The NSLU Dispatch: Inflated, Deflated and and Expressly Looking Forward

 

 

 

 

Inflated or Deflated?

Watching the NFC Divisional game had us witness an exciting contest that went down to the final 50 seconds… and Nick Foles, starting Eagles Quarterback, won a football game. The game was not without it’s errors but when I look at what this win meant to Philly, it was a huge victory. So my feelings were inflated, first for Nick Foles but then too, for Doug Pederson, whose first foray to post season sees him advance to the Championship round. This was, for me, a good feeling.

 

 

Meanwhile, it caused a bit of sour stomach due to the Chiefs failure to advance, whereas the Titans did so.

 

In the second contest, the Titans, under Mariota had tied the game up 7-7 against the lofty opponent, those devil worshiping evil doers who root for that New England team. So, I am not sure how I feel about that…. inflated because they at least evened the score up before falling behind 10-7 (and now 21-7) or deflated, because it should have had a team that wore the Red ‘n Gold taking on the Devil himself — Bill Belichick. Oh well.

 

What’s Left for the 2017 season for the Chiefs? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Let’s expressly look forward.

 

But How Can I Without Knowing About

Picks ‘n Players Acquired for Al Smith?

In various articles at ArrowheadOne this week, the topic arose in different forms: what would the Chiefs be able obtain in return for a top QB in the AFC? In truth, we cannot yet know how the Chiefs will face the music and dance the dance of the draft because we will not know for awhile, what is cooking in the various discussions that have or will occur internally and then externally with other organizations who would be interested in Al Smith under their center. I speculated for one questioner and came up with 3 possible teams in the AFC East alone. But that is mere speculation.

 

Snubbing and Subbing

Alex Smith was snubbed is what John Dillman wrote about in his Saturday Sum Up but got the nod after Philip Rivers stepped aside for the Pro-Bowl. I view it that way. Not to say that Rivers doesn’t deserve great platitudes but Al Smith had one heck of a season and should have been right there at the top of the selection process. He wasn’t and that is an insult.

 

A New Band of Angels

All hand-wringing has gone by the wayside and the Chiefs fans, certainly among our own host of angels who believe in their new savior, Patrick Mahomes, though I myself hesitate to call that acquisition a win-win — yet. From what we have seen however, it appears that PMII appears to be able to take on the role with fervor, success and aggressiveness. In which case, the new Offensive Coordinator for the Chiefs, Eric Bieniemy, who is known for his aggressiveness, could well make an immediate difference for the young Quarterback. That is, if Bieniemy can be successful in being a continuing force to keep Andy Reid doing head coach duty and leave the “driving” to the appropriate resource, namely, the Offense Coordinator. I am sure though, that there will be a great hue and cry for the new Band of Angels and the man at the helm. I have a reserved view of this, as my readers know, and I will defer to those with great knowledge and refrain from much critique in regard to the Supreme Commander of the Turf for KC — namely Andy Reid.

 

The Outlook for the Draft

It’s too early, for the reason previously mentioned, to even worry about mocking up a draft. The NFL Second season goes on til February. What possible trades for Al Smith remain a nebulous Nederland speculation and the underwear olympics have not taken place. We will have seen, the Shrine games of collegiate football by then so we will begin to see players who should interest us. The Chiefs have known weaknesses and exposures and without additional picks and monies, we will not be able to fill those needs without players from the Get a Guy Agency of the NFL.

 

What Are the Exposures?

Without providing an order of importance, I will identify, first of all, OLB and CB on defense, the trench positions on both sides of the ball, and a #2 QB. Many are going to say that we need to draft a wide receiver but as for myself, I believe that with Conley, Robinson and Wilson behind Hill, the Chiefs have sufficient speed, knowledge of the offense and playbook, and a gathering of experience among all the named players of the subject.

 

Too, I am very concerned about the #2 Quarterback, not being a TBB*. I think, no, that is the wrong choice of words. I believe in my heart, that some acquisition here is necessary. Thinking about today’s games? Nick Foles proved that the #2 QB is very important.

 

The list of exposures can be partially solved in a draft but if the Chiefs are to solve problems at Cornerback and probably at OLB, they will need a miracle of the draft or two… plus an emergence of Tanoh Kpassagnon at OLB out of the gate in 2018.

