. He had big contributions in that game From this game, we will see an NFL receiver emerge in 2018. Didn’t jitter. Of course Hill was a gamble.

      2017[2 aces +?] Mahomes, Hunt and we’ll see.

      Anytime Dorsey chose a QB it was late in the draft. Total toss of dice. Hogan didn’t last and Aaron who was it lasted 2. Until Mahomes. iF this was indeed Dorsey’s pick, it has a shot at being the Ace of Aces. We won’t know til 2018 is well under way but he looks to be a top QBoF. Wish he would get an adult haircut.

      2014 was a basic miss with no picks you would call an ace. Each of the other drafts, you had 2 aces and more. This is my view. 2016 and 2017 may be the most important drafts and Dorsey is gone. I will be following the Browns now and especially Dorsey and the Draft. My HS Buddy lives in Cleveland and he can keep me informed about local stuff and what have you. `~~~~~~~““`

      • mnelson52

        Me too on the adult haircut and I wish Peters would just be an adult.

  • Here’s Chris Taylor, calling it Reid and Play-calling: https://kckingdom.com/2018/01/07/kansas-city-chiefs-play-calling-dooms-2017-season/

    I am not the only one who believes the problem in the game was play-calling.

    • berttheclock

      Yeah, George Karl, er, Andy is not the best caller, eh?

    • berttheclock

      Hey David, I know you are enroute back south, but, have you read any of the Craig Johnson, “Longmire” series of books? Now, in your Idaho days, you live next to the old Great Northern run and the locomotives used by that RR were far different than those required by the Union Pacific which had to make the long steep grades of Wyoming. They had to have steam power which was bigger than other railroads. The old Santa Fe RR had fewer long steep grades and they used less powerful, but, equally fast steam power. I am thinking of the 3759 which sits in a park in Kingman, Arizona. I happened to ride a train pulled by that same locomotive on a trip from KC to Kingman years ago.But, the reason I am asking you is Johnson has a new book out “Western Star” set in Wyoming and it features an existing monster of a steam engine, the “Northern” FEFseries by ALCO. it was a four-eight-four and the only one left which has never been retired by a railroad is the 8444 which is in the shops at Cheyenne, Wyoming. Funny thing about that long run across Southern Wyoming was the fact steam engines required re-watering every two hours of running, so, towns sprang up every two hours apart across the state around the watering stops. Just a bit of trivia for you. The book by Johnson, again, is named “The Western Star”.

      • berttheclock

        BTW, you can google that Union Pacific FEF “Northern” series engine and wiki has photos of it and the story behind the construction by ALCO of the series.

        • larry mckinney

          Did that. Twenty thousand gallons, it says. I will double check next time up there. Could be Chanber of Commerce-crafted figures. But, I am certain that’s what the historical marker says.

      • I Have read it. I am back home in Idaho about week but will slowly be selling off gear and equipment so that I move back to Tx by summer, hopefully. That said? Idaho’s Railroads had passengers through these mountains and it was favored route for that reason. Avery was a big stop on the way out — It had it’s own Chinese town, and was a huge logging community. By 1980 or there about they shut down the lines passing through the mountains and tunnels and vistas. The town dwindled from 1000 to 25, like that. The track roads are now roads for vehicles or bicycle tours, etc.

        The 1910 fires destroyed most of the area and many lives lost. By 1994 the last brothel was raided. This was at Wallace, ID, over on the other side of Moon Pass from Avery(closed in winter). Wallace is on I-90. Cute little town, tourist site, etc. Worth the stop.

        I will pick up Western Star. I read as a major pass-time.

      • larry mckinney

        One of those ‘lil puffers sits in a park in Cheyenne. Only four were ever made, says the sign. Used exclusively to haul coal from the western slope. Carried 1.5 million gallons of water, and an equally impressive amount of coal – for the locomotive, not the load. Almost as long as a football field. An impressive sight.

    • mnelson52

      I agree. Classic Reid forgetting to use his RBs again. JC and Ware can attest to that. I remember a couple of games where a RB would only get 3 carries the whole 2nd half

  • freshmeat62

    Looking forward to this game about to start, Buffalo @ Jacksonville. Many think these are the 2 teams most likely to want Alex Smith. Watch to which he would be the better fit.