 

Is There A Known Unknown?

All of the above notice regarding Wide Receivers is my view of the likely personnel. But this week there was a piece written about a particular WR on the Chiefs Practice Squad from 2017 — his name is Gehrig Dieter. I knew about this player and his relationship as a favorite target of Patrick Mahomes. It did not strike me, in knowing this, that this might be a factor of the GM and HC in sliding a known commodity through the NFL acquisition game where players are “stolen” from the practice squads of other teams. Then I thought about what was written and became intrigued by the idea and sure enough, Dieter was a very successful player in HS and College and was a favored target of Mahomes at the same time. I hope that this speculation is a factor where the Chiefs knew the unknown and no one else did. That might be a very important factor down the road. This is especially true in light of the fact that Ty Hill has emerged as a true #1 WR along with the success that I think we saw of Chris Conley in 2017 and the late budding talent of Demarcus Robinson emerging. Add to that what Bert Wilson brought to the table in 2017 and I think that things bode well for the Chiefs and their receiver corp.

 

What I Would Like to See Most? 

On offense, a bruising offensive line that can both protect Patrick Mahomes and bulldoze pathways for running backs. Why? Because I firmly believe that the game is won in trenches and on the offensive side of the ball, it means, for me anyway, something which requires balance between the ground and aerial game.

 

On defense? A similar balance but a defense which can force the opponent to a one dimensional game by taking away the run game one week, or the aerial attack another. A defense which gets it’s takeaways each week. A defense which plays with aggression and tenacity throughout it’s time on the field. Which means one more thing: A defensive Coordinator who can bring it all together and that means, replacing Bob Sutton.

 

Still Begging the Question?

Can all of this, be accomplished and still reach the most important part of any season with a team that can win?

 

David Bell ~ Short-lived in Tejas

*Tyler Bray Believer

 

 

 

 

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  • berttheclock

    Great rundown, David.

    Yes, Foles has moved forward, but, what really showed in the game is how a great defense can propel a team. I still maintain championships are won far more due to the defensive side than the offensive side of the game.

    I was convinced after watching the Chiefs lose in the playoffs last year that they needed to beef up both sides of the line of scrimmage as they lacked the strength to play well against stronger opposing lines. The draft did nothing to address the issue. Now, Logan was brought in to try to replace Poe and, while, he played well at times, he did not possess the strength of Poe and if you really look at his best years in Philly, it had far more to do with playing next to the great Fletcher Cox than anything else. I will give Andy Reid credit for being the one in Philly who went after obtaining Cox by trading up with Seattle. That is the only kudo I will ever give to Mr Reid, who is the one who believes you jump to a lead and then, place your entire offense in a siding and/or the witness protection program. PMII really needs to have a new and younger HC who believes you must always continue to put the pedal to the metal in games and never let up.

    The Titans’ O-line opened holes for Derrick Henry and he ripped the Chiefs. Yet, against the Pats, he was only able to gain 28 yards on 12 carries. Even though the Chiefs won the opener against the Pats, the Pats have improved dramatically while the Chiefs have regressed. Had the Chiefs won against the Titans, they would have not been able to play well against the Pats, let alone moving on to play the Steelers. I want to see Veach or whomever is the GM of the Chiefs bring in strong and tough minded D-9 Caterpillars to move opposing lines backwards. No more of this smaller version of technique type ZBS types. I say the current line of the Chiefs, especially, at OGs does not possess strength. Others say this is a lack of training by Heck as to mind set and technique. Whatever, I still maintain the OGs lack sufficient strength and must be replaced.

    • ladner morse

      Agree… great job David as usual!

      Heck and little-man-Reid (Britt) are problematic… I don’t think either of them is capable of leading or building or coaching up a line like they have in Philly… on O or D. However, I would totally agree that road to a championship in KC must be paved by road graders on both sides of the ball and I don’t think that’ll happen with Sutton as the DC either.

      If Chris Jones comes back strong in ’18, I think he could be moved inside but he’ll need another disruptor equal to his skill set for the DL to take a step forward.

      While Mitchell and Eric may still have some upside, the interior of the Chiefs OL continues to be the weak link. There are a number of good Centers in this draft and Center depth is a big problem as I don’t believe that Zach Fulton will ever develop his feet at this point in his career and while both Witzmann and Ehinger can get out and pull, neither of them is a superior pass protector.

  • berttheclock

    I have been at one Super Bowl. That happened to be the very first one played. I crave to see the Chiefs reach the Super Bowl again and win their 2nd title. That is why I have been so outspoken about not just accepting a win one playoff game on occasion and believing that is far better than going 2-14. Why the hell settle for less than the best? Andy Reid has won many first round games in the playoffs, but, he has only reached the finals one time and he lost. That is the major reason why Taylor Swift did her parody of “You’ll never win it all with Andy”. He is akin to George Karl of the NBA. Win a slew of regular season games, but, fail to go beyond the first round of the playoffs. The Chiefs can do better than that. They Chiefs must do better than that. Never settle for just being a cut above mediocre. Work to become the best of the best.

    • ladner morse
  • berttheclock

    Mark one game next season on your calendar to be sure to watch. The Chiefs will head out to Seattle late in the season to play the Seahawks at Century West. The Seahawks will have a new OC trying to put together a game plan for a team which is really going to have to be rebuilt next year. He happens to be Marty’s son, Brian, who has just been named the new OC of the Seahawks.

  • berttheclock

    It did not take very long for Tom Cable to find a new home. He had been released by Seattle after spending a year trying to mix and match players on his offensive line, while dealing with many injuries. He had to play players out of position as a result. However, Gruden wants him to return to Oakland/Vegas and coach his O-line.

    • ladner morse

      If… if… if… the Chiefs can keep their team on an upward trajectory… then the Chiefs-Raiders rivalry should be at full strength in the next few years. I think Gruden will make them much better… I just don’t know how soon.

      • berttheclock

        I thought Gruden made a mistake in not retaining the DC who had come over from San Diego. Ken Norton, Jr, as you know, has been picked up by the Niners to become a top assistant for their defense. But, his replacement, Pagano, had done a far better job after joining the Raiders. But, Gruden wanted his old buddy and their D might get even better, especially, should McKenzie score more talent in the draft. Plus, they play the FA game.

        • berttheclock

          Just reading a thread at sfgate about Guenther and Gruden. Gruden wants to emulate the defensive strategies used by the Bengals.

  • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

    Good read David.
    I’m still a little surprised we have heard nothing conclusive about Bob Sutton. We own two galactically embarrassing playoff losses to inferior teams, due to defensive meltdowns during his tenure despite there being adequate personnel on the field.
    Say goodbye to Bobby, please Chiefs….and DO let the door hit him in the butt.
    You mentioned the receiving corps…..I’m definitely excited about the prospect of a Mahomes/Hill love fest, although I’m a little worried after that….Conley coming back 100% is never a guarantee with that kind of injury, and Wilson is a free agent, so we don’t even know if he will be back……..the rest are still wet behind the ears. I personally am not real confident in our receiver situation.

    • berttheclock

      My lingering hope as to the Sutton situation is the fact until the Lombardi is presented, the Chiefs could not talk with possible DCs from the advancing teams. So, why cut Sutton loose and not be able to get into talks to replace him? Also, with such as Mike Vrabel still in the running to become a HC, it looks as though he would be out of the picture to come to the Chiefs as a DC. Vrabel had to try to work miracles with the Texans as his top defensive stars were lost to him due to injury.

      • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

        George Edwards maybe?

        • berttheclock

          Great choice!

          • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

            Also…Chuck Pagano who was just recently fired as head coach of the Colts had very good success as the DC of that 2011 Ravens defense.
            There are candidates out there.

          • berttheclock

            John Pagano should be available as Gruden hired Paul Guenther from the Bengals to be his new DC. Pagano spent years with the Chargers. He is only 50.

  • freshmeat62

    When I look at the Chief’s defensive roster, it’s scary, and not in the good way we Chief’s fans want. Jones will be coming off his 2nd consecutive knee injury, Logan and RNR are FA’s, and Bailey is the only returning starting d-lineman of any value.

    DJ and Hali need to retire, Houston is being misused, and , well, the other OLB, whether Ford, Kpass, or Zombo is non existent. Ragland looks like the only other LB of any value.

    The secondary has Mr Jekyll and Hyde, Peters, The often injured Berry, and a bunch of others whose names are hard remember in this era of pass happy offenses.