    • berttheclock

      So far the reasoning has been for Buffalo is they want to both try to find a future QB and they need a mentor for him and the fact they want to use the WCO.

      • freshmeat62

        So far Jax looks like would benefit most. Bortels sucks!gt

        • larry mckinney

          Arizona??? Chiefs will give him a listen if they have similar deals approaching. Where would you like to move your family, Alex?

    • Chiefly Bacon

      Wouldn’t it be funny if Buffalo traded us back our first round pick for Alex?

  • berttheclock

    Perhaps the most frustrating thing for most KC fans is the fact Jeff Triplette was wrong in his 2 decisions to quick whistle. However, as we all know 345 Park Avenue will take their typical Tammy Wynette move of “Stand by your man” routine and the most anyone can expect is to see the league office put out a “Whoops” comment and something along the lines of “This may be addressed at the next league meeting about possible rule changes”

    • there were more calls to hate in this game. This one was huge. But case in point is the offense failed, the defense was on the field the whole 2nd half. Attrition hurt(Jones). I am thoroughly offended by Andy Reid and his coaching and his coaching staff.

  • berttheclock

    One thing often forgotten by many is why the so-called WCO was thought up in Cincy in the first place. The main reason was at the time, the team did not have a strong armed QB and the founders, including Walsh, wanted to put in a system which would allow a weaker armed QB to make quick throws. However, as Walsh refined the system in the Bay, he found out he could employ QBs such as Montana and after him, the new regime used Steve Young to throw with accuracy. It was never designed to be a gun slinging long passing system. Air Coryell refined it into more of a vertical longer passing system. Look back at some of the best days of Jerry Rice with the Niners and you will find he gained a great deal of yardage after he caught a pass. Yesterday, in the 1st half of play, the Chiefs receivers gained 130 YACs. That was cut down drastically in the 2nd half by both play calling and the loss of Kelce.

    So, if KC fans really want to see a far different offense by the Chiefs than the current WCO, they need to get behind dumping Andy Reid.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      We’ve all said for years that the one guy Chiefs can’t afford to lose for a game is Kelce. Proved 100% correct.

      • Jeff Morton

        Makes me wonder if TE shouldn’t be on our offseason wish list. Such a long list, so little $ and few draft picks. Sigh.

  • Stan Colbert

    Championship window? 2016? I think Mahomes can take these Chiefs to a 10-6 record. If KC can get a couple picks for Smith, they will have $17 million to spend on CB, DL, maybe a S. That could go a long way toward a wild card loss next year.

    • Chiefly Bacon

      I meant championship window with existing leadership: Smith, Hali, DJ etc. Chiefs do save a lot of cap space by trading Smith, but fans need to remember that Chiefs are already over the cap (due to next year’s contracts) till they cut people. Also, teams generally want to go into the season with about 10m in cap space so they can take advantage of cuts, or sign veterans when starters get hurt. Team isn’t going to have the cap space to be major players in FA this year. That could change next year though.

    • jimfromkcj

      Gentlemen, I can understand how many of you find it hard to deal with what happens on a regular basis with the Chiefs. I also wonder if you all ever look at the future and try to predict what is likely to happen. I was looking at what the Chiefs face in comparison with the division and added Cleveland because of the Dorsey factor. Let’s start with the cap. Over the cap has the Chiefs presently with a minus 4,824,812 dollar cap and dead money of 5,806,923 dollars. Raiders have 18,925,441 dollars and dead money of 2,018,441 dollars. Chargers have 28,973,986 dollars and dead money of 4,723,657 dollars. Broncos have 26,965, 120 dollars and dead money of 365,907 dollars. The Browns have110,849,880 dollars and dead money of 10,274,802 dollars. So you can see that the Chiefs are not in the best shape when compared with the Division and compared with the Browns are vastly underfunded. Now for the draft, KC has 6 picks overall but 3 of them are in the 6th and 7th rounds. The Raiders have 7 picks with 3 in the 6th and 7th rds. Chargers have 6 picks with 1 in 6th rd. Broncos have8 picks with 1 pick in 6th rd. Browns have 12 picks with 2 in 6th and 7th rds. This is the sad position the Chiefs are in both cap wise and draft wise for 2018.
      raiders have 7 picks

      • larry mckinney

        Thanks. Was already feeling like crap.