    Those three paragraphs above are why I disagree strongly w/ Mr. Dillman yesterday when he said we should retain Alex Smith 1 more year. The Chiefs desperately need what draft pick they can get for him to shore up that defense. They can’t afford to have that valuable of an asset sitting on the bench.

    And like bert I want some Cats for my o-line, those w/ treads not little paws. I believe in just flat out strength to dominate the opposing defense. Not the slight of hand trickery Reid tries. I’m tired of seeing the fight in the trenches always on the Chiefs side of the LOS. Just freaking beat the crap out of them! I think a nice rule of thumb would be 35 reps of 225#…minimum.

    As for backup QB, there are half dozen or so veteran QB’s that have starter backgrounds that will be FA this year. I would try and sign one of them as a backup before drafting some low rd kid. I’d much rather see them take a chance of drafting some small school behemoth that has some possibilities.

    And I want ALL NEW COACHES! This bunch is stale, especially Sutton…and Reid… and Heck… and, ah heck all of them! Want some young blood! New ideas!

    • freshmeat62

      Had to do an edit here. I had Houston instead of Hali needing to retire.

      • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

        Haha….I was wondering when I read that.

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      The Browns are the team that could help us the most, I’d be curious to know if Dorsey and Veach are on talking terms.
      That organization desperately needs stability and we need draft picks.

      • berttheclock

        What really helps with the Browns is the fact they have both draft choices to give and they are far under their own salary cap, so, they can absorb more high salaries.

      • freshmeat62

        First off, I wonder if Dorsey is p.o.’ed to the point he wouldn’t do anything w/ the Chiefs?
        2nd, I don’t think ‘renting’ Smith for 1 year would be smart. I imagine they will draft a QB, as Kizer was a failure so far, but do the Browns just want Smith for 1 year to tutor Kizer or whoever they draft? For what I think Smith is worth in a trade, that would be a little expensive I would think. Smith, I imagine, would probably sign w/ someone close to having a SB quality roster.

        • berttheclock

          Reports I have read from the Plain Dealer say Smith would be there for more than one year. But, I still await the OC decision by the powers to be in Buffalo which might tell the type of QB they want as Taylor will, probably, be moving to another team. They had tried to use the WCO and many thought Smith would be perfect for them. This might change. Now, consider the Jags who might just be one QB away from winning and they have an excellent D. I don’t really know who will have the better cat bird’s seat, Smith or Veach.

    • Ron Widman

      Couldnt say it better myself. Although I would keep Reid for 1 more year, not sure why, just dont wont a complete overhaul which would occur if the head coach goes. Hopefully, beihemeny can be “aggresive” enough to drown out Reid for play calling. Definitely, agree AS needs to be traded. If the chiefs wait until after next season he will have no trade value or at least very little and the chiefs need draft picks especially 2nd and 3rd rounds. The one coach that needs to go is Sutton. For me it is just the eyeball test but the defense just doesnt seem to be able to push its will on other teams and just dominate. They do get take a ways but they just dont seem to have the fire in their belly. This is why I would like to see a young, in your face, DC that imposes his will on his players. Unfortunately, I am not savy enough to know who that is but at this point im in favor of anyone. Lastly, I don’t think we need a receiver as the chiefs have plenty IMO. I worry about Conley as it takes about a year to recover so he likely will be IR for maybe 1/2 the season. Deitmer is a wild card and not sure what to expect. Practice squad players sometimes can become stars but few and far between but here’s hoping for sure. Regardless, the chiefs have plenty of horses in t h e stable. I think the draft this next season needs to be HEAVY on defense. As always GO CHIEFS!

  • berttheclock

    I hope everyone, especially, Laddie and David, ares doing better from a health standpoint. Early last week, I went through some MOH’s surgergy for a bit of cancer on my right ear. Now, when asked about the patch on my ear, I just say “You know the old adages of keep your nose to the grindstone and your ear to the ground? Well, for some reason, I made the mistake of twisting them around”. Nurse Ratched, er, Pat, has done well in her new OJT capacity of changing the daily required dressing. They had to leave an open wound which will take two months to properly heal. But, my real point is we all never know which malady may strike out of seemingly nowhere. Now, with the unexpected change of direction of the flu and the fact the serum sent out earlier is not as effective as believed before the spike in the flu, everyone is vulnerable. Stay well, gang, stay well.