        • jimfromkcj

          Larry, when you finally get over drinking the kool aid the Chiefs and their co horts are dishing out and start thinking for yourself and doing your own research, the sooner you will be able to enjoy the games for what they are. Just entertainment. No life nor death.

          • larry mckinney

            Am just as capable as you with surfing the numerous sites that chip in many two cents worth. I choose to be a fan and look past the negatives sometimes. If you have a problem with that, go screw yourself.

      • Laurels and limitations

        Numbers are fun, I like numbers but when it comes to the salary cap those numbers are fluid, especially in KC’s case where they can shed about 5 players and free up 10s of millions…KC’s salary cap is fine if Veach wants it to be.

        I agree about the picks though, KC will be going into the draft wanting. That said, I’m not worried about the rest of the division having this or that. The rest of the division had this-or-that just last offseason and they still didn’t give KC a valid fight for the AFC West title. KC will fall off the top of the AFCW heap some day..but even with all the cards stacked against them it hasn’t happened yet during this regime.

  • berttheclock

    I used to believe the theme song for the Chiefs was the old gospel song turned into a version of early rock and roll, “This Train” or “Dis Train”. Begun as a gospel song in the ’20s, it became better known when Sister Rosetta Tharpe switched from acoustical to electric guitar in the late ’30s and recorded it. After than, many artists have come up with versions of it. In fact, in the movie about the life of Woody Guthrie, it was used as background and basis for his “Bound for Glory”. Now, that train was only supposed to carry the righteous and the holy, so, perhaps, in view of the KC train going into a long siding, must have had too many mid night gamblers and ramblers and n’eer do wells aboard.

  • berttheclock

    In as surprise move, the upper management of the Packers have named Brian Gutekunst to become their new GM. Eliot Wolf was the perceived front runner. Funny thing was the Texans had scheduled an interview with Gutekunst. Now, it appears, Wolf has become the odd man out of the equation.

    • berttheclock

      Now, for one of Laddie’s prized Kewpie Dolls, how many could name the year and position Brian Gutekunst had with the KC Chiefs? Gutekunst is 44 years old and Wolf is only 35. Younger blood taking over.

      One small clue is the HC of the Chiefs at the time was Marty.

      • berttheclock

        So, as in the coaching tree of Marty, there are any number of begats.

  • freshmeat62

    Both Buffalo and Jacksonville could need a QB, but I think Jax would benefit most. Where they are drafting the QB’s are going to be pretty well picked over. They have one of the best defenses now, a good RB, a couple of young receivers that may be pretty good if they have someone that can throw to them, and a pretty good young o-line. I think they need a veteran QB that can take them to the playoffs for the next several years while they try and find their QBOTF.

    Now how do we get word to Jax management that the answer to their getting into the playoffs the next few years wears no. 11 for the Chiefs?

    • larry mckinney

      They know.

      • Laurels and limitations

        Absolutely the Jags know, the question will be (assuming the Jags are indeed looking to bring in a stop-gap) is if Coughlin is willing to pony up for that much cash. Bortles being canned would save them 19 million, and they already have 23 million in cap space so they have lots of room to maneuver.

        • Jeff Morton

          I’d swap Bortles fro AS11 + 3 mil

  • drwillez37

    Now we dump Smith for a 1st rounder and then some. Get the top or 2nd top pass rusher in the draft. Then another defender and then another defender. I think Sutton is a very good coach but I really thing our coaching staff needs more youth. But Nagy and Toub most likely WON’T be here so who knows. Veach has his hands full

    • berttheclock

      Far too early for Mocks as one must consider the Senior Bowl, then, the Combine, then, the Pro Days, but, in one early Mock Walter Football has the Chiefs taking OO from OU at 89. He is the six one 240 LB with Edge speed

      I would spell out his name, but, can’t find my notes at the moment.

      • berttheclock

        That OU LB’s name is Ogbonnia Okoronkwo. However, Walter has just changed his mock and has the Chiefs taking the fast wide out from Oklahoma State, James Washington with their 3rd round pick. For their 2nd round pick at 57, Charlie Campbell has the Chiefs taking the DB from Maryland, J C Jackson.