    • Heilios

      Good to hear you are on the mend. Your nurse must be a special person.

    • ladner morse

      Please get well asap and give Pat a big thumbs up or hug for taking care of our blogger extraordinaire.

      Just got the flu shot two weeks ago… I suggest everyone else do the same.

    • I have begun taking hand sanitizer in the vehicle where ever i go. I tend to not handle things others have done, wash hands frequently. rest rooms are notoriously unhealthy but so are hospitals. I suggest the sanitizer, use a towel to turn the fawcets off after washing and to open the door. immediately use the sanitizer ASAP. Do not rub face at all. I have not used flu vac. for 2 years. The last two times I used it, got sicker than if I hadn’t. Too, they target flu viruses but miss their mark almost every year. Just don’t feel they are of value , at least to me. I don’t get flu anyway — colds and sinus, infections of same and upper resp. and that is due to working with clients who don’t take care of themselves, don’t have healthy practices. Last year, I was infected 5 times and had to do anti-biots/steroids … of course that tells you where my own exposures to problems lie. stop shaking hands. best way to get sick.

      • oh. books or magazines in Dr.s offices. bad, bad… take your own…

        • Ron Widman

          Hey those People magazines in my emergency room from 1982 arent that bad.

      • berttheclock

        Hospitals can be very dangerous to your health. My mother was a nurse back in the days where they had to scrub their hands multiple times per shift. She felt a major problem developed when so many went to wearing rubber gloves.

  • freshmeat62

    What does anyone know about the scouts Dorsey signed away from the Chiefs? Were they the cream of the crop? I’m sure Dorsey thinks they are pretty good. I don’t know anything about those types of positions.

    • freshmeat62

      Hopefully the Chiefs can reciprocate w/ other teams top scouts bring in some of those, and the knowledge they have of the college players.

    • berttheclock

      Jimmy Noel was the fast rising area scout who became the Pro Scout looking for possible FAs. Matt Donahue was well regarded as a college scout and I know one of the games he attended was the Alamo Bowl game between West Virginia and Oklahoma.

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      Let’s hope it was one of those guys that scouted Ford

      • berttheclock

        Just read an old Bleacher Report as to scouting Ford in college. On the plus side was his ability to pass rush, especially, against slower OTs. Also, he had great hands to use on them. But, the negs were his lack of strength in setting the edge against runs. He had problems getting hung up with blockers and even TE blockers. Also, he had nagging injuries going back to 2011. The report suggested he might not have the necessary health to last an entire season.

        • The truth here is, that the Chiefs are in trouble at OLB. By this time of course, Ford is going to look to collect. For the Chiefs, at least he can start at OLB. For our opponents, the view is to take Ford’s speed, block him outside and keep him there. For the Chiefs, get an electric cattle prod in practice and give him a good jolt if he uses the speed rush twice in a row without trying something else. Health? Certainly fouled the Chiefs collective drawers in 2017.

      • uh. I think Veach would have had a lot of input on that pick–former SE Scout for Philly and multi-role with Chiefs, pro and college.

  • berttheclock

    With many pundits predicting the upcoming draft may only have cream near the top and the 2nd and 3rd tier will be of the adding depth to teams type of draft, look for more teams to go into FAcy. Word out of Green Bay suggests a change in their long standing policy of not dealing very much in bringing in FAs. New regime says they will. Seattle is going to have to lose many players and will need FA to rearm. Oakland/Vegas has said they will go into FAcy. Look for other teams to follow. So, there may well be another type of March Madness developing.

    • berttheclock

      Of course, this will be the usual over payment to the first guys signed by teams.

      • Heilios

        Hey Bert who was the tight end that you were wanting to target last year?

        • ladner morse

          I think it was Adam Shaheen who is now Nagy’s property.

          • berttheclock

            Yes. Plus, keeping Fangino for DC makes the Bears look even a better choice for Nagy. Now, he has a running game and the QB he believes in, plus, a defense to help him.

            Yeah, I know Shaheen didn’t have the same wheels other TEs had in the draft, but, I like his size and his blocking skills. As a receiver, he knows how to get open, especially, against DBs who don’t really respect him as a receiver.