        One other thing to note about Mocks is the fact players continue to announce their intentions to enter the draft. So, much will be in flux for awhile.

        • Laurels and limitations

          One other thing to note about Mocks, is that not even a single one ever has been close to correct…EVER. Much like your made up facts.

    • Laurels and limitations

      I want to meet the team that gives up a 1st for Smith, I got some land to sell them, lol.

  • Chiefly Bacon

    A team after dark. A must in the quest to move on: https://www.facebook.com/RedZoneExtra/videos/1408460799283409/?fref=mentions

  • Laurels and limitations

    Here’s a new one from Paylor with a few good tidbits in it…

    http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article193461124.html

  • Laurels and limitations

    Love it 😂 #ChiefsKingdom pic.twitter.com/oUH2IpWpRy— Brad Wingo (@ChiefVolFan20) January 8, 2018

    • Jeff Morton

      So, what, a takedown and hands to face in the same play. I don’t know what Hali did to the zebras, but that’s been his whole career.

      • Laurels and limitations

        There is a lot of misunderstanding when it comes to Hali being held as I’m sure you know. I’m too tired to look up the official rule but Hali’s patented rip move actually puts the o-line’s arm around his own neck somehow and therefore can’t be called for holding. This play here, was a damn hold, lol.

        • Jeff Morton

          I thought I saw a bad one on Houston late in the game when he got spun around, too. I’m not too worried about the no-hold calls. It’s part of the game and so much of it is subjective. I just hope it’s even: if we’re not getting the calls, I don’t want the other team to.

          • Laurels and limitations

            agreed there 100%, I grew up watching ball when both sides were allowed to play…this is all still too watered down for me.

          • Jeff Morton

            Take for example a certain holding call at the end of a playoff game last year that took a 2 pt conversion off of the board…

          • Laurels and limitations

            yup, a play that had absolutely nothing to do with the play in-hand.

          • Jeff Morton

            And wasn’t being called the previous 55 minutes. Damn, it’s hard to be a fan. I can only imagine what it’s like to be a player and see this crazy stuff year after year.

          • Laurels and limitations

            We see it more is the thing and that is what always kills me about Chiefs saying how hard it is..yeah, it’s their job(s) and all but some of these guys have only been Chiefs for a few months or a year.

          • Jeff Morton

            At least I had a few good years as a Ram fan when the went to the SB. I was born in 72 in CA and rooted for the Rams until Georgia moved the team. My fam had moved to KC by then and I started rooting for the Chiefs around ’85.

            Alright, man. I’m out. Night.

        • Jeff Morton

          I’m also not too bent out of shape by the call against Robinson. Gruden thought it was a bad call, and it probably was, but Robinson did have a handful of the guy’s jersey and once the ref sees that, it’s more than not going to get a flag.

          • Jeff Morton

            But the forward progress crap…

          • Laurels and limitations

            lmbo, yup..that’s a travesty.

          • Jeff Morton

            I mean, that’s just made up. I’ve been watching football for nearly 40 years. I’ve NEVER heard of a sack being blown dead for lack of forward progress. The dude is just making it up. WTF??!!

          • Laurels and limitations

            Yup, that aditi whats-her-koala was on twitter this morning giving triplet kudos and bashing KC all in the same tweet..I said the same thing about triplet making rules up then.

          • mnelson52

            About every sack stops the forward progress when they are hit that hard,,,lol. Yes that was as bad as a call can get and a game changer. DJ definitely earned a strip sack.

        • Jeff Morton

          This is actually why I was on Peters side when he kept getting called for hands to face against Allen last year. Keanan kept making a duck move as Peters was trying to bump him and his hands were then at the facemask. Whatcha gonna do?

          • Laurels and limitations

            yup, it’s a puck..but effective, move.

      • mnelson52

        Yep. That’s Hali so no foul

  • Jeff Morton

    I appreciated Peters’ in the tunnel: “S*, man. Where we going? Home?” That’s a guy who wants to win and did all he could to make it happen. We’re fools if we let him go–but maybe he’s a fool to stay if he wants to get to the SB.