  • berttheclock

    Just read a great column at the Cleveland Plain Dealer about who the Browns should take with their 1st and 4th picks and what they should offer for Alex Smith. Now, the shift by some fans is for Dorsey to take the great RB, Barkley with the 1st pick and an excellent corner with the 4th pick. Move to the 2nd round, where the Browns have the 33rd and 35th pick. The suggestion would be to offer the Chiefs the 35th pick for Smith. Plus, retain Kizer to have him develop under Smith and with the great running ability of Barkley, plus, adding a couple of wide outs later in the draft, Alex would have better talent surrounding him. The main problem I see with Alex Smith going to the Browns would be if Hue Jackson continues to try to call plays. Jackson is even worse than Reid as he is the opposite and wants to go long far too much.

    However, for comic relief, one fan suggested the Browns trade Kevin Hogan and a 5th to the Chiefs for Smith.

    • Heilios

      As the GM of the Chiefs there is a snowballs chance in hell I would trade Smith for only a second round pick. I would do a late first and a 4th or an early second and a future second. The Chiefs bought Smith for 2 second round picks and his stock has only risen since then. We would need a better return on investment than only a second.

      • Brady is 40. Good heavens. Do this mean what I think it do? No. Not about Al Smith. About how old I am and Bert exceeds that a bit and then some. 🙂

    • I really don’t see the point about Hue. I think keeping him is a mistake.

    • Don’t know yet about this but Dorsey brought in Highsmith and Wolf. I like this move and believe it will start off running and the rebuild process will be fluid, meaningful and high speed. Dorsey’s worked with both at the Bay … Wolf was offered a position with Oakland’s McKenzie but went this way.

  • Back to Al Smith. His 2018 contract is $17m. Terry Pluto over at CPDealer writes from the Browns perspective:

    The Chiefs have Smith under contract for 2018 for $17 million. Kansas
    City also has some salary cap problems, another reason Smith could be
    traded.

    Given the Browns have more than $100 million of salary cap room, that’s no barrier for them.

    The question would be what type of draft picks the Chiefs would want in return.

    And Browns fans know, their favorite team has oodles of picks — including three in the second round of 2018.

    WHY SMITH?

    Some things to consider about Smith:

    1. He is the anti-DeShone Kizer. In the last three years covering 46 games, he has thrown 20 interceptions. Kizer threw 21 interceptions in 15 games this season.

    2. Smith has lost six fumbles in the last four years. Kizer lost six fumbles in 15 games this season.

    3. Smith has a 50-26 record in five years with the Chiefs. For his
    career, he is 88-62-1. Is he great? No. Can he win a lot of regular
    season games? Absolutely!

    4. Besides the money, why would the Chiefs deal Smith? He’s had
    problems in the playoffs. He is 1-4 in the postseason. He’s not played
    that poorly: 65 percent completions, nine TDs compared to two
    interceptions in five games. But the Chefs could not make a real Super
    Bowl run.

    5. Smith has become a victim of rising expectations in Kansas City. The
    Chiefs were 2-14 the season before he arrived. He helped turn them into a
    playoff team. But the goal is the Super Bowl, and January has been a
    cruel month for the Chiefs because of the playoffs.

    6. Smith is very durable. He has missed only four games in five years with the Chiefs.

    7. Smith would give the Browns an experienced, smart quarterback who
    is coming off the best season of his 12-year career. The Browns have not
    had a player like him since they returned in 1999.

    8. Turnovers destroyed the Browns in several games last season. Adding Smith would cut them dramatically.

    9. Several teams will be after Smith. Possible places for him include
    Denver, Arizona, the New York Jets and perhaps Jacksonville or Buffalo.

    10. The more you look at Smith and how he fits with the Browns, the more attractive he becomes in an orange helmet.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      This is exactly why I think the Browns/Dorsey would be smart to trade for Smith. He can bring wins to the franchise almost immediately, at least in the regular season. I doubt they can improve to the playoffs the first year but “up” is about the only direction they can go.
      The Browns could still draft a QB plus keep Kizer and let them both develop behind Smith and then have a choice in what direction they wish to go. If both QBs turn out, then they have trade bait.

      • berttheclock

        One QB suggested by fans is the former Heisman winner from Louisville.

        • Not sure that makes sense but if he is leaving the Vikes, then that would be an opportunity to get 2 understudies for Smith — cheap. That may depend though on case k… who will not inspire but who is very steady… now, if the Vikes fall? and I think they will, then that probably re-opens a door for Bridgewater.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          I guess it depends on what kind of offense they want to run. I would probably lean toward Allen or Rudolph myself.

      • I think with 100 million in cap space, and 4 picks in the first 100 players, the Browns can indeed turn it around in 1 season. Post season? Maybe a bit of a reach but look at the division. Very possible.

        • PaulFromNorthMo

          I’m just not sure where all their weaknesses are. Defensive backfield and OL I believe are their biggest needs, other than QB and probably HC.

        • check that. 5 picks in the first 100.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            OK, now you got me curious. According to OTC, the Browns have 12 picks, six in the first two days. Picks 1, 4, 33, 35, 61 and 65.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            Considering pick 65 is the very first pick in round 3, they essentially have 6 picks in the first two rounds.

          • or 7 if you consider round 4… their pick in round 4 is the same relationship to the previous round as thir round 3 pick. Round 4 for the Browns is going to be a good pick.

          • ladner morse

            Yes… and that is just the reason Dorsey singed on with them.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            I can’t blame him for that. Along with the huge amount of cap space, he should be able to turn things around fast up there.

          • ladner morse

            IF…………. the owner will spend.

          • PaulFromNorthMo

            As I recall, the league now demands that a team has to spend 90% of the annual cap space, averaged out over a five year period. I would guess the Browns are behind on that and so Dorsey, in effect, may have to over spend, kinda his specialty.

        • actually, that is essentially 4 first round picks. THen go from there. They have 4 picks in the first 36. like that.

    • Jeff Morton

      Anyone think we could get 2 2nd round picks (back) for him?

      • probably a 2nd and a ? It could be a first. think on how desperate teams are for QB’s that can win. Bring in Al Smith and turn things around in a single season. Sure. I can see it

  • ladner morse

    Don’t know if anyone else is watching this but… I have no problem cheering for the Jags to rip the Steelers on their on turf.

    In fact, I get a warm feeling inside seeing Steelers fans sit in the 16 degrees weather while watching their team get dominated.

    • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

      I would enjoy watching an Eagles versus Jaguars Super Bowl

      • Jeff Morton

        I’d enjoy an anyone but the Patriots SB. If Phi, though, then, what, it’d be another year (4 in a row?) that KC had beaten at least one of the SB contestants earlier in the year?

    • ladner morse

      Yes… but I’d like to see Bortles have a bad game that day…. so the Jags would trade for Smith.

    • berttheclock

      My biggest smile was to see that stunned look in the eye of Tomlin just after the Jags scored to make it 41.

  • berttheclock

    NEWS FLASH: The Jags may not need a new QB!

    • Ron Widman

      Yep, not that bortles drove them down for a winning score but he did keep them in the lead and traded scores to prevent Steelers from making a comeback. Not sure why jags would trade for a qb that may be equal or at times worse.

      • berttheclock

        When your team has a solid defense to stop the run and your offense can run the ball, you can get by with a game manager. Scratch Alex off their wish list.

        • Ron Widman

          Agree 100%.

    • freshmeat62

      Oh no no! We got to keep the vibe going man! Yeah, Jacksonville needs another QB. They gotta have Smith.

      Now watch Coughlin agree and trade for his old QB, Eli!

  • berttheclock

    Two other things I really liked about the loss of the Steelers. First, Big Ben both started and finished the game and he had his moments. So, no more excuses about his getting injured which would have hurt the Steelers. The second thing is how dumb Tomlin was to call for the onside kick.

    • berttheclock

      The Steelers are a dirty football team, so, perhaps, it was karma to see the Steelers top wide out getting mugged to stop a drive late in the game and no flag was thrown.

    • freshmeat62

      I was ready to blame the loss on Haley for those 2 4th and half yard calls that they missed on, but on the other hand he did call for those 2 long TD throws. I guess it balances. Still think he should have done QB sneaks on those plays.

  • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

    Aaaaaand the gunslinger goes home…….well…bye.

  • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

    If Rothlisberger’s 469 yard 5 TD day (and still lost) day doesn’t convince you that championships are won by defense……..

    • berttheclock

      Plus, look at Blake Bortles having a game manager day as in being 14 of 26, 8.2 average, one TD, no INT and a rating of 94.1. However, the Jags ran the ball for 164 yards while holding the Steelers to only 83 yards. Therefore, Big Ben had to throw 58 passes and while he racked up a great deal of yards and had 5 TDs, he, also, threw a costly pick.

    • PaulFromNorthMo

      Jacksonville with the #2 defense and Pittsburgh with the #5 D for the reg season. With 87 points put on the board, it looks like the offenses stole the show today.

      • Chiefs-Kings-A’s

        That’s true.
        Ultimately it was the better defense that beat the better offense though.

  • berttheclock

    The Bills have a new OC. He is Brian Daboll, who has just left Alabama for Buffalo. He has been in the NFL before and, in 2012, he was the OC of the Chiefs.

  • Tazmosis

    Al Smith? Bert Wilson? How ’bout Tommy Brady, or Lil’ Benny Roethlesburg?

  • that catch right there by Thielen, who knows. great catch. Miracle completion from Case K, throwing off the back foot. Shesh. Saints stopped them and vikes go up by 2 over saints, 23-21. About 1:30 left. Now this game has not been exciting. a lot of trading punches back and forth but it is coming down to drew Breeze, a kick return and about 1:30 left. It will be brought out to the 25.

    • all this, after trailing Vikings 17-0 at the half.

    • and down to the 30, stalled, FG, Saints up, 24-23 with 25 tics left.

    • and then, with 10 ticks left, pass from Keenum to Diggs. Saints safety sloppy, un-professional non-tackle which took the corner-back out. Diggs keeps his feet, stays in bounds and scores uncontested down the sideline. No, or maybe 1 second or 2 left on the clock after this play which scores. 61 yard play with a ground extra point thy did not even attempt. Keeenum takes a knee for the win. Good grief. Diggs made some history for himself with a very good catch and run for yac and TD. Keenum led the vikes from behind to win though they were basically held in chck for all of the second half. 2 FG’S. Bang. A single play and it wins.

      • Saints had this game won. They make a tackle on Diggs in bounds and it’s over. No way to stop the clock. Neither team had a time out. The safety for the saints did a blind body type tackl that totally missed and then his body took out the trailing CB. Total blow up. The Safety makes a good tackle instead of diving and closing his eyes, gets the stop if it’s a good hard clean tackle. Heck. He might hav jarred the ball loose. I would think hard about keeping that DB around. It cost the Saints the game.

        Sure. there’s a chance that DIggs could have still gotten out of bounds and the VIkes then could kick a FG for the win. Still. A tackle that’s hard on a lightweight WR?

        Breez had 3 second half aerial TDs. Thn the FG to take the lead. And the game blows up on them. Gotta say, mayb there is something that is setting up the VIkes and Keenum, eh? Saying to myself, I can’t believe it.

  • jimfromkcj

    Many know I am a 43 defence guy and the four teams left all run a 43. Their defensive ranking is Vikes #1, Jags #2, Eagles #4 and Pats #28th. I think that validates the 43 as the best as of now. Another thing I would like to see is to go to a power blocking off Line. I feel like when all an offensive lineman has to think about is beating the man across from him that it is better than when zone blocking he has to think about how he is going to move to get the block right. In other words zone blocking is like a dancing minuet. Too many parts having to move in harmony and if one breaks down the play doesn’t work. As far a the Browns wasting a pick or two for Smith, and giving up on Kizer, it would be foolish. They should trade some of the picks for future years if they don’t find the player worthy of the pick. They screwed the pootch letting Swartz get away from them and they should build up their receiving corps and defensive secondary. Hue should find a QB coach that could mentor Kizer. It is plain to see that when your QB is your top running back for half your games you have a problem that must be addressed.

    • Jeff Morton

      I think Cle needs a vet in front of Kizer from whom he can learn. They’re probably a couple of years from being competitive, though, so it seems like they could get that guy for less than Smith should command.

      As for the 4-3 and the power blocking, I don’t know but at least that tries to address our two biggest issues, line play. I’m all for giving something new a try (and drafting line, especially OL, as high as we can).

  • Jeff Morton

    Heck and Sutton still employed. Argh.

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    Seeing the Min-NO finish makes me think that KC had taken the lead with the returned 2-pt. But then not. Sigh.

